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Sister Nightingale: Leliana in DA:I Appreciation&Discussion (Nope, still not romanceable)


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I also like it that we know for a fact now that Justinia actually met the Warden, from the living Warden version of the Valence scene. Thus, she knew about their relationship with Leliana, and knew what she was probably driving a wall between. Adds even more weight to Justinia regretting what she did to Leliana. 

 

Living or dead, I think a romanced Warden fits into the story fairly nicely. I don't really agree with the thought that a dead Warden is much more relevant to her character arc. With a living Warden, she expresses some serious regret that she pretty much had to sacrifice her happiness with her to serve as Left Hand, and Justinia knew it too. And now the Warden is off who knows where, for years now, while she's unable to join her. On borrowed time, to boot.

 

Maker I hope that Calling cure goes well so things can go back to the way they were for them, seriously. Bah.   :(


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I also like it that we know for a fact now that Justinia actually met the Warden, from the living Warden version of the Valence scene. Thus, she knew about their relationship with Leliana, and knew what she was probably driving a wall between. Adds even more weight to Justinia regretting what she did to Leliana. 

 

Living or dead, I think a romanced Warden fits into the story fairly nicely. I don't really agree with the thought that a dead Warden is much more relevant to her character arc. With a living Warden, she expresses some serious regret that she pretty much had to sacrifice her happiness with her to serve as Left Hand, and Justinia knew it too. And now the Warden is off who knows where, for years now, while she's unable to join her. On borrowed time, to boot.

 

Maker I hope that Calling cure goes well so things can go back to the way they were for them, seriously. Bah.   :(

 

Oh, I certainly don't think one or the other is more relevant, as a romanced Warden plays a huge part in it regardless. You make a great point about Justinia, especially if the Warden doesn't particularly...agree, with her. I know my Warden wouldn't be happy about some of the things Justinia has Leliana doing, even if she supports Leliana no matter what.

 

I think what makes it worse is, Leliana leads what may be the largest spy network Thedas has ever known, and yet she can't help. I don't want to think about the Warden returning without having found anything useful :unsure:



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What all changes with a dead Warden import?

I only saw a video of the first convo with Leliana...I wasn't sure if that was it or not.

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What all changes with a dead Warden import?

I only saw a video of the first convo with Leliana...I wasn't sure if that was it or not.

 

My mind must be going, I don't remember it all. Pretty much any time she talks about the Warden (I'd assume it's more if you're in a romance but idk, I've never not romanced her) it'll be different for a dead Warden than a living Warden. The line in Valence, the first conversation, asking about her again later in Skyhold, various mentions throughout, etc. The biggest difference is that there's no Contact the Hero of Ferelden mission, so that conversation is completely out, as far as I can remember. The codex entry is also different, of course.

 

Unless you meant in general? It's pretty much the same as above. Any mentions of the Hero change to reflect the sacrifice (Alistair's bitterness, Morrigan's regret, etc.) and it just continues as it normally would. But sadder.

 

Amusingly, Cullen asking for details from Leliana around the War Table about a romanced Amell/Surana is the same.


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Amusingly, Cullen asking for details from Leliana around the War Table about a romanced Amell/Surana is the same.

 

lol, that's just wrong.  



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lol, that's just wrong.  

 

I may have phrased that poorly :P He mostly just does his awkward stuttering thing that so many love, asking about her, Leliana teases him about asking for details and he's all "no! that would be...inappropriate *nervous giggle*"

I only ever get this post-game, so I think they're pretty much all just smoking elfroot to finally relax at that point. "Lake Calenhad looks like a bunny" banter happens at the same point for me :D



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I think I've heard that Cullen asking Leliana about Amell/Surana like that if they're dead is a bug.

 

I don't think he's quite so tactless to awkwardly prod at a sore subject like her dead girlfriend, anyway. 



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I think I've heard that Cullen asking Leliana about Amell/Surana like that if they're dead is a bug.

 

I don't think he's quite so tactless to awkwardly prod at a sore subject like her dead girlfriend, anyway. 

 

Is it? Small comfort, that. US Surana was my canon so I did find it a bit odd, on my first playthrough, that they'd have that conversation. I just kind of figured he was weird and inappropriate and went with it :whistle:


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Is it? Small comfort, that. US Surana was my canon so I did find it a bit odd, on my first playthrough, that they'd have that conversation. I just kind of figured he was weird and inappropriate and went with it :whistle:

 

Maybe there is  a little necromance  ;)

 

 

What all changes with a dead Warden import?

I only saw a video of the first convo with Leliana...I wasn't sure if that was it or not.

 

You get one of the most heartbreaking dialogues in the game:

 

'I was with the  Hero of Ferladen when she defeated the Archdemon. The maker brought us together, and then I watched her die. In that instant, I felt the makers presence grow cold. One moment a cherished child, the next abandoned.'



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The story arc is a hell of a lot better with a alive warden then the one who did the US.

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The story arc is a hell of a lot better with a alive warden then the one who did the US.

 

I have too agree to disagree...



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That's kind of why I preferred the Wardens not being able to avoid the Calling. It might be tragic as hell, particularly with Leliana left behind, but I was rather fond of my pre-DAI head canon about the Warden going out like a Viking at Ragnarok in the Deep Roads.

 

Same here. The Calling trailer was one of the things that really got me stoked about Origins, and I was hoping the game would offer us a chance to do this badass last stand or at least something comparable (yay, ultimate sacrifice!). The Wardens need reform and some reining in, but the basic concept of living a doomed life in service of an often uncaring world still appeals to me, so I would really hate to see "in death, sacrifice" just casually thrown away.

 

Not gonna lie, I actually thought Sten's was one of the bigger gut-punches, if your Warden had his respect.

 

Gotta say, I disagree. I loathe this sort of thing, it's exactly the same backhandedly insulting non-compliment that I wish we could take Solas to task for. "You <race/gender/creed/whatever> are all worthless, but for all your efforts I generously deign to view you as acceptable by my egomaniacal standards. Feel honored and thank me." No. It's like when people IRL say you're smart "for a girl" or "not like those other women". Never, ever, is that anything but a big red flag.

 

All the dead warden sliders were so bitter and sad. Leliana's suggested suicide and Alistair's slide if he remained a warden were those that hit the hardest though.

 

Eh, I don't know. I liked my epilogue -- and the living Warden's epilogue isn't really any better, IMO. Given prior experience with games that did have explicit epilogues like this (BG2 ToB, Jade Empire, Origins) and speaking as someone who fiercely loves the bonds formed between the protagonist and her friends, I simply don't trust the writers to not break these bonds as soon as the big bad is dead. Everyone always scatters to the four winds without looking back. At best, the "love interest" sticks around ... but platonic friendship, pfft, that is apparently meaningless. Thanks, says this asexual. To me, that is infinitely more sad than at least having a definite ending to my character's story, an ending which also explains why the dear friends she made aren't with her anymore.

 

That's why I was glad to have chosen divinity in ToB, and the sacrifice in Origins ... aside from the fact that these endings were also the only ones that made sense for my characters.

 

Sure, the companions had lives of their own before meeting the protagonist, and not everyone is going to abandon their past ... but not everyone should fall over each other in their haste to abandon their is-it-really-a-friend as soon as the credits roll, either.


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Gotta say, I disagree. I loathe this sort of thing, it's exactly the same backhandedly insulting non-compliment that I wish we could take Solas to task for. "You <race/gender/creed/whatever> are all worthless, but for all your efforts I generously deign to view you as acceptable by my egomaniacal standards. Feel honored and thank me." No. It's like when people IRL say you're smart "for a girl" or "not like those other women". Never, ever, is that anything but a big red flag.


Regardless of what I think of the rest of your post, big +1 to this.

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Everyone always scatters to the four winds without looking back. At best, the "love interest" sticks around ... but platonic friendship, pfft, that is apparently meaningless.

 

Sure, the companions had lives of their own before meeting the protagonist, and not everyone is going to abandon their past ... but not everyone should fall over each other in their haste to abandon their is-it-really-a-friend as soon as the credits roll, either.

 

That bothers me as well. I believe some friendships can be more meaningful and stronger than romantic love, but the way they leave, it's like they never really formed a meaningful bond to begin with. The way DAO end felt a bit empty for me because of it.


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Is Leliana a slatern?



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Is Leliana a slatern?


that thread was the dumbest thing

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Let's just say I had to restrain myself from posting to that thread. Anyone who uses gendered slurs like "****" or "slattern", especially after letting his own apparent obsession with sex colour what is (in-game and out-game) clearly stated to be a platonic bond, is so not worth engaging with. At least not in a way that won't draw a mod's ire.



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You get one of the most heartbreaking dialogues in the game:

 

'I was with the  Hero of Ferladen when she defeated the Archdemon. The maker brought us together, and then I watched her die. In that instant, I felt the makers presence grow cold. One moment a cherished child, the next abandoned.'

You can tell she has experienced so much loss. First the Warden (not only a renowned war hero but also a potential lover), and then Justinia. Although I can't stomach seeing Leliana like that in my game, it does show how much she's suffered and explains why she is the way she is now.



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that thread was the dumbest thing

 

I know, and so hilarious..

 

Let's just say I had to restrain myself from posting to that thread. Anyone who uses gendered slurs like "****" or "slattern", especially after letting his own apparent obsession with sex colour what is (in-game and out-game) clearly stated to be a platonic bond, is so not worth engaging with. At least not in a way that won't draw a mod's ire.

 

Yeah, true  one mod in particular is a real a**hat . 

You can tell she has experienced so much loss. First the Warden (not only a renowned war hero but also a potential lover), and then Justinia. Although I can't stomach seeing Leliana like that in my game, it does show how much she's suffered and explains why she is the way she is now.

 

Unfortunatly, my warden was a dead romance in my first/blind play through of inquisition..so I was hit with all the feels the first time through. I recommend playing through with a dead-warden at least once, it goes well with a hardened leliana.



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Unfortunatly, my warden was a dead romance in my first/blind play through of inquisition..so I was hit with all the feels the first time through. I recommend playing through with a dead-warden at least once, it goes well with a hardened leliana.

Yeah, I might do it when I'm bored sometime. It sounds like it's worth trying.


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welp, got a persistent CTD on "custom Champion of Kirkwall" in this playthrough

*swears*

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I think I've heard that Cullen asking Leliana about Amell/Surana like that if they're dead is a bug.

 

I don't think he's quite so tactless to awkwardly prod at a sore subject like her dead girlfriend, anyway. 

 

I think the awkward exchange at the War Table, with Cullen stuttering and Leliana teasing him, was probably intended for a living Warden only. Then there's that dialogue between Leliana and the messenger:

 

"I thought this obsession was over! Has he been drinking?"

"I don't know, I-I'm just a messenger"
"Tell him to drop itI I am not going to discuss what she was like."

 

We can't be 100% sure of what the context is, but it could apply to a drunk Cullen randomly asking Leliana about a dead Amell/Surana through her messenger. And of course this time Leliana is not playful at all, she's pissed.

 

 

Gotta say, I disagree. I loathe this sort of thing, it's exactly the same backhandedly insulting non-compliment that I wish we could take Solas to task for. "You <race/gender/creed/whatever> are all worthless, but for all your efforts I generously deign to view you as acceptable by my egomaniacal standards. Feel honored and thank me." No. It's like when people IRL say you're smart "for a girl" or "not like those other women". Never, ever, is that anything but a big red flag.

 

I completely agree. 


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And of course this time Leliana is not playful at all, she's pissed.


Tee hee. Pissed. It's funny because he's drunk.

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The dead romance warden stuff is a lot better written than the jarringly disconnected fanservice for a live warden

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Is Leliana a slatern?

 

Oh, definitely. Don't you know that upon entering a serious relationship, one is not permitted to have any sort of friends?

 

 

(For the record, that IS sarcasm.)