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[ThePhoenixKing]

What on earth are you talking about?

 

I don't expect anyone to say anything. What "attempt to go after you?" 

 

Well, that's TKC for you. Bit telling when it's one of his more coherent comments.

 

Anywho, on the subject of Leliana as Divine, I kinda like the idea. She's certainly the breath of fresh air the Chantry needs, and my Warden could definitely see the benefit of having a Divine who's sympathetic to the Grey Wardens, mages and elves. Yeah, it would kinda suck not being able to spend as much time with her as he would like, but he's willing to accept that if it means that his people will have greater rights and freedoms in the future. Besides, I can totally see Leliana breaking or rewriting the rules so they can be together. They certainly stayed together when she was doing wetwork for Justinia, and he was turning Amaranthine into the Five Hundred Worlds of Ultramar; they'll make it work.

[jlb524]

So reading the last couple of pages about how different Wardens might react differently to the potential Divine Victoria thing made me curious: how did all you with non-Andrastian Wardens see their relationship with Leliana? Brosca/Aeducan/Mahariel/etc x Leliana has always been interesting to me because it probably needs a bit more thinking on with the obvious hurdles there. My Surana was a bit of an Andrastian, but not especailly devout by any definition of the term.

I'm running my Mahariel Warden import now in DAI and I'm sure I'll get Leliana as Divine again. It should be interesting. She believes in the Creators but isn't incredibly devout. Though, she was still hesitant with getting involved with Leliana at first considering her low opinion of humans and their Chantry.

With the Divine thing, my Mahariel Warden would encourage Leliana to go for it. First, if she doesn't find a cure for the Calling she probably doesn't have that much more time left given that the Calling gets accelerated in those Wardens that fight during Blights. The cure seems like a long shot unless there's something we don't know that our Warden knows.

Second, my Warden feels that Leliana could change things about the Chantry she finds unappealing, even though still probably wouldn't convert to Andrastianism, the hope there would be for better relations between the Chantry and the Dalish.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

So reading the last couple of pages about how different Wardens might react differently to the potential Divine Victoria thing made me curious: how did all you with non-Andrastian Wardens see their relationship with Leliana? Brosca/Aeducan/Mahariel/etc x Leliana has always been interesting to me because it probably needs a bit more thinking on with the obvious hurdles there. My Surana was a bit of an Andrastian, but not especailly devout by any definition of the term. 

 

Hm, basically, I think my Mahariel is a bit of a pessimist who dearly wishes she could be an optimist. She sees a little something of how she wishes she could be in Leliana, in a way. She was brought up being told her gods were gone, betrayed, locked away, whatever. She would have wanted to have a little faith like the others around her, but she's someone who could never find any motivation to revere anything that apparently isn't there to hear you anymore. That's just how she works. I don't think I ever made her express any particular belief in anything at any point. 

 

Then Leliana comes along, who was told essentially the same thing about the Maker as she was about the Creators. Despite all the horrible stuff Leliana's been through she actually had a bright outlook at the end of it all. Whereas one might expect there would be a rift coming from two opposite ends of the spectrum as they do, all there was, was a sort of...admiration there. One of the reasons the Warden's letter in Inquisition begging the Inquisitor to help stop her from losing that faith and slipping was so beautifully in-character for me. May or may not have been some eyeball-sweat there. 

 

She never became an Andrastian, never really changed her views on anything in the spiritual regard - I don't imagine Leliana ever tried to make her do so. That's not how she is. But I like to think Leliana gave her a little...something, y'know. ("I should be the one thanking you...") There's a mutual understanding and respect there. Both gave each other a little uplifting, and even if they don't share the same ways of thinking, they appreciate that difference.

 

Despite that, though...she most certainly would not want her to become Divine. She'd grit her teeth and support her if it happened. If she really got the sense it was what Leliana wanted, she wouldn't stop her. But she'd really feel like the last precious thing in her life was being lost down a path that she likely wouldn't be able to follow her down. That's...not the place for her, and there's no way she'd want to put Leliana in more danger than she's already in. She would have enough on her plate. Being with a Dalish Elf while being the head of the Chantry, Hero of Ferelden or not, would be a burden she wouldn't want her to have to deal with. Especially on top of everything else already.

 

Luckily that never happens. I like to think she's sipping martinis on some beach in Antiva or something right now, both of them free of it all, as I've said before. Much prefer it that way. The two of them have been through enough already. Time for some good ol' hell yuss adventures part two, because part one was postponed when she became Left Hand.

 

Damn that was a longer ramble than I'd thought. All before my morning coffee too.

 

better get on that

[TheKomandorShepard]

What on earth are you talking about?

 

I don't expect anyone to say anything. What "attempt to go after you?" 

And now you trying to play dumb pretending that you don't know what im talking about.

 

You jumped on me that no one said anything about leliana being property trying point that i argued with somone that literally claimed that leliana is property ,then i explained how stupid your argument is and to what i referred with my orginal post.

 

If you don't get it not my problem only yours.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

And now you trying to play dumb pretending that you don't know what im talking about.

 

You jumped on me that no one said anything about leliana being property trying point that i argued with somone that literally claimed that leliana is property ,then i explained how stupid your argument is and to what i referred with my orginal post.

 

If you don't get it not my problem only yours.

 

Are you drunk?

[AresKeith]

Are you drunk?

 

He's drunk on attention 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Well, that's TKC for you. Bit telling when it's one of his more coherent comments.

 

They get less coherent?

 

Oh, dear...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Are you drunk?

ah good day sir.

 

He's drunk on attention 

On whose yours? not worth it.

[GenericEnemy]

With the Divine thing, my Mahariel Warden would encourage Leliana to go for it. First, if she doesn't find a cure for the Calling she probably doesn't have that much more time left given that the Calling gets accelerated in those Wardens that fight during Blights. The cure seems like a long shot unless there's something we don't know that our Warden knows.

 

It's been done before, and the Warden seems to have some leads given they've been gone this long and have a destination. I'd be really surprised if the whole thing ends up as a ruse and the Warden fails at this point. 

 

Have a little faith in her. Leliana does.  

 

 

Hm, basically, I think my Mahariel is a bit of a pessimist who dearly wishes she could be an optimist. She sees a little something of how she wishes she could be in Leliana, in a way. She was brought up being told her gods were gone, betrayed, locked away, whatever. She would have wanted to have a little faith like the others around her, but she's someone who could never find any motivation to revere anything that apparently isn't there to hear you anymore. That's just how she works. I don't think I ever made her express any particular belief in anything at any point. 

 

Then Leliana comes along, who was told essentially the same thing about the Maker as she was about the Creators. Despite all the horrible stuff Leliana's been through she actually had a bright outlook at the end of it all. Whereas one might expect there would be a rift coming from two opposite ends of the spectrum as they do, all there was, was a sort of...admiration there. One of the reasons the Warden's letter in Inquisition begging the Inquisitor to help stop her from losing that faith and slipping was so beautifully in-character for me. May or may not have been some eyeball-sweat there. 

 

She never became an Andrastian, never really changed her views on anything in the spiritual regard - I don't imagine Leliana ever tried to make her do so. That's not how she is. But I like to think Leliana gave her a little...something, y'know. ("I should be the one thanking you...") There's a mutual understanding and respect there. Both gave each other a little uplifting, and even if they don't share the same ways of thinking, they appreciate that difference.

 

Despite that, though...she wouldn't want her to become Divine. She'd support her if it happened. If she really got the sense it was what Leliana wanted, she wouldn't stop her. But she'd also really feel like the last precious thing in her life was being lost down a path that she wouldn't know if she could ever follow her down. That's...not the place for her, and there's now way she'd want to put Leliana in more danger than she's already in. She would have enough on her plate. Being with a Dalish Elf while being the head of the Chantry, Hero of Ferelden or not, would be a burden she wouldn't want her to have to deal with. Especially on top of everything else already.

 

Luckily that never happens. I like to think she's sipping martinis on some beach in Antiva or something right now, both of them free of it all, as I've said before. Much prefer it that way. The two of them have been through enough already. Time for some good ol' hell yuss adventures part two, because part one was postponed when she became Left Hand.

 

Damn that was a longer ramble than I'd thought. All before my morning coffee too.

 

better get on that

 

It was a good read. Always fun seeing how people look at this kind of thing. 

[Nightingale]

So reading the last couple of pages about how different Wardens might react differently to the potential Divine Victoria thing made me curious: how did all you with non-Andrastian Wardens see their relationship with Leliana? Brosca/Aeducan/Mahariel/etc x Leliana has always been interesting to me because it probably needs a bit more thinking on with the obvious hurdles there. My Surana was a bit of an Andrastian, but not especailly devout by any definition of the term. 

 

Great question. My Surana started out hating the Chantry. It was actually Leliana that changed her mind. To her, all she had known was the templars and the "official" version of the Chant, wherein her people were considered monsters or not even worth mentioning (Shartan, for example; mages needing to be controlled, etc). Being out in the world and with Leliana, she was shown the good side of the Chantry, of what it could be. She believed in Leliana and her (slightly unconvential) view of the Chantry. She died hoping Leliana was right, that they'd see each other again at the Maker's side.

 

My Brosca pretty much thought the Paragons could shove it, for all the good the ancestors and Stone had done her. Aeducan found common ground elsewhere and agreed to disagree - Leliana's faith was hers and Aeducan accepted that and wouldn't change it any more than she would change what she herself believed in. The only Mahariel I remember well romanced Morrigan, so no big deal there.

 

Regardless, they'd support Leliana even if they weren't incredibly happy about it. I can see my Tabris (or Cousland) wanting to be her Right Hand/Champion/whatever Leliana needs.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Damn that was a longer ramble than I'd thought. All before my morning coffee too.

 

better get on that

 

You crazy Europeans, living in the future. It's all dark. It's time for some kind of Nyquil (with extra drowse.)

[Master Warder Z_]

Lels needs to lay off the elf root

[Uccio]

So reading the last couple of pages about how different Wardens might react differently to the potential Divine Victoria thing made me curious: how did all you with non-Andrastian Wardens see their relationship with Leliana? Brosca/Aeducan/Mahariel/etc x Leliana has always been interesting to me because it probably needs a bit more thinking on with the obvious hurdles there. My Surana was a bit of an Andrastian, but not especailly devout by any definition of the term. 

 

 

None of my Wardens were andrastian, even the Cousland just played lip service for the chantry. Mage hated chantry for locking him up. All of those who romanced Leliana kind of hand waved her religion off. Pretty and nice girl can have some flaws. Though now retrospective it was useless effort since she went all pope on them.

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

So reading the last couple of pages about how different Wardens might react differently to the potential Divine Victoria thing made me curious: how did all you with non-Andrastian Wardens see their relationship with Leliana? Brosca/Aeducan/Mahariel/etc x Leliana has always been interesting to me because it probably needs a bit more thinking on with the obvious hurdles there. My Surana was a bit of an Andrastian, but not especailly devout by any definition of the term. 

 

My Brosca Warden had no strong feelings one way or the other. She definitely wouldn't want her girlfriend to become the Divine though. That right there could only end badly, enough of that **** 

[wright1978]

So reading the last couple of pages about how different Wardens might react differently to the potential Divine Victoria thing made me curious: how did all you with non-Andrastian Wardens see their relationship with Leliana? Brosca/Aeducan/Mahariel/etc x Leliana has always been interesting to me because it probably needs a bit more thinking on with the obvious hurdles there. My Surana was a bit of an Andrastian, but not especailly devout by any definition of the term. 

 

In origins it's very much a case of trying to steer her back to her true bard self and accepting that the wonderful beautiful woman they love has a faith they don't share but they respect that that faith is important to her. That's equally true of the one's with their own faith or just the ones paying lip service to Andrastianism. My warden's generally view the chantry as in need of reform.The left hand seems an ideal job for hardened Leliana and i very much view my wardens as being very supportive of her taking it. Equally by the time the Divine job rolls round they generally see it as the once in a lifetime chance to perform surgery on the Chantry.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

You crazy Europeans, living in the future. It's all dark. It's time for some kind of Nyquil (with extra drowse.)

 

I might as well be one of you with the way my sleeping patterns work nowadays. :S

 

 

My Brosca Warden had no strong feelings one way or the other. She definitely wouldn't want her girlfriend to become the Divine though. That right there could only end badly, enough of that **** 

 

*covertly high-fives you*

 

team 'to hell with all of this we're going on a long vacation' for life.   

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

*covertly high-fives you*

 

team 'to hell with all of this we're going on a long vacation' for life. 

 

Where have you got in mind? My Brosca's a Paragon, she could afford tickets to anywhere. Wouldn't trust her to choose though seeing as the Denerim Alienage seemed like a nice place to her. 

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Where have you got in mind? My Brosca's a Paragon, she could afford tickets to anywhere. Wouldn't trust her to choose though seeing as the Denerim Alienage seemed like a nice place to her. 

 

Sunny Antiva. Maybe Rivain. Somewhere nice and secluded for a while. But somewhere they could totally still find nonsense to get up to whenever they feel like it. Probably Antiva, then. Josephine can give them a tour, show them the best parties if need be. Find a summer home somewhere.

 

On the adventurous side...maybe Arlathan...Warden would be all over that...

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Yeah, that. They'd go adventurin' up there while in Antiva. Opportunities are truly limitless. :S

[Basement Cat]

Sunny Antiva. Maybe Rivain. Somewhere nice and secluded for a while. But somewhere they could totally still find nonsense to get up to whenever they feel like it. Probably Antiva, then. Josephine can give them a tour, show them the best parties if need be. Find a summer home somewhere.

 

On the adventurous side...maybe Arlathan...Warden would be all over that...

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Yeah, that. They'd go adventurin' up there while in Antiva. Opportunities are truly limitless. :S

If they go to Antiva and Antiva City is like Venice, they might want to skip it. I hear the smell is dreadful. Perhaps Antiva has a Tuscanny equivalent somewhere?

 

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

If they go to Antiva and Antiva City is like Venice, they might want to skip it. I hear the smell is dreadful. Perhaps Antiva has a Tuscanny equivalent somewhere?

 

*snip*

 

You get used to the smell after a while. Slowly. I only spent a few months there at one point, the residents have adapted. :S

 

Somewhere Tuscany-esque works too. That'll be the summer home right there. Something serene about dem rolling hills I've always loved, y'know.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Basement Cat]

You get used to the smell after a while. Slowly. I only spent a few months there at one point, the residents have adapted. :S

 

Somewhere Tuscany-esque works too. That'll be the summer home right there. Something serene about dem rolling hills I've always loved, y'know.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Still, as bad as it can get today, imagine in a medieval setting... *shudder*

 

A Tuscanny-like place seems ideal. That's where the best wine is made.

[Miss Quisitor]

Lels needs to lay off the elf root

 

Does elfroot make you grow pointy ears?  

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

A Tuscanny-like place seems ideal. That's where the best wine is made.

 

My Warden's more a forest-ey person though, I reckon. Somewhere like the Dolomites area would work too. Assuming Antiva works exactly like Italy does. :S

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Secluded, though. It'd just be the getaway. For when they get tired of Antivans. Build a cottage or something. They have nothing but time to kill. :S

[Basement Cat]

My Warden's more a forest-ey person though, I reckon. Somewhere like the Dolomites area would work too. Assuming Antiva works exactly like Italy does. :S

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Secluded, though. It'd just be the getaway. For when they get tired of Antivans. Build a cottage or something. They have nothing but time to kill. :S

Ooh, that's pretty! Looks like a good place for skinny dipping. 

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Ooh, that's pretty! Looks like a good place for skinny dipping. 

 

Totally not a thought that crossed my mind too when I saw it. Nope, definitely not.

 

Yeah I totally thought that too. 

 

may or may not be why I chose it :S