Yes, obviously pointing out her plans to rejoin her longtime lover that she told you about herself a while back, and asking what she plans to do there is comparable to Tommy Wiseau asking about his friend's sex life out of the blue. Brilliant comparison.
My last debate with TKS was somewhere between fruitless and frustrating. I recommend voluntary withdrawal for the sake of your continued mental health.
My last debate with TKS was somewhere between fruitless and frustrating. I recommend voluntary withdrawal for the sake of your continued mental health.
I recommend voluntary withdrawal for the sake of your continued mental health.
I'm working on getting him to do that. 
I have literally no clue what you're trying to say here.
Yes, obviously pointing out her plans to rejoin her longtime lover that she told you about herself a while back, and asking what she plans to do there is comparable to Tommy Wiseau asking about his friend's sex life out of the blue. Brilliant comparison.
That leliana could take that position without asking the warden for opinion in that matter and then just inform him/her about it , and that no matter what his/her opinion was leliana took it regardless.
It is both are creepy and going with shoes into somone private and intimate life with that it was Tommy best friend and well here...
This has absolutely nothing to do with anything that anyone has said in the last three pages.
except it has as we can see above...
Again! If they are the queen/king of Ferelden. Mind you, I think Leliana will have an easier time dealing with her 'husband' than the Warden. The Maker is not known for getting involved in earthly matters.
Well, the Maker's pretty good at manifesting himself through shriveled rosebushes. He could always do that if Leliana x Warden really grinds his gears.
Hey, maybe it's part of his plan to have those two together! Leliana makes lovely music. 
Again! If they are the queen/king of Ferelden. Mind you, I think Leliana will have an easier time dealing with her 'husband' than the Warden. The Maker is not known for getting involved in earthly matters.
Take this with you! Sweet dreams guaranteed!
*snip*
except it has as we can see above...
Above what? Your head? No one said anything about Leliana being anyone's property except you.
Above what? Your head? No one said anything about Leliana being anyone's property except you.
No one said but she was treated as one because she didn't ask warden for opinion or decided to become divine.
It is funny how you expect someone literally to say that leliana is their property and that i replied to person that claimed such thing.
What either means you comically missed simple point or it was another your failed attempt to go after me.
I don't think the moral authority of the Divine in a religious world should be downplayed too much. A lot of people will believe in her, and that matters.
But she's also likely got a bunch of supporters to call on. The mages would be expected to be both grateful and, more importantly, aware that if she falls then things will likely go badly for them. Similarly the elves - admittedly their support would be of limited value if Briala is not in power, though it would still have high intelligence value one would expect. Cassandra's reborn Seekers would likely back her up in most scenarios. She's potentially on good terms with the King of Fereldan, and maybe even on rather scandalously good terms with the King/Queen-Consort.
Plus she's helped saved the world once or twice. That does help your credibility
If Divine Victoria talks, people will listen.
I diagree. I think she basically becomes a modern day Pope in that while there is disapproval by the common populace if a leader opposed her, I don't see even Orlesians rising up in rebellion if it comes down to what the empress/emperor says versus what Leliana wants. Much less than places like the Free Marches and Ferelden.
Would you say that Leliana would STILL be against blood magic as Divine? What exactly do the mages have to fear if they decide to start practising blood magic again? It's not like she has any actual physical power to threaten them with
I diagree. I think she basically becomes a modern day Pope in that while there is disapproval by the common populace if a leader opposed her, I don't see even Orlesians rising up in rebellion if it comes down to what the empress/emperor says versus what Leliana wants. Much less than places like the Free Marches and Ferelden.
Would you say that Leliana would STILL be against blood magic as Divine?
What exactly do the mages have to fear if they decide to start practising blood magic again? It's not like she has any actual physical power to threaten them with
To be honest I still wish this entire choice just didn't exist in the first place. It just feels so ridiculously forced, like they just went down a checklist of their female Andrastian characters and female somewhat-Andrastian characters and went "Alright, anyone can become Divine now! Doesn't matter if none of them are even remotely fitting for the role, let's shoehorn them in anyway. Mother Gisselle? That would make far too much sense, no let's go with these three. Oh, and let's make the whole system a pain in the arse that'll take them months to figure out how it even works. Alright? Done."
This is exactly why I hate this choice; it's way too much for us. It's as if the devs had the 'brilliant' idea of giving us a much bigger choice in terms of choosing a 'leader' because we're the Inquisitor now. A choice they can never do enough justice because it's way too influential when it comes to the Thedosian status quo.
I wish they'd have gone with Mother Giselle. Up until Morrigan spoke the final words in the Epilogue I was convinced she'd become Divine. The game even builds up to it, it's uncanny.
While I can understand why some dislike the candidates that were given for the choice. I cannot fathom why some dislike the system that was used for the choice (barring any related to bugs). I thought it was quite refreshing to have the choice not be made directly, but instead was influenced by the state of the world (which we did have an active role in choosing). It actually helps give a sense that there are other people out there than the inquisition with their own will and agenda, who while might be influenced by your choices, is not actually bound to them.
For such a huge choice, I find that rather believable in a way.
While I can understand why some dislike the candidates that were given for the choice. I cannot fathom why some dislike the system that was used for the choice (barring any related to bugs). I thought it was quite refreshing to have the choice not be made directly, but instead was influenced by the state of the world (which we did have an active role in choosing). It actually helps give a sense that there are other people out there than the inquisition with their own will and agenda, who while might be influenced by your choices, is not actually bound to them.
For such a huge choice, I find that rather believable in a way.
While I can understand why some dislike the candidates that were given for the choice. I cannot fathom why some dislike the system that was used for the choice (barring any related to bugs). I thought it was quite refreshing to have the choice not be made directly, but instead was influenced by the state of the world (which we did have an active role in choosing). It actually helps give a sense that there are other people out there than the inquisition with their own will and agenda, who while might be influenced by your choices, is not actually bound to them.
For such a huge choice, I find that rather believable in a way.
It was pretty much poor system while i can see mage-templar outcome have influence in that matter other things that have influence are ridiculous like exile warden or not or drink from well or not going to that point that even simple private conversation with companions have influence on that who chantry will pick as next divine.
Personally, I actually think these choices do a disservice.
I think Bioware in general needs to stop with this....Not just Dragon age but also Mass Effect where you can weirdly remake the world so completely....
But then again, given the reactions to DAII, I'm willing to bet "local" heroes are not an option for future bioware games.
I totally agree, and I even would have liked some kind of similar system for the hardened/unhardened Leliana choice. In the same way there is a hidden score for the divines, they could have a hidden hardening score for Leli that would be increased when you make your spymaster do questionable or bloody things. For example, in Josie's personal quest, you can risk the life of some spies or follow the suggestion of Josephine, therefore with that kind of system taking the knives before niceness option would increase the "hardening score".While I can understand why some dislike the candidates that were given for the choice. I cannot fathom why some dislike the system that was used for the choice (barring any related to bugs). I thought it was quite refreshing to have the choice not be made directly, but instead was influenced by the state of the world (which we did have an active role in choosing). It actually helps give a sense that there are other people out there than the inquisition with their own will and agenda, who while might be influenced by your choices, is not actually bound to them.
For such a huge choice, I find that rather believable in a way.
Personally, I actually think these choices do a disservice.
I think Bioware in general needs to stop with this....Not just Dragon age but also Mass Effect where you can weirdly remake the world so completely....
But then again, given the reactions to DAII, I'm willing to bet "local" heroes are not an option for future bioware games.
That's exactly the thing. The choices we are given are so world-changing I honestly can't see how they are going to give them satisfying consequences in future material.
The principle is good but the execution isn't so good. I mean, why does the fate of the Wardens have anything to do with it? Why are the Inquisitor's chats with Dorian part of it? There's just no real sense of a logical cause and effect
I think it makes sense that the choice regarding the wardens would have an impact on the divine, if the wardens are banished the inquisition goes public with the crimes the wardens have commited and it would make sense that such a story would work against someone like Leliana who tries to argue for greater mage rights when people hear of what the mage wardens have done.
Ok, I can see what you mean with Dorian. But I still think the conversations with other characters who have connection to the chantry or other important institutions would give a small amount of points towards one or the other, reflecting how your words and/or philosphy might be told about to other members of the chantry through them, thereby giving your words a chance to influence their viewpoint on the matter.
Generally I think it works well for strong Mage supporters who allied with the Mages - you get Leliana and it's fairly obvious why you got Leliana. Even though I didn't want Leliana to win on my first game (because she was crazy and stabby*) I was OK with it because it fit with the other choices. But in other scenarios it can seem little more than random - and if you don't chat to Vivienne very much her victory could totally blindside you.
The problem with Vivienne you mentioned here I feel like is more a problem with Vivienne's character as a whole in the game. I tried to explain my viewpoint here about it.
Since it doesn´t appear on the end sliders it never happened. That is just head canon.
Given the source, wouldn't this be considered 'word of god' rather than head cannon?
Word of God can be annoying or so subtle no one really gets it, but it does stand.
It does, however, seem weird that if Leliana is in a relationship with the Warden - she goes from I'm quitting, joining her love in the sunset to I'm becoming divine (effectively dumping her lover) without a single word.
It was rather annoying.
It works though if Leliana isn't in a relationship or the Warden is dead (which is Bioware's canon).
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