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[Jaison1986]

Contacting the Warden in the uncharted middle of nowhere seemed like a serious pain in the arse to pull off, so I highly doubt Leliana and the Warden had any regular correspondence afterward where they discussed this. Which one should do before wanting to make a life-altering decision that will effect both of you.

Yep. Apparently that slipped her mind. :/

 

Well Cassandra breaks up with you if she becomes the Divine as she is not willing to bend the law for her benefit. So it's not like Leliana is the only one that accepts the role of Divine even if on an relationship. Personally, I would be willing to make some sacrifices for the greater good. For example, I choose to drink from the well even tough that made me Mythal's pet, all so I could save Morrigan from it.

[Nightingale]

I'm doing a terrible job staying out of this convesation...It's possible finding the Warden was the difficult part and that staying in contact, while still not easy, would be quite possible. It'd be worth the effort, at the very least.

 

If we're looking for a villainous Hufflepuff, Meredith might be a good candidate.

 

Really? I guess I could see that. I'd have thought Gryffindor, though perhaps it's just a Templar thing that makes me think so.

 

Question: Does Leliana not get along with Cullen?

 

They get along fine? I wouldn't have thought to call them friends before, but they certainly show concern and support for each other (the War Table banter where she asks if he's feeling alright, if he has a headache, comes to mind,as well as the way he talks about her after Valence) and work well enough together. Why do you ask, any particular conversation in mind?

[Xilizhra]

Really? I guess I could see that. I'd have thought Gryffindor, though perhaps it's just a Templar thing that makes me think so.

I considered that, but Meredith isn't brave, to me. Her entire life and philosophy is ruled by fear.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

I think Leliana's just absolutely confident that this won't screw over the Warden.

I don't see how she couldn't realize this would be liable to cause a lot of problems for a Dalish Warden, among others.

Who says the matter wasn't raised in that contact and responded to in the private letter. It's hardly as if Leliana wouldn't have known her name was being mentioned as a possible divine candidate.

It was just a rumour then rather than anything that seemed like a distinct possibility, so I doubt that got much of a discussion then.

Well Cassandra breaks up with you if she becomes the Divine as she is not willing to bend the law for her benefit. So it's not like Leliana is the only one that accepts the role of Divine even if on an relationship. Personally, I would be willing to make some sacrifices for the greater good. For example, I choose to drink from the well even tough that made me Mythal's pet, all so I could save Morrigan from it.

But Cassandra actually discusses it with the person she's in the relationship with. In person. She lets you know, you can give your opinion. There's communication before a life-altering decision. For Leliana, it'd be like breaking up with your long time SO via text message. Assuming she told them at all. Which I'm leaning towards 'no.'

[Aimi]

Radical change never occurs without a fair amount of chaos and bloodshed,

Sure it can. Abolition of slavery in Europe. Actually, emancipation was fairly bloodless across most of the world, with Haiti and the United States being the chief exceptions.

The 'revolutions of 1989' were also largely bloodless, with what chaos there was being localized and brief in duration.

[Nightingale]

I considered that, but Meredith isn't brave, to me. Her entire life and philosophy is ruled by fear.

 

I'd say bravery isn't the absence of fear, but being afraid and doing it anyway...but you're right. What she's doing isn't out of any sort of heroism, it is, in her mind, to simply prevent the "problem" in the first place. Why give mages a chance and risk it when you can just assume the worst and deal with them now before it's a problem? It's perhaps misguided bravery on her part, thinking she's doing what's right because nobody else can.

 

I suppose you can't really categorize people based on a handful of traits, though.

 

And I've only just realised the irony of putting magic-hating Meredith in a magic school's Sorting  

[Xilizhra]

I don't see how she couldn't realize this would be liable to cause a lot of problems for a Dalish Warden, among others.

The Hero of Ferelden? She's clearly used to moving in human social circles by now.

 

 

I'd say bravery isn't the absence of fear, but being afraid and doing it anyway...but you're right. What she's doing isn't out of any sort of heroism, it is, in her mind, to simply prevent the "problem" in the first place. Why give mages a chance and risk it when you can just assume the worst and deal with them now before it's a problem? It's perhaps misguided bravery on her part, thinking she's doing what's right because nobody else can.

 

I suppose you can't really categorize people based on a handful of traits, though.

 

And I've only just realised the irony of putting magic-hating Meredith in a magic school's Sorting  

There's the trouble. She doesn't act in the face of fear, she constantly bends to it.

[CrimsonN7]

See, that's one of the biggest problems right there. Leliana doesn't seem to have an issue with the fact that the Warden is going to come back after years of searching because they wanted to be with her...only to come back and potentially have their heart broken because she went and became Divine without even thinking of them at all. That...that is seriously bleh.

That's all well and good, but this should be something that gives her pause. She's potentially ruining a relationship she's had for ten years. The way it's presented in game doesn't give me any good 'Aww yeah you go girl' feelings. It just makes me think she either forgot or has no consideration for her long time significant other's thoughts and feelings whatsoever. She can still be her own woman while not doing that. :/

 

You really have no faith in Lels making this work eh. And who is to say she didn't think of the Warden at some point when making this decision, we don't know what was said in her private correspondence to the HoF, seems she's confident enough to take on the role and keep her relationship going.

 

 

Leliana is crafty give her some credit, oh ye of lil faith. Her religion is core to who she is, the Warden knows this. She went to Justinia's side quite readily when she needed her and now she'll take on the role of Divine as the Chantry is in disarray and it needs a figurehead again and new direction. The Warden ought to support her in this, she would need him/her more than ever. It will be rocky but radical change is never given lightly. And seeing in my first run where I got a hardened Lels on the sunburst throne it will be a bloody affair too.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

The Hero of Ferelden? She's clearly used to moving in human social circles by now.

And how she might feel about that personally doesn't matter much apparently, when throwing yourself into something like this. They're out there in large part because they don't want Leliana to lose more than she already has, but apparently that consideration didn't go two ways here... :/

They should have made a more neutral response to the idea, kept her tossing it around in her head rather than 'OMG PICK ME PICK ME.'

As is, it's really bloody jarring next to everything else Warden/Leliana.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Since when leliana or any Li is warden property they do what they want to do and pretty as they much did before.

 

Some people are rly control freaks (what sadly bio knows thus most romances aren't realistic).

 

If your warden don't like it they can always break up .I doubt they will give such possibility but as long they don't mention it anymore what i hope for there is no problem.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

You really have no faith in Lels making this work eh. And who is to say she didn't think of the Warden at some point when making this decision, we don't know what was said in her private correspondence to the HoF, seems she's confident enough to take on the role and keep her relationship going.

As I said, it was little more than a rumour when she sent the letter. I can't see there ever being a conversation about it.

She can want to be Divine all she wants, her prerogative. It's the complete lack of reservation or consideration presented to us that annoys the hell outta me and leaves the whole thing seeming completely out of the blue, and makes me think they forgot the Warden existed while writing that scene.

Leliana is crafty give her some credit, oh ye of lil faith. Her religion is core to who she is, the Warden knows this. She went to Justinia's side quite readily when she needed her and now she'll take on the role of Divine as the Chantry is in disarray and it needs a figurehead again and new direction. The Warden ought to support her in this, she would need him/her more than ever. It will be rocky but radical change is never given lightly. And seeing in my first run where I got a hardened Lels on the sunburst throne it will be a bloody affair too.

I never said my Warden wouldn't support her if it happened. (Which it never does for me. To 'ell with that.)

I just can't see them keeping a relationship going here. And I wish they made Leliana a bit more thoughtful of that too with a slightly different scene.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Since when leliana or any Li is warden property they do what they want to do and pretty as they much did before.

I never bloody said she is, Jesus Christ. You don't have to be domineering to take issue with something like that. This is something that would effect both of them greatly. Some indication that she actually cares about that is what I want.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I never bloody said she is, Jesus Christ. You don't have to be domineering to take issue with something like that. This is something that would effect both of them greatly. Some indication that she actually cares about that is what I want.

So does becoming left hand of divine and yet she did it so i don't see problem here.

 

Not mention i don't see why she would tell about it inquisitor anyway at least they saved some dignity for character that already babbler about romanced warden to random people.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

So does becoming left hand of divine and yet she did it so i don't see problem here.

And I'm sure there was a lengthy discussion between the two of them, with some heavy confliction on Leliana's part before she accepted. There's no indication of anything like that here. It's just a sudden jarring drop in the otherwise consistent stuff that came before it.

Not mention i don't see why she would tell about it inquisitor anyway at least they saved some dignity for character that already babbler about romanced warden to random people.

The Inquisitor knows full well about her relationship, and can potentially care quite a bit about her feelings and well being. I don't see how one investigation option about it would be a problem.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And I'm sure there was a lengthy discussion between the two of them, with some heavy confliction on Leliana's part before she accepted. There's no indication of anything like that here. It's just a sudden jarring drop in the otherwise consistent stuff that came before it.


The Inquisitor knows full well about her relationship, and can potentially care quite a bit about her feelings and well being. I don't see how one investigation option about it would be a problem.

 

You don't know that there was any discussion or if leliana just decided but she took that position anyway with or without warden approval same here with that warden was pretty much almost inaccessible at time of inquistion.

 

Your inqusition had to be (or rather would be) very creepy and controling type if s/he interfered into someone private and intimate life. 

[Wulfram]

Leliana becoming Divine is rather like the Warden marrying Anora/ Alistair to become king/Queen. Except she's marrying god.

[Uccio]

So does becoming left hand of divine and yet she did it so i don't see problem here.
 
Not mention i don't see why she would tell about it inquisitor anyway at least they saved some dignity for character that already babbler about romanced warden to random people.

She can quit being the left hand. Being the divine is for life.

[TheKomandorShepard]

She can quit being the left hand. Being the divine is for life.

Little difference she spend +/- 10 years as one and would pretty much spend more if not divine death.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

You don't know that there was any discussion or if leliana just decided but she took that position anyway with or without warden approval

They were physically together when she became Left Hand. Of course they bloody talked about it.

Your inqusition had to be (or rather would be) very creepy and controling type if s/he interfered into someone private and intimate life.

It's not interfering to ask a concerned question. The Inquisitor can be her friend at that point.

[TheKomandorShepard]

They were physically together when she became Left Hand. Of course they talked about it.

 
It's not interfering to ask a concerned question FFS. The Inquisitor can be her friend at that point.

 

Leliana could decide that as i said without talking to the warden about it and just inform leliana and in fact she did it as i sais with or without warden approval.

 

If you are Tommy sure (oh wait) not mention i wouldn't say friend as there is pretty much almost zero interaction that can say that she and inquisitor are friends rather than just working together and possibly inquisitor reprimanding her for her methodes.Also one is ask if it is that what she wants and another about private stuff.   

[wright1978]

even a rumour of her having a chance at her dream job would be a pretty obvious topic of correspondence between Leliana and her warden lover. you can role play that she made the decision unilaterally but that doesn't seem at all necessary imo.
Given what an important and amazing opportunity it is and how important her faith is to her, my wardens are fully supportive anyway.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Leliana could decide that as i said without talking to the warden about it and just inform leliana and in fact she did it as i sais with or without warden approval.

I have literally no clue what you're trying to say here.

If you are Tommy sure (oh wait) not mention i wouldn't say friend as there is pretty much almost zero interaction that can say that she and inquisitor are friends rather than just working together and possibly inquisitor reprimanding her for her methodes.Also one is ask if it is that what she wants and another about private stuff.

Yes, obviously pointing out her plans to rejoin her longtime lover that she told you about herself a while back, and asking what she plans to do there is comparable to Tommy Wiseau asking about his friend's sex life out of the blue. Brilliant comparison.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Since when leliana or any Li is warden property they do what they want to do

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything that anyone has said in the last three pages.

[vertigomez]

Leliana becoming Divine is rather like the Warden marrying Anora/ Alistair to become king/Queen. Except she's marrying god.

I rather like this comparison. The Warden becomes the consort.

[Basement Cat]

I rather like this comparison. The Warden becomes the consort.

Again! If they are the queen/king of Ferelden. Mind you, I think Leliana will have an easier time dealing with her 'husband' than the Warden. The Maker is not known for getting involved in earthly matters.