Aller au contenu

Photo

Sister Nightingale: Leliana in DA:I Appreciation&Discussion (Nope, still not romanceable)


15913 réponses à ce sujet

#9651
Fiery Phoenix

Fiery Phoenix
  • Members
  • 18 970 messages

It was also common for Viking raiders to kidnap women and have babies with them. It's apparently how red  hair first appeared. One theory has it that women were not always 'kidnapped' so much as 'left with the raiders' because poverty in England at the time was particularly bad.

Interesting. I know for a fact that red hair is most common in parts of the UK (Scotland and Ireland, in particular) as well as Norway (to a lesser extent). There definitely appears to be a correlation in favor of that theory.



#9652
Basement Cat

Basement Cat
  • Members
  • 9 642 messages

Interesting. I know for a fact that red hair is most common in parts of the UK (Scotland and Ireland, in particular) as well as Norway. There definitely appears to be a correlation in favor of that theory.

It would also explain why red heads have a reputation for 'lively' tempers. It's that Viking blood. :D

 

To get back to Leliana, it marks her Ferelden heritage. She looks Ferelden but she sounds Orlesian. She's fond of fancy clothes, especially shoes, but she's also fond of animals. Fond as in she goes all gooey with them and plays with them. A 'proper' Orlesian would just worry about looks/pedigree and stuff like that. Leliana goes all baby talk with Dog, Schmooples and her ravens.

 

I would have loved to see a scene with Cassandra and Leliana with the messenger birds or the horses. Cassandra doesn't seem fond of animals. They are such a complete contrast, it's hilarious. :D



#9653
dogstar12

dogstar12
  • Members
  • 152 messages

so about this but I have heard that if Leliana becomes the Divine she can still have a romance with Her Warden. True or not



#9654
Fiery Phoenix

Fiery Phoenix
  • Members
  • 18 970 messages

so about this but I have heard that if Leliana becomes the Divine she can still have a romance with Her Warden. True or not

The idea I've seen floating around suggests that, as Divine, Leliana has full control over the game and can change the celibacy rules and stuff. Whether or not this was actually acknowledged in-game, I don't remember.



#9655
Basement Cat

Basement Cat
  • Members
  • 9 642 messages

Sheryl Chee said that Leliana would change the rules so she could be with the Warden. There is nothing in the game that gives this information.


  • ThePhoenixKing aime ceci

#9656
mrcrazyman

mrcrazyman
  • Members
  • 215 messages

so about this but I have heard that if Leliana becomes the Divine she can still have a romance with Her Warden. True or not

 

Not in game but asked/answered via twitter

 

http://www.reddit.co...ance_at_end_of/

 

https://twitter.com/...233470132248576

 

Translates to

 

User: "If Leliana becomes Divine, and romanced by Warden, does she break it off, or is the HoF the "dirty little secret"

 

Patrick Weekes "assumption: secret at first, then open secret, then change to rules for Divine. She favors changing the rules"

 

Sheyrl Chee "Oh yeah, what he said."


  • Fiery Phoenix et Basement Cat aiment ceci

#9657
Fiery Phoenix

Fiery Phoenix
  • Members
  • 18 970 messages

Sheryl Chee said that Leliana would change the rules so she could be with the Warden. There is nothing in the game that gives this information.

Was it on Twitter? I haven't been following their media channels that much since the game's launch.

 

EDIT: Never mind. Just read the post above!


Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 29 janvier 2015 - 06:34 .


#9658
I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE

I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE
  • Members
  • 17 348 messages
I think they completely forgot the Warden existed in the last hours of the game, tbh. Have to confirm this stuff that they had to know people would be wondering with tweets.

All of Europe has castles, so if you take that as a criteria, all of Europe is the same. :P


Yeah, travelling around Europe is basically a lesson in your ABCs. Another Bloody Church, Another Bloody Castle. :P
  • Basement Cat et AWTEW aiment ceci

#9659
Aimi

Aimi
  • Members
  • 4 616 messages

Ferelden is somewhere between a historical Rome and England/Scotland to me, though much more of the latter.

 
All Thedosian countries deliberately take elements from multiple European analogues. Ferelden has stuff in common with both Anglo-Saxon England and Scotland, and even with Merovingian Francia.
 

As an Asian, I'm pretty much blind to the specifics. I always thought England and Scandinavia have the same things: castles, chainmail warriors, some elite kilt wearing troops exclusive for one part of the place and deadly longbowmen. I'm quite ignorant on the matter. :unsure:

 
That's not really all that wrong, except for the soldiers bit.

See, England, Scotland, Norway, and Denmark all border on the North Sea. For most of human history, trade and travel are easier by water than by land. The North Sea therefore created a sort of unified cultural-economic zone tying all of those regions together: it shows up in archaeology, with many similar artifacts appearing on the various shores of the sea at the same times. The Romans used the North Sea to transport grain from fertile Britannia to their armies on the Rhine River. Scandinavian traders and warriors plied the North Sea, connecting all of the lands around it, whether by commerce or by mutual fear and loathing of the 'viking' phenomenon. Later, Scandinavians even colonized parts of England, Scotland, and Ireland, and the Scandinavian king Knut the Great held the throne of England in addition to those of Denmark and Norway. The connections even showed up in literature: one of the earliest great works of Old English, the epic poem Beowulf, is set in Scandinavia, and the Beowulf audience was clearly assumed to have familiarity with the way Scandinavian politics and war worked.

On the other hand, though, the kilts and longbows and stuff aren't common to all of those countries. :P Kilts and other tartan-patterned wool garments are mostly associated with the Scottish Highlands; they're also a fairly modern invention, only about five hundred years old. Longbows have been used worldwide at various times but people generally associate them with Welsh and English military units in the late medieval era, often referring to the 'Welsh longbow' or the 'English longbow'.
 

Well, Scandinavia used to be a region of three kingdoms that were known collectively as the Scandinavian Peninsula. If I remember correctly, immigration between the three kingdoms and the British Isles (today's UK) was not uncommon and had continued for over a millennium, so there is a number of cultural similarities that remain today as a result.

 
Yeah, although Denmark's actually not on the Scandinavian Peninsula, while Finland - not a Scandinavian country, but a 'Nordic' one - is.

Usually, 'Scandinavia' refers to the three countries that speak Scandinavian languages: Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. Sweden also used to control Finland, which does not speak a Scandinavian language (although there used to be a lot of Swedish-speakers there). The two kingdoms of Sweden-Finland and Denmark-Norway were united in the personal Union of Kalmar from 1397 to 1523 until Sweden(-Finland) rebelled, creating its own independent monarchy once again. In 1809, Sweden lost Finland to Russia as part of the Napoleonic Wars, but backed the Allies of the Sixth Coalition and gained Norway from Denmark in 1814. Sweden-Norway lasted until 1905 when Norway was granted its independence. Finland didn't gain independence from Russia until the Revolution, in 1917-1918.
 

It was also common for Viking raiders to kidnap women and have babies with them. It's apparently how red  hair first appeared. One theory has it that women were not always 'kidnapped' so much as 'left with the raiders' because poverty in England at the time was particularly bad.


Feh.

People talk about the viking raiders as being the primary mode of contact between Scandinavian societies and British ones, when that's extremely silly. There were never very many people who would go off to raid; sex undoubtedly happened, both consensual and nonconsensual, but to suggest that any genetic footprint made was the result of such couplings is implausible. There were lots of other reasons for people from Scandinavia to go to Britain: as traders, as hired muscle for local rulers, to escape from political turmoil in their native land, and suchlike things.

And red hair long predates vikings. Red hair is older than recorded history. The Tocharians of Central Asia and the Tarim Basin were known for their red hair to the Greeks and Romans; Tocharian mummies from a millennium before Alexander have been identified as redheads, including the so-called Beauty of Xiaohe. Avgvstvs probably had red hair. Polynesian tribespeople have had red hair since before contact with Europeans. Attributing red hair to vikings is folk genetics.
  • Fiery Phoenix, Todrazok, ThePhoenixKing et 3 autres aiment ceci

#9660
introverted_assassin

introverted_assassin
  • Members
  • 2 230 messages

Nah, Leliana was transported into the future and became the protagonist of Saint's Row 4.

Well, hardened Leliana, anyway.


*squints*.....go on. I'm listening.
  • Aimi aime ceci

#9661
introverted_assassin

introverted_assassin
  • Members
  • 2 230 messages
she could also wreck shop with my avatar in Assassin's Creed: Liberation. i mean...that seems logical. hmm...Leli in New Orleans...hmm.

#9662
Basement Cat

Basement Cat
  • Members
  • 9 642 messages

Lels would be great in many games.

 

I know this guy wanted her in Fallout : New Vegas

 

 

leliana_in_fallout_nv_by_guyver89-d36je3



#9663
Fiery Phoenix

Fiery Phoenix
  • Members
  • 18 970 messages

Fascinating comment, Eirene. +1 to you! :D



#9664
PsychoticFox

PsychoticFox
  • Members
  • 199 messages

I like to think that my Warden ended up in Skyrim looking for the cure to the taint/calling. To the point that I re-made her in Skyrim and she has become my favorite character to play in that game (even winning out over my khajiit). >.>

 

And if Leliana could join her there after the events of Inquisition, that would be awesome. Leliana would definitely miss Orlesian fashion though, lol.

 

As for Leliana in Saints Row... I kinda want to that now. XD Since I've already done it my Warden (whom I will put in anything for my amusement).


  • AWTEW aime ceci

#9665
Todrazok

Todrazok
  • Members
  • 551 messages

Fascinating comment, Eirene. +1 to you! :D

Seconded! :D



#9666
dsl08002

dsl08002
  • Members
  • 1 779 messages

Was it on Twitter? I haven't been following their media channels that much since the game's launch.
 
EDIT: Never mind. Just read the post above!


But right now that is only words from bioware, it has to be clear and present in the actuall game.

Otherwise its just an empty statement.

#9667
dsl08002

dsl08002
  • Members
  • 1 779 messages

I think they completely forgot the Warden existed in the last hours of the game, tbh. Have to confirm this stuff that they had to know people would be wondering with tweets.

Yeah, travelling around Europe is basically a lesson in your ABCs. Another Bloody Church, Another Bloody Castle. :P


But it has to be presented in game, otherwise its an empty statement.

#9668
ZerioctheTank

ZerioctheTank
  • Members
  • 884 messages
At first when Leliana was eager to become divine while in a romance with a warden I was shocked but now after thinking about it I can see a different side of things. This is a higher calling, a chance for her to change things, to potentially do things right (this interpretation varies from player to player). Being in a relationship with the warden does make things difficult but this is a strength for her. With the love of the warden she feels that she can do anything (she said something similar to that). While I'm still iffy on her being divine I'm now no longer on the hell no side of the field. My warden loved a hardened Leliana that did what she had to do to get things done in origins. So I don't see any reason why he wouldn't fully support her while she is Divine.

Granted everyone's opinions are different but I figured I would state mine.
  • ThePhoenixKing aime ceci

#9669
disgustednoise

disgustednoise
  • Members
  • 2 messages

Sorry if this is off topic (I haven't really been on the forums before) but does anyone else think of Leliana when they hear Hozier's Take Me To Church?? Haha I feel like it's especially fitting for a Divine Leliana/Warden scenario...



#9670
I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE

I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE
  • Members
  • 17 348 messages

My Warden wouldn't like her becoming Divine, that's for sure. She'd support what she's doing, especially regarding elves, but she'd also be extremely heartbroken about it. All she wanted in life was for things to be somewhat normal again like they were for the few years after the Blight, to be truly happy for a little while...but I see being shoved in the closet, only being able to be with Leliana behind closed doors, and then being hounded at every turn by the scandal of it all when it goes public, to be anything but a happy existence for either of them. She'd stay with her to help her shoulder the whole Divine burden, but probably to the great detriment of her happiness. And Leliana's.

 

It'd be made even worse by the fact that she would have just returned from years of grueling searching for a cure, only to return and find they're probably never going to be as happy as they were before ever again. That's a kick to the head.

 

Yeah...I'm still in the 'No to Leliana being Divine' club. Still really not fond of the complete lack of reservation she has on the idea.

 

I like to think that my Warden ended up in Skyrim looking for the cure to the taint/calling. To the point that I re-made her in Skyrim and she has become my favorite character to play in that game (even winning out over my khajiit). >.>

 

And if Leliana could join her there after the events of Inquisition, that would be awesome. Leliana would definitely miss Orlesian fashion though, lol.

 

You folks have inspired me. 

 

Spoiler

 

Obsessed? Bah! What ever would give anyone that preposterous idea.  :ph34r:


  • Aimi et Basement Cat aiment ceci

#9671
GrinningRogue

GrinningRogue
  • Members
  • 278 messages

They will find that the dragons are a breeze to beat. I mean compare them with Flemeth, right? and Andraste? Wade will be very happy.



#9672
Han Shot First

Han Shot First
  • Members
  • 21 213 messages

It was also common for Viking raiders to kidnap women and have babies with them. It's apparently how red  hair first appeared. One theory has it that women were not always 'kidnapped' so much as 'left with the raiders' because poverty in England at the time was particularly bad.

 

I think that one is a myth. Red hair was likely always present in the UK and Scandinavia. The Roman writer Tacitus for example described the Caledonians (ancient inhabitants of what is now Scotland) as red-haired. He gives a similar description for the Germanic tribesmen. In both cases these descriptions are racial stereotypes and it is probable that the people he is describing weren't all red-haired, but it does indicate that red hair was fairly common throughout Northern Europe in antiquity.


  • Aimi aime ceci

#9673
I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE

I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE
  • Members
  • 17 348 messages

They will find that the dragons are a breeze to beat. I mean compare them with Flemeth, right? and Andraste? Wade will be very happy.

 

Not for me, I have Deadly Dragons and a bunch of other combat-related mods installed. Dragons are actually more than a nuisance now. 

 

And Warden has no ballistas to use, either.  :o



#9674
wright1978

wright1978
  • Members
  • 8 116 messages

At first when Leliana was eager to become divine while in a romance with a warden I was shocked but now after thinking about it I can see a different side of things. This is a higher calling, a chance for her to change things, to potentially do things right (this interpretation varies from player to player). Being in a relationship with the warden does make things difficult but this is a strength for her. With the love of the warden she feels that she can do anything (she said something similar to that). While I'm still iffy on her being divine I'm now no longer on the hell no side of the field. My warden loved a hardened Leliana that did what she had to do to get things done in origins. So I don't see any reason why he wouldn't fully support her while she is Divine.

Granted everyone's opinions are different but I figured I would state mine.

 

Well my main Warden became king consort to steady the Ferelden ship and his Leliana stuck by him. So he could hardly complain regarding her taking a equally powerful job and it's not going to stop them from making it work. I very much see him in the shadows pitching in to help her out and comfort her, whilst trying to juggle the Ferelden responsibilities he's got.

 

Even the other Warden's i've got who have more of an adventurer spirit, i see being willing to stand by her side and help her succeed as Divine as they are aware just how important a job it is and believe passionately that she is the best and likely only person who will able to make the necessary reforms.


  • ZerioctheTank aime ceci

#9675
Basement Cat

Basement Cat
  • Members
  • 9 642 messages

They will find that the dragons are a breeze to beat. I mean compare them with Flemeth, right? and Andraste? Wade will be very happy.

If the dragons in Skyrim actually used the vast arsenal of shouts, they would be a much bigger threat. Turn invisible? The dragon uses Aura Whisper.

Call Storm? The dragon uses Clear SKies. Use Elemental Fury? The dragon uses Slow Time, etc.

 

Missed opportunities and all that.


  • GrinningRogue aime ceci