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[Han Shot First]

The more tragedy, the beter.

 

That's kind of why I preferred the Wardens not being able to avoid the Calling. It might be tragic as hell, particularly with Leliana left behind, but I was rather fond of my pre-DAI head canon about the Warden going out like a Viking at Ragnarok in the Deep Roads.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Leliana is Corypheus' dark mirror, Schmooples is not-Archdemon's 'dark mirror.'

Oh lawd.

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One of my favorite moments of the game. I got a little emotional here, especially after Josie's hug.

I wish someone had given my Quizzy a hug. She romanced Solas. ;_;

Was all LELIANA JOSEPHINE CULLEN VARRIC SOMEBODY HOLD MEEEEEE

[Wulfram]

Leliana is Corypheus' dark mirror, Schmooples is not-Archdemon's 'dark mirror.'

Oh lawd.

As long as there are nugs, Leliana cannot die?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

That's kind of why I preferred the Wardens not being able to avoid the Calling. It might be tragic as hell, particularly with Leliana left behind, but I was rather fond of my pre-DAI head canon about the Warden going out like a Viking at Ragnarok in the Deep Roads.

Well, that's assuming the Warden's Calling cure goes off without a hitch. I mean, we don't really know.

I hope it does, personally. My Warden and Leliana deserve some happiness by now. ;_;

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

As long as there are nugs, Leliana cannot die?

The source of her power revealed!

Pssst, don't tell the meanie faces who tried to kill her, they can't know.

[Todrazok]

Maker's breath people, happy thoughts!  What'd you all reckon Schmooples the second is up to these days? 

[LadyStoneheart]

Leliana is Corypheus' dark mirror, Schmooples is not-Archdemon's 'dark mirror.'

Oh lawd.

 

Quite literally, considering that nugs are immune to the Blight. I wonder if the Warden ever studied them before heading West to look for the cure

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Schmooples the First is actually alive and well, the Warden's experiments on the Blight just transformed him into a Nuggalope, and after personally wrangling Boulette for Leliana as an apology for depriving her of her first nug, the Warden tore off on Schmooples-back into the west.

...what.

[Basement Cat]

Maker's breath people, happy thoughts!  What'd you all reckon Schmooples the second is up to these days? 

According to that letter on Leliana's desk, he's trying to break into the pantry because he doesn't like his food. Takes after his mommy, he does. 

[Aimi]

Nug science is the way of the future in Thedas. As usual, dwarves are ahead of the curve.
 

I doubt she personally called her in, it's implied that she's already in the castle when Alexius uses the amulet against us, and gets captured along with Fiona and our companions after we disappear. It's actually why I kept thinking that maybe the Warden was still alive somewhere, that they were just too far away to hear Corypheus' Calling, find out what was happening and get to Redcliffe within a year. But the Venatori who are torturing Leliana right before we enter her cell do tell her "There's no one left for you to protect", so...

 
Yeah, the problem with that is that that part of the story makes absolutely no sense.

When the Herald and Dorian get whisked away, that changes very little in the present. Either way, two companions, Leliana, and a bunch of Inquisition agents have got Alexius and Felix cornered, and all of their Venatori are dead, and Felix isn't on Alexius' side anyway. Frankly, I'm shocked that Alexius survives that fight. The real issue is that the Herald isn't there anymore, so the Herald can't close rifts or the Breach, which means that Corypheus and his templar army should steamroll all opposition. That's why the Dark Future occurs - it's not because the Herald's mission to Redcliffe fails, because it's kind of ridiculous that it might. Bizarrely, this actually comes up in the mission, with Companion B's talk of an assassinated empress and the (Wardens') demon army being the key things.

Which is why, to make that work, I headcanon that the Inquisition finishes off the Venatori and puts what's left of them and the mages under lock and key while Lels calls for backup, then there's a big fight with Corypheus, then 'that thing that I talked about' happens, then Corypheus wins and imprisons people in Redcliffe Castle while freeing Alexius and his goons who get carte blanche to take any mage 'volunteers'. It can't account for everything in the game (like Sera's allusions to a fight after the Herald and Dorian vanish, or the fact that the only prisoners are your two companions plus Lels and Fiona i.e. the people that were there the first time), but nothing satisfactorily accounts for everything in the game. The time travel plotline has some problems.

For what it's worth, I prefer "Champions of the Just" as a mission; it doesn't introduce any of the time travel, it gives us Ser Barris the Badass, it gives Cole a much more interesting introduction than otherwise, and the Fade sequence with Envy feel (for lack of a better phrase) like "Dragon Age". And it doesn't have mai waifu getting horribly disfigured and tortured and widowed.
 

That's kind of why I preferred the Wardens not being able to avoid the Calling. It might be tragic as hell, particularly with Leliana left behind, but I was rather fond of my pre-DAI head canon about the Warden going out like a Viking at Ragnarok in the Deep Roads.

The Calling + female Wardens is the stupidest most disgusting thing. "lol hai darkspawn want some moar broodmothers? MERRY WINTERSEND"

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

The Calling + female Wardens is the stupidest most disgusting thing. "lol hai darkspawn want some moar broodmothers? MERRY WINTERSEND"

 

Urgh, this bothers me like you wouldn't believe. You'd think female Wardens would just be expected to commit sudoku seppuku or something. But newp. 

 

Glad my Warden might be rid of that once and for all. 

[AresKeith]

Urgh, this bothers me like you wouldn't believe. You'd think female Wardens would just be expected to commit sudoku seppuku or something. But newp. 

 

They would if they force the Darkspawn to kill them

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It's all a misunderstanding.

 

 

Female wardens are just hearing the call of a Three Dog Night concert.

[Nightingale]

Urgh, this bothers me like you wouldn't believe. You'd think female Wardens would just be expected to commit sudoku seppuku or something. But newp. 

 

Glad my Warden might be rid of that. 

 

That's why I'd be okay with an actual cure, though I always headcanoned that my Warden would bring poison for herself for if/when she got overwhelmed by darkspawn. Also why I was okay with US - better to die saving the world as herself, knowing her friends/family/lover were safe (and not having to deal with the consequences of OGB) than to become a Broodmother, alone in the Deep Roads.

 

And then Leliana had a vision from the Maker about seeing her love again and disappeared and my Warden instantly regretted her actions.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I did the ultimate sacrifice with my canon Warden at one point, accepted it as my canon for about a month or two, but then it broke my heart too much thinking about it and I had to go back and resurrect her. 

 

Glad I did, hearing Leliana reflecting on her if it was still a thing in my canon playthrough probably would have caused me to melt into a puddle of sad. ;_;

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I did the ultimate sacrifice with my canon Warden at one point, accepted it as my canon for about a month or two, but then it broke my heart too much thinking about it and I had to go back and resurrect her. 

 

Glad I did, hearing Leliana reflecting on her if it was still a thing in my canon playthrough probably would have caused me to melt into a puddle of sad. ;_;

 

Didn't the DA:O slider for a dead warden that romanced Leliana imply that she decided to commit suicide after having a dream of the warden?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Didn't the DA:O slider for a dead warden that romanced Leliana imply that she decided to commit suicide after having a dream of the warden?

 

The unhardened version, yeah. Well, it wasn't implicit but it was what many people interpreted from it. 

 

It was the one I got, and what convinced me to go back and keep my Warden alive. Cause nope nope nope nope.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

All the dead warden sliders were so bitter and sad. Leliana's suggested suicide and Alistair's slide if he remained a warden were those that hit the hardest though.

[mrcrazyman]

Didn't the DA:O slider for a dead warden that romanced Leliana imply that she decided to commit suicide after having a dream of the warden?

 

 

The unhardened version, yeah. Well, it wasn't implicit but it was what many people interpreted from it. 

 

 

Interpret as you will:

 

"Leliana remained in the royal court for a time, mourning. She poured her heart into a ballad that would eventually become known throughout Thedas. But after one performance, Leliana quietly vanished. Some say that the Maker came to her in a vision again that night. Smiling, tears in her eyes, she told a maid that she would see her love again at last."

[Nightingale]

Yeah, I got the unhardened one too and that's the one I decided to make my canon. Because I'm a horrible person. And I like to cry. Apparently.

 

I did the ultimate sacrifice with my canon Warden at one point, accepted it as my canon for about a month or two, but then it broke my heart too much thinking about it and I had to go back and resurrect her. 

 

Glad I did, hearing Leliana reflecting on her if it was still a thing in my canon playthrough probably would have caused me to melt into a puddle of sad. ;_;

 

Pretty much every time I got emotional in DAI, was when she talked about my dead romanced Warden. It's definitely a lot darker. The first time you ask, she says that despite everything, she was happiest with the Warden and she genuinely sounds happy and then says something to the affect of "and then she...I'm sorry. I can't talk about this." and then she shoos you away and nope, pretty sure this is no longer my canon

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

All the dead warden sliders were so bitter and sad. Leliana's suggested suicide and Alistair warden slide were those that hit the hardest though.

 

Not gonna lie, I actually thought Sten's was one of the bigger gut-punches, if your Warden had his respect. 

 

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"Sten bowed once before the Warden's remains, and then left without a word. His honor had been restored, and when fellow Qunari asked if there were worthy people outside of Par Vollen, Sten answered that in all his travels he had only met a single one."

 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Pretty much every time I got emotional in DAI, was when she talked about my dead romanced Warden. It's definitely a lot darker. The first time you ask, she says that despite everything, she was happiest with the Warden and she genuinely sounds happy and then says something to the affect of "and then she...I'm sorry. I can't talk about this." and then she shoos you away and nope, pretty sure this is no longer my canon

 

Yeah, I imported a dead Warden/Leliana romance save after finishing my canon run, and that's about as far as I got before I couldn't go on. Looked up all the references later, but I was too weak to deal with it for my Warden. :S

 

It adds a whole new perspective on her role as Left Hand, though. I think the epilogues might have been true to an extent, but rather than suicide she just disappeared. She says in Valence that she sought out Justinia for her wisdom after the Warden died, so it almost seems like she was...looking for a purpose again. It's really heartbreaking to think of her completely broken and lost, showing up at Dorothea's doorstep again as a complete mess just like she had when she met her in the first place, after Marjolaine.  

[Wulfram]

I don't really like the Calling being cured, but I'm even less keen on the reason for the Warden being absent for the events of DA:I being nothing but a wild goose chase. It's already a rather weak excuse for the Warden not being there for Leliana, it had better at least have been based on solid intel.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Not gonna lie, I actually thought Sten's was one of the bigger gut-punches, if your Warden had his respect. 

 

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"Sten bowed once before the Warden's remains, and then left without a word. His honor had been restored, and when fellow Qunari asked if there were worthy people outside of Par Vollen, Sten answered that in all his travels he had only met a single one."

 

 

They all hit hard, but for me, Alistair's slide just hits me hard for some reason. Especially the friendship version.

 

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“Alistair returned to the Grey Wardens for a time, insisting that new recruits pay respect to [The Warden's] sacrifice and campaigning to relax some of the order's more secretive policies. But in time, he left the Wardens once more, declaring that it simply no longer felt right.”

 

“He traveled to Duncan's birthplace, and there placed a small monument in the man's memory. Where he went afterwards is unknown.”

 

I guess it has something to do with the idea of Alistair, someone who clearly idiolized the warden's and had a great friend in the HoF, is in the end left so jaded and broken that in the end, he just leaves for parts unknown.

[Nightingale]

Yeah, I imported a dead Warden/Leliana romance save after finishing my canon run, and that's about as far as I got before I couldn't go on. Looked up all the references later, but I was too weak to deal with it for my Warden. :S

 

I was glad to have stuck with it, since my first playthrough usually ends up being my canon and at some point it was like "nope, I'm done playing the hero after seeing what my Warden's sacrifice did to the bae, time to start making selfish decisions." Of course, that ended up with Alistair being left behind, Morrigan being basically enslaved by the woman she's been trying to escape for the better part of a decade, and me spending way longer than necessary ensuring Cass become Divine so Leliana could get the rest she deserves...

 

 

It adds a whole new perspective on her role as Left Hand, though. I think the epilogues might have been true to an extent, but rather than suicide she just disappeared. She says in Valence that she sought out Justinia for her wisdom after the Warden died, so it almost seems like she was...looking for a purpose again. It's really heartbreaking to think of her completely broken and lost, showing up at Justinia's doorstep again just like she had when she met her in the first place, after Marjolaine.  

 

I thought the same thing, though I hadn't thought of it like that; Justinia seeing her at her lowest twice and helping her find purpose again both times. Makes it a bit harder to resent her for what she put Leliana through as Left Hand. It also makes it that much worse that the one person Leliana could always turn to died at the Conclave. Thanks for that