Agreed on that note, meeting Leliana as Divine Victoria in particular doesn't make all that much sense, since she disbands the circles and dedicates the Chantry to charity.
The only reason I can think of would be that the intention behind such a meeting would be to extend Tevinter's reach to The Inquisition, as Divine Victoria has ties to the organization. Doesn't Dorian also mention early in DAI that the Inquisition appears to be an arm of the Orlesian Chantry to Tevinter?
Er...why would Leliana be important to the rest of Thedas if she becomes Divine?
She no longer has templars (no army), no mages and thus is basically a modern day pope. A.k.a completely irrelevant to the whims of the real movers and shakers of society?
Leliana HAS no power and I honestly don't see how she has the weight of Thedas on her shoulders...(she basically got rid of that weight by jettisoning the circle system)
I mean, why would the Black Divine be interested in talking with her...she doesn't have force behind her (the black divine is not only a senior enchanter of the Minathuros circle but also a high ranking member of the government - a magister).
Yes but she would still have devoted Andrastian followers behind her back, and that can be translated as a "power" too, in a sense. I mean, if your definition of "power" is only defined as raw power - army, weapons, territory, etc. - what you said is indeed sensible. But from political perspective, the Divine is still an important figure; the main representative of Andrastian religion in southern part of Thedas.
Considering the way how religion works in Thedas, I think whoever the Divine is could still rally up her closest allies and her people to do something as grand as Exalted March, if necessary.
I think it is kind of difficult to draw a parallel line between the Divine with the Pope of our real world, simply because these days any form of religious practice or preachings often met with a great deal of skepticism and contempt. In Thedas however, I do think a Divine still holds a significant amount of political power at her disposal. On the facet, the Divine and the Pope looks very similar, but I think there are some things which make them fundamentally different too.
I wouldn't mind if they moved forward a decade or two for Dragon Age 4. Perhaps 9:50/60 Dragon?
I might be in the minority but I feel they should end the cameos in future games for characters from Origins and Dragon Age 2, really. Most of the character's stories from the first two games are pretty much done.
Alistair has way too many variables about his fate to have any huge role in future games.
The developers have said that Morrigan's fate will be decided in Inquisition and this game is her huge moment.
Leliana's story is pretty much done beyond Inquisition and future DLCs related to it.
The Inquisition companions still have potential for future games, so I'm all up for seeing them, at least for DA4. 
And my Inquisitor of course.
I imagine the Divine Tevinter would be most interested in is Vivienne.
Until they realize she's basically the anti-Tevinter, anyway.
Pfft, "anti." If she was born in Tevinter, she'd be a hardline Danarius-esque magister, and I think she only isn't one as she is out of pride.
Yes but she would still have devoted Andrastian followers behind her back, and that can be translated as a "power" too, in a sense. I mean, if your definition of "power" is only defined as raw power - army, weapons, territory, etc. - what you said is indeed sensible. But from political perspective, the Divine is still an important figure; the main representative of Andrastian religion in southern part of Thedas.
Considering the way how religion works in Thedas, I think whoever the Divine is could still rally up her closest allies and her people to do something as grand as Exalted March, if necessary.
I think it is kind of difficult to draw a parallel line between the Divine with the Pope of our real world, simply because these days any form of religious practice or preachings often met with a great deal of skepticism and contempt. In Thedas however, I do think a Divine still holds a significant amount of political power at her disposal. On the facet, the Divine and the Pope looks very similar, but I think there are some things which make them fundamentally different too.
WHAT politicial power?
Divine Leliana has NONE especially since unlike our real world, it was never a part of the fabric of Thedas that the nobility have a divine right to rule. In our world, even when the military power of the church was weakened, it still was considered politically dangerous to ignore the church since many of the nobles used the "divine right to be king" backed up by the church.
Thedas has never been such a place where the nobility has that sway...
So what if she has devoted andrastrain followers...she can't actually use said followers for anything...Indeed, one of the reasons I'd argue against Leliana's ending making any sense is that she opens up the chantry to all races and quite frankly, this should be causing as big a shock as appointing an elf as a local bann did in Ferelden.
WHAT politicial power?
Divine Leliana has NONE especially since unlike our real world, it was never a part of the fabric of Thedas that the nobility have a divine right to rule. In our world, even when the military power of the church was weakened, it still was considered politically dangerous to ignore the church since many of the nobles used the "divine right to be king" backed up by the church.
Thedas has never been such a place where the nobility has that sway...
So what if she has devoted andrastrain followers...she can't actually use said followers for anything...Indeed, one of the reasons I'd argue against Leliana's ending making any sense is that she opens up the chantry to all races and quite frankly, this should be causing as big a shock as appointing an elf as a local bann did in Ferelden.
Actually, the Orlais codex states outright that Orlesian nobility's right to rule comes directly from the Maker.
Actually, the Orlais codex states outright that Orlesian nobility's right to rule comes directly from the Maker.
So one nation then in Thedas? It certainly isn't the truth for Rivain, the Anders, Neverra or Antiva....
So one nation then in Thedas? It certainly isn't the truth for Rivain, the Anders, Neverra or Antiva....
Well, it's not stated to be the truth or not. It's unlikely in Rivain because it's not very Andrastian, and isn't the case in Ferelden, but other nations aren't mentioned.
WHAT politicial power?
Divine Leliana has NONE especially since unlike our real world, it was never a part of the fabric of Thedas that the nobility have a divine right to rule. In our world, even when the military power of the church was weakened, it still was considered politically dangerous to ignore the church since many of the nobles used the "divine right to be king" backed up by the church.
Thedas has never been such a place where the nobility has that sway...
So what if she has devoted andrastrain followers...she can't actually use said followers for anything...Indeed, one of the reasons I'd argue against Leliana's ending making any sense is that she opens up the chantry to all races and quite frankly, this should be causing as big a shock as appointing an elf as a local bann did in Ferelden.
This is where I disagree. In fact, I believe the power that the Divine holds in Thedas is way stronger than our world church does. Worshipping deity is still a huge deal for people in southern Thedas i.e. Orlais, Ferelden, and Free Marches. As Xilizhra put it, Orlesian people is in general have strong believe in the Maker and Andrastian Chantry.
I wouldn't speculate or say anything about Chantry's influence on Nevarra, Anderfels, or Rivaini (which is described as the land who never knows teachings of Chantry) because the information on them is basically naught at this point. But if we're talking about regions that have been covered in the game so far, Chantry is deeply tied to many aspects of daily life.
Hah, I also disagree on "So what if she has devoted andrastrain followers...she can't actually use said followers for anything.." .
She definitely could do something. Wulfram put it eloquently better than I do - "A lot of people believe in her and that matters". Rallying people up under one cause isn't exactly the easiest thing to do in the world but the Divine could - whoever she is - unite people under one banner of Andraste, regardless how superficial of a reason you think that might be. I think you're underestimating the power of religious leader in Thedas, although I expect things would not go as smoothly as she would like to be.
I am just saying, just because Vicky Leli does not have a personal army, it does not necessarily mean she is weak. There are people out there who will still follow the Divine Vicky Leli regardless of the fact that how controversial her decisions were. If you think people's power is not a political power, then I don't know what power is.
So, not to change the subject, but I saw a Dragon Age/Harry Potter thing on tumblr earlier (I probably should've grabbed a link but didn't even think of it) and it got me thinking, which Hogwarts House do you all think Leliana would be in? Hufflepuff? Slytherin? ..Ravenclaw? Or am I just a nerd that needs to go away? Could see an arguement for each (loyal and hard working, cunning, knowledge, respectively); Gryffindor's the only one I don't really see but I hadn't actually given it any thought till now.
On topic, I agree that even without an army, Divine Leliana would still hold a substantial amount of power. She'd still be a strong political figure, she'd have the Inquisition's support (which may include the Templars), the organised mages would likely back her if required and if push came to shove, I believe she'd be able to rally an army under her banner from both Orlais and Ferelden. We don't know about the other countries, true, but in such a religious world, the people's loyalty to the Chantry isn't something to sneeze at.
Quick question, if you had your Warden romance Leliana in Origins does she bring them up at all if you're making her DIvine in Inquisition? Is there any dialogue where she brings up how her becoming Divine might affect her relationship with the Warden? Or is that relationship just never brought up by her during that whole process? Would seem kind of an odd thing to ignore considering I think she can say that she'll meet back up with the HoF after all this is over earlier in the game when referencing the HoF going off to cure the Calling.
So, not to change the subject, but I saw a Dragon Age/Harry Potter thing on tumblr earlier (I probably should've grabbed a link but didn't even think of it) and it got me thinking, which Hogwarts House do you all think Leliana would be in? Hufflepuff? Slytherin? ..Ravenclaw? Or am I just a nerd that needs to go away? Could see an arguement for each (loyal and hard working, cunning, knowledge, respectively); Gryffindor's the only one I don't really see but I hadn't actually given it any thought till now.
I'm not well-versed in that universe, but everything I know leads me to say Ravenclaw.
Quick question, if you had your Warden romance Leliana in Origins does she bring them up at all if you're making her DIvine in Inquisition? Is there any dialogue where she brings up how her becoming Divine might affect her relationship with the Warden? Or is that relationship just never brought up by her during that whole process? Would seem kind of an odd thing to ignore considering I think she can say that she'll meet back up with the HoF after all this is over earlier in the game when referencing the HoF going off to cure the Calling.
Nope, nothing. The game started off pretty strong with the Warden/Leliana references, then they completely drop off during that whole final stretch of the game, which sucks because the whole Divine process is where you'd think it'd be particularly important to bring up. They had to clarify it via Twitter. The Inquisitor knew perfectly well about her relationship at that point, a single concerned investigate option related to it wouldn't have been too hard. Something tells me it slipped their mind, which...is not very assuring. :/
Quick question, if you had your Warden romance Leliana in Origins does she bring them up at all if you're making her DIvine in Inquisition? Is there any dialogue where she brings up how her becoming Divine might affect her relationship with the Warden? Or is that relationship just never brought up by her during that whole process? Would seem kind of an odd thing to ignore considering I think she can say that she'll meet back up with the HoF after all this is over earlier in the game when referencing the HoF going off to cure the Calling.
That was rather lame actually. HoF busts his ass to find the cure and what does she do? Go full pope. Thanks Lel. He should dump her ass with a letter since there are no text messages available.
So, not to change the subject, but I saw a Dragon Age/Harry Potter thing on tumblr earlier (I probably should've grabbed a link but didn't even think of it) and it got me thinking, which Hogwarts House do you all think Leliana would be in? Hufflepuff? Slytherin? ..Ravenclaw? Or am I just a nerd that needs to go away? Could see an arguement for each (loyal and hard working, cunning, knowledge, respectively); Gryffindor's the only one I don't really see but I hadn't actually given it any thought till now.
I'd say Hufflepuff.
Her Patronus is a nug, obviously. 
So, not to change the subject, but I saw a Dragon Age/Harry Potter thing on tumblr earlier (I probably should've grabbed a link but didn't even think of it) and it got me thinking, which Hogwarts House do you all think Leliana would be in? Hufflepuff? Slytherin? ..Ravenclaw? Or am I just a nerd that needs to go away? Could see an arguement for each (loyal and hard working, cunning, knowledge, respectively); Gryffindor's the only one I don't really see but I hadn't actually given it any thought till now.
Ooh, that's a tough one. Honestly, like you said, she has traits which could put her in all of the Houses, so let's see how she doesn't fit.
Slytherin is the house of the cunning, but also usually has ambitious and self-centered members, something I don't particularly see in Leliana.
Hufflepuff is the house of the hard-working, selfless, but also of fair play - something Leliana isn't. However, Hufflepuff is also the house of loyalty, which is very much present in Leli.
Gryffindor is the house of the brave and daring, of nerve... but also of chivalry. Not sure if Leliana fits in the Gryffindor common room.
Ravenclaw is the house of the intelligent, those with knowledge and wit.
Leliana is basically one who I could see put in either of the Houses... maybe we need a new House for her. I guess you could say Origins' Leliana is a better fit in Hufflepuff, and Inquisition's Leliana would lean more towards Slytherin.
It's interesting, because if you think about it, the students of Hogwarts almost always fit in the archetypes for their respective Houses... something which doesn't quite fit Dragon Age characters, I don't think. Maybe it's because Rowling has a very... strong belief of those Houses reflecting people in real life.
Quick question, if you had your Warden romance Leliana in Origins does she bring them up at all if you're making her DIvine in Inquisition? Is there any dialogue where she brings up how her becoming Divine might affect her relationship with the Warden? Or is that relationship just never brought up by her during that whole process? Would seem kind of an odd thing to ignore considering I think she can say that she'll meet back up with the HoF after all this is over earlier in the game when referencing the HoF going off to cure the Calling.
It's disappointing that for whatever reason(oversight/time/resource etc) this issue never got dealt with in game. I agree with Sheryl Chee's twitter opinion on Leliana carrying on the relationship as Divine but do wish my inquisitor could query Leliana directly regarding how her prior plans to leave and join her love would be affected by becoming divine.
That was rather lame actually. HoF busts his ass to find the cure and what does she do? Go full pope. Thanks Lel. He should dump her ass with a letter since there are no text messages available.
Or, he could go and talk to her, and try to understand why she did what she did. Rather than be like a child throwing a tantrum.
I'm inclined to headcanon the Divine thing was discussed in the exchange of letters between Leliana and the Warden, even if the timing doesn't necessarily fit.
Even if the Warden said "Don't become the Divine" and Leliana went ahead anyway, it's better than doing it without discussion.
Yeah, lets go with that It could work for pretty much all scenarios (Except dead warden)
I'm inclined to headcanon the Divine thing was discussed in the exchange of letters between Leliana and the Warden, even if the timing doesn't necessarily fit.
Even if the Warden said "Don't become the Divine" and Leliana went ahead anyway, it's better than doing it without discussion.
It's a plausible headcanon. I actually don't think any Warden who's in a relationship with her would want her to be Divine from the get-go, so it could have taken some convincing on Leli's part.
It's a plausible headcanon. I actually don't think any Warden who's in a relationship with her would want her to be Divine from the get-go, so it could have taken some convincing on Leli's part.
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