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Sister Nightingale: Leliana in DA:I Appreciation&Discussion (Nope, still not romanceable)


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The choice of making her Divine really is something of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you're making sure the mess that occurred between the templars and mages never repeats itself. On the other hand, you're putting Leliana in a position that has the potential to fundamentally change her as a woman, thus possibly affecting any current relationship with the Warden in more ways than one.

 

To me, it sounds as though there is no correct answer, only a logical answer. What you deem logical depends on one's priorities. As in, is it the relationship you're worried about or is it the war? Is this more of a personal or a political decision to you?

 

It's something that I think the writers even intended, having to choose between two paths with no real idea as to the consequences associated with each.


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The choice of making her Divine really is something of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you're making sure the mess that occurred between the templars and mages never repeats itself. On the other hand, you're putting Leliana in a position that has the potential to fundamentally change her as a woman, thus possibly affecting any current relationship with the Warden in more ways than one.

 

To me, it sounds as though there is no correct answer, only a logical answer. What you deem logical depends on one's priorities. As in, is it the relationship you're worried about or is it the war? Is this more of a personal or a political decision to you?

 

It's something that I think the writers even intended, having to choose between two paths with no real idea as to the consequences associated with each.

Well, changing that in case it goes wrong is something that the Keep is for.

 

I've been wondering. What would Leliana think, do you think, about a Lavellan Inquisitor acting as a sort of Keeper to the Inquisition's elves? Telling them about the Dalish and their beliefs, and giving those who were interested a chance to convert and be ministered to?



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I've been wondering. What would Leliana think, do you think, about a Lavellan Inquisitor acting as a sort of Keeper to the Inquisition's elves? Telling them about the Dalish and their beliefs, and giving those who were interested a chance to convert and be ministered to?

Assuming she trusts the Inquisitor, I think she could get behind that.

 

How do you think she would react to that?



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I think the only way we'll see Leliana in DA4 (which is said to focus on northern Thedas) is if she's made Divine Victoria, perhaps when meeting the Black Divine.

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I think the only way we'll see Leliana in DA4 (which is said to focus on northern Thedas) is if she's made Divine Victoria, perhaps when meeting the Black Divine.

Ooh, Divine Victoria meeting the Black Divine in a DA4 centered around Tevinter, I like it! :D



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will DA 4  be going to northern Thedas then?  

 

I presume that means Tevinter - the party capital of Thedas



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I actually hope Inquisition is the last time we see non-Divine Leliana. Unless it's attached to any hypothetical future Warden cameo, anyway. That would be acceptable.
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I actually hope Inquisition is the last time we see non-Divine Leliana. Unless it's attached to any hypothetical future Warden cameo, anyway. That would be acceptable.

I'd like it if DA4 either went a long way back or forward in time. Back before the Blights or after all the Archdemons are dead.


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I actually hope Inquisition is the last time we see non-Divine Leliana. Unless it's attached to any hypothetical future Warden cameo, anyway. That would be acceptable.

Agreed, I think Inquisition is a fitting end to Leliana's story aside from any appearances as Divine Victoria in the future :) As for the Warden, I had my mind set on that we would never see him/her again, but then the whole curing the Calling quest showed up, so you never know, maybe it'll happen eventually :P


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I'd like it if DA4 either went a long way back or forward in time. Back before the Blights or after all the Archdemons are dead.


Then it wouldn't be the Dragon Age.
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Then it wouldn't be the Dragon Age.

If it goes to the past, fair enough. For the future though... Ages don't have a set duration, do they? The Dragon Age could last a long, long time.


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Then it wouldn't be the Dragon Age.

Pretty much this. I've seen people suggest a game set during the First Blight as a potential game, and while that among other things would be interesting, it wouldn't be a Dragon Age game.

 

I also feel that a hypothetical game like that wouldn't be appropriate until after we're done with the current Age, there's lots of things to explore before introducing a prequel/sequel to the Dragon Age. 



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If it goes to the past, fair enough. For the future though... Ages don't have a set duration, do they? The Dragon Age could last a long, long time.


They last 100 years. Though I guess Bioware could have them change that if they really wanted to

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If it goes to the past, fair enough. For the future though... Ages don't have a set duration, do they? The Dragon Age could last a long, long time.

According to World of Thedas, 100 years is the standard length. 

 

But Dragon is still not even halfway through.



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They last 100 years. Though I guess Bioware could have them change that if they really wanted to

I doubt it, they've got plenty of years to use for the franchise, if they end up reaching the end of the Age and want to keep making games in the setting, they can go forward with prequels/sequels at that point :)



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I honestly don't see them ever going back in this series. A lot of things have been set up in such a way that it only makes sense for the story to move forward rather than backward. I can see it happening in DLC/expansions (as in Leliana's Song), but probably not on the scale of a full game entry.



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WELCOME TO THE NUG AGE! :lol:


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WELCOME TO THE NUG AGE! :lol:


I sense a bright future for the lineage of Schmooples :)
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The choice of making her Divine really is something of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you're making sure the mess that occurred between the templars and mages never repeats itself. On the other hand, you're putting Leliana in a position that has the potential to fundamentally change her as a woman, thus possibly affecting any current relationship with the Warden in more ways than one.

 

To me, it sounds as though there is no correct answer, only a logical answer. What you deem logical depends on one's priorities. As in, is it the relationship you're worried about or is it the war? Is this more of a personal or a political decision to you?

 

It's something that I think the writers even intended, having to choose between two paths with no real idea as to the consequences associated with each.

 

I think the conflict between Mages and Templar is already solved regardless of who your Divine is by the ending of Inquisition. Of course some people might argue one Divine's decisions and teachings are better than another, but considering how the narrative being unfolded in the past three games so far, I doubt Bioware would drag the Mage-Templar conflict to the fourth game - unless it is something necessary and planned beforehand.

 

I agree though. Divine rules over half of a continent and whoever sits on the Sunburst Throne would change the political situation in Southern Thedas significantly. In the case of Leliana, her relationship with the Warden would become really complicated for sure, especially if we're overanalyzing it and think that our Warden's origin would affect the relationship in one way or another. 

 

That's the best part about making decisions in Bioware games in general. You are given these narrative puzzle and you can set them accordingly to your likings. Some decisions might look good or bad at the outset, but events of future games might force us to change our decision in the Keep e.g. Alistair is staying as a Grey Warden, Morrigan's Dark Ritual among other things.



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WELCOME TO THE NUG AGE! :lol:

 

Unfortunately, unless Cassandra/Leliana/Vivienne live to be 100, they're probably not gonna get to name the next age. So the Punching-Things-in-the-Face Age/Nug Age/Hats Age may never come to be. :S


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I want there to be a hoor age.



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That's the best part about making decisions in Bioware games in general. You are given these narrative puzzle and you can set them accordingly to your likings. Some decisions might look good or bad at the outset, but events of future games might force us to change our decision in the Keep e.g. Alistair is staying as a Grey Warden, Morrigan's Dark Ritual among other things.

Yeah, the Keep really is a convenient tool to get around these issues. You no longer feel anxious about a decision because all it takes is a couple tweaks on some website and you're done.


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Er...why would Leliana be important to the rest of Thedas if she becomes Divine?

 

She no longer has templars (no army), no mages and thus is basically a modern day pope. A.k.a completely irrelevant to the whims of the real movers and shakers of society?

 

Leliana HAS no power and I honestly don't see how she has the weight of Thedas on her shoulders...(she basically got rid of that weight by jettisoning the circle system)

 

I mean, why would the Black Divine be interested in talking with her...she doesn't have force behind her (the black divine is not only a senior enchanter of the Minathuros circle but also a high ranking member of the government - a magister).



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Er...why would Leliana be important to the rest of Thedas if she becomes Divine?

 

She no longer has templars (no army), no mages and thus is basically a modern day pope. A.k.a completely irrelevant to the whims of the real movers and shakers of society?

 

Leliana HAS no power and I honestly don't see how she has the weight of Thedas on her shoulders...(she basically got rid of that weight by jettisoning the circle system)

 

I mean, why would the Black Divine be interested in talking with her...she doesn't have force behind her (the black divine is not only a senior enchanter of the Minathuros circle but also a high ranking member of the government - a magister).

That would depend on the plot, I could see Tevinter having to suck up their pride and ask for aid from the south against a hypothetical full scale Qunari Invasion.

 

And great, now I got an image in my head of Cassandra and my Qunari Inquisitor spearheading an Exalted March against the heathen, oh the glorious irony :D

 

Nevertheless, it would be an interesting meet and would provide a cameo opportunity  :P



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That would depend on the plot, I could see Tevinter having to suck up their pride and ask for aid from the south against a hypothetical full scale Qunari Invasion.

 

 

 

I should point out that I fully expect the next Dragon age to focus on this but like I said, why would the Black Divine want to meet with Leliana? Indeed, your suggestion makes a lot of sense and I wouldn't be surprised such a meeting would occur early in the next game.

 

The Black Divine will want to meet with the inquisition (most powerful force in thedas who may or may not be allied with the quanari), will want to meet with the autonomous circle (magical power and with a vested interest in not seeingt he qun win) and will want to meet with the leaders of the southern thedas countries (their armies and more importantly, their logistical trains) but why would the black divine want to meet with Leliana?