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[thesuperdarkone2]

Where are people getting the default game state? I'm with a new keep character and Leliana is still my default Divine. Did anyone boasting about Divine Cass being the default ever choose anyone else as Divine or only ever gotten Cass as Divine as Leliana is the only Divine I see.

[thesuperdarkone2]

A question to all the people boasting about Cass being the default Divine: Did your playthroughs ever have anyone else as Divine or have you only done playthroughs where Cass is Divine as Leliana is the only Divine in all of my Keep states so I think you people might be disappointed if turns out Cass isn't the default.

[GenericEnemy]

Cassandra is showing up as the default for me, and I've done a play through for all 3.

[Xilizhra]

I love it when people call Cassandra 'so conservative' just because she doesn't go and completely tear the system down.

Bah. Don't have the energy for a Divine argument.

The system itself is overconservative and broken, not to mention already torn down. What Cassandra does is build a copy of the old system back up.

[mrcrazyman]

Whenever I boot up a state and edit the screen has female rogue Trevyelan, deny being the herald, allied mages, recruit wardens, Celene alone, Morrigan drank and Cass divine(I both Cass and Lel unlocked). Until they actually say something I wouldn't be convinced on any default especially given the keep issues (and it's not like the default matters anyways)

[AresKeith]

The system itself is overconservative and broken, not to mention already torn down. What Cassandra does is build a copy of the old system back up.

 

not really

[Xilizhra]

Who do you find more conservative? Her or Viv? Viv's presence itself is radical..but not her ideas.

I kind of hate both of them and think they have the same problems, but I would marginally prefer Vivienne because she at least has some degree of political skill and is less prone to being steered by other people.

[Barquiel]

I think Cassandra means well (unlike Vivienne)...she simply wants the Circle run as they were originally intended. The problem is that it didn't work the first time, why should it work now? Justinia was also sympathetic to the mages and she couldn't stop the abuses. I think Cassandra is better as Lady(?) seeker...helping Leliana.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I think Cassandra means well (unlike Vivienne)...she simply wants the Circle run as they were originally intended. The problem is that it didn't work the first time, why should it work now? Justinia was also sympathetic to the mages and she couldn't stop the abuses. I think Cassandra is better as Lady(?) seeker...helping Leliana.

Heck, if Cass doesn't get any help, she winds up being a horrible divine. Just look at this:

http://youtu.be/JSWK-C-w5SY?t=28m54s

 

Plus, Cass reforms are way too broad. How close will the Templars be to the circle? Will mages still have children taken away? Plus, lots of dialogue pretty much shows that despite her not hating mages as much, she doesn't really like them all that well and would likely throw them under the bus if she had too. Don't forget how she prefers force to negotiations. If the Inquisitor doesn't help her, she's horrible as Divine. Leliana and Vivienne at least have political knowledge and could navigate the minefield of politics. Cass would navigate it as well as a bull in a china shop. 

 

Leliana is my preferred Divine as she both gives mages and non-humans more rights and she is both politically acute and very faithful. I consider her to be perfect for the job.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

If you don't do her personal quest, Leliana completely fails as Divine too. Your point?

I think Cassandra means well (unlike Vivienne)...she simply wants the Circle run as they were originally intended. The problem is that it didn't work the first time, why should it work now?

I'll certainly take it over mages having zero monitoring whatsoever.

I think Cassandra is better as Divine, with Leliana...enjoying her life somewhere far away with a particular Grey Warden. Leliana is far too succeptible to other people's influence for me to trust her in a leadership role anyway.

urgh I said I don't want to do this

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Cass is more compassionate than you're giving her credit for.

I know right, seriously, she turns the Chantry's focus almost entirely towards charity for the poor and generally downtrodden. Cassandra has always had a good heart. And her's isn't quite as easily swayed as Leliana's is.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

A question to all the people boasting about Cass being the default Divine: Did your playthroughs ever have anyone else as Divine or have you only done playthroughs where Cass is Divine as Leliana is the only Divine in all of my Keep states so I think you people might be disappointed if turns out Cass isn't the default.

 

Just booted up new keep, Cass stil divine, mages still recruited, wardens recruited, Celene rules.

 

[WildOrchid]

I know right, seriously, she turns the Chantry's focus almost entirely towards charity for the poor and generally downtrodden.

 

*Sera greatly approves*

 

Srsly tho, Cass for Divine 2k15.

 

 

Also i'd love to screenshot my default state to prove if Cass is default but Keep is messing with me rn.

[Xilizhra]

I know right, seriously, she turns the Chantry's focus almost entirely towards charity for the poor and generally downtrodden. Cassandra has always had a good heart. And her's isn't quite as easily swayed as Leliana's is.

Leliana does the same thing while actually fixing the Chantry's other problems at the same time. And you're giving your ostensible lover depressingly little credit.

 

I also don't think Cassandra's heart is "good" per se. I think she's lawful neutral with a few streaks of goodness. Leliana is genuinely good.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I think Cassandra means well (unlike Vivienne)...she simply wants the Circle run as they were originally intended. The problem is that it didn't work the first time, why should it work now? Justinia was also sympathetic to the mages and she couldn't stop the abuses. I think Cassandra is better as Lady(?) seeker...helping Leliana.

 

A system that lasted nearly a thousand years before entering a crisis is a system worth updating rather than throwing out.

[Xilizhra]

A system that lasted nearly a thousand years before entering a crisis is a system worth updating rather than throwing out.

The system is already in ruins. It's already destroyed. We wouldn't be throwing anything out; something new has to be built no matter what.

 

 

I'll certainly take it over mages having zero monitoring whatsoever.

If mages didn't naturally monitor themselves, Tevinter would have fallen to abomination cascades thousands of years ago.

 

 

We must be playing a different game.

What, the game where Cassandra tries to get me to imprison and indenture hundreds of refugees and force them to do my magical dirty work? Did you not play that one?

[Barquiel]

I know right, seriously, she turns the Chantry's focus almost entirely towards charity for the poor and generally downtrodden. Cassandra has always had a good heart. And her's isn't quite as easily swayed as Leliana's is.

 

Leliana dedicates the Chantry to charity...I don't see anything about Cassandra doing the same in her epilogue.

Leliana: One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Leliana as successor to the Sunburst Throne. Given the name Divine Victoria, she first declares an end to the Circle of Magi; the mages will now govern themselves.
She opens the priesthood to other races, declares support for the Inquisition, and rededicates the Chantry to the principle of charity.

Cassandra: One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Cassandra as successor to the Sunburst Throne. Given the name Divine Victoria, she immediately enacts reform: a new Templar Order, and a new Circle of Magi.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Cassandra lawful neutral because she wanted imprison inq but leliana that waned cut bard tongue for insulting inquisition good? yeah...   

 

 

Leliana dedicates the Chantry to charity...I don't see anything about Cassandra doing the same in her epilogue.

Leliana: One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Leliana as successor to the Sunburst Throne. Given the name Divine Victoria, she first declares an end to the Circle of Magi; the mages will now govern themselves.
She opens the priesthood to other races, declares support for the Inquisition, and rededicates the Chantry to the principle of charity.

Cassandra: One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Cassandra as successor to the Sunburst Throne. Given the name Divine Victoria, she immediately enacts reform: a new Templar Order, and a new Circle of Magi.

 

From what i know Cassandra pretty much says the same about what she wants to reform difference was that epilogue didn't say what she reformed.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Leliana does the same thing while actually fixing the Chantry's other problems at the same time.

I don't even consider your 'problems' the problem.

I think mages being completely unmonitored is a bigger problem.

And you're giving your ostensible lover depressingly little credit. 

Or I actually recognize her flaws.

I also don't think Cassandra's heart is "good" per se. I think she's lawful neutral with a few streaks of goodness. Leliana is genuinely good.

I'm guessing we played a different game here, or you're letting your apparently very personal problems with her views get in the way here, because Cassandra was most certainly someone with a desire to do good for the world.

[Wulfram]

Leliana dedicates the Chantry to charity...I don't see anything about Cassandra doing the same in her epilogue.

 

She talks about it in dialogue.

 

Though the need to keep an eye on mages and templars might distract it from that purpose.