Sigh, this makes it sound like curing the calling was just an excuse to keep the Warden away from the DAI plot. Hopefully it won't get shrugged off as a failure.
Yep, they should've used a different reason if the point behind it was only to keep the Warden away.It would be silly imo if it doesn't get referenced again. If it doesn't I'll have to assume warden fails and returns to leliana for final year or two till his calling. As if he actually was able to cure the taint that would have huge repercussions that he just wouldn't keep to himself.
That is how I feel about it in Origins, myself.
In Inquisition, though, I feel totally different.
With the traitor, the only outcome I can really accept from telling her to back down is saying that she should take the traitor alive for information (though I still find it a little stupid, as if the Inquisitior knows better than an actual, experienced spymaster). The "Ideals are exactly what we need right now!" line might just be the worst quote in the entire game, IMO.
But telling her to care about the soldiers/agents on the field is just ... do not even get me started.
And, when it came to it, I had no issue with her slaying that 'sister in the Chantry.
Keep in mind that the scene right before that one shows that Leliana is clearly in great distress over the events of the conclave. A minute ago she was lashing out angrily at the Maker, the next she's making executive decisions. Even the most experienced people make mistakes, particularly under the influence of strong emotions. For me that's enough to call her judgment into question.
As for the Inquisitor knowing better: it's possible they do depending on their background. The dwarf and the human in particular can potentially know quite a bit about intrigue, blackmail, assassination and other tools of the spy trade.
Granted it's a stretch for the qunari and elf, but maybe they just know people and they can tell she's not at her most rational and clear headed.
Well, well, look what else Weekes says about Divine Leliana:
http://www.reddit.co...east_right_now/
Marriage confirmed for romanced Divine Leliana.
if Leliana romanced hero of Ferelden, I could see her changing the rules to say the Divine can be married
Hmmm. It does make me wonder if that would apply to both Hero of Ferelden genders.
They damn well better at least bring the whole Calling cure thing up in the next games. Have northern Wardens talk about the HoF supposedly curing themselves, have tavern rumours about the Warden returning or something.
It'd be underwhelming as hell, but something needs to be there at least.
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Hmmm. It does make me wonder if that would apply to both Hero of Ferelden genders.
I don't think Leliana would hesitate to change the rules there, if there are any.
I don't think Leliana would hesitate to change the rules there, if there are any.
It does make me wonder somewhat what the point would be, though. Since Thedas doesn't really associate marriage with love all that much, and since there's no chance of them having biological children, and since there doesn't seem to be any real stigma about sex outside marriage, I don't quite see why it'd be done.
Hmmm. It does make me wonder if that would apply to both Hero of Ferelden genders.
Marriage seems to be mostly reproduction focused in Thedas, but I can see Leliana changing the rules to marry a female Warden as a symbolic gesture of sorts, consummated in the eyes of the Maker and all. Don't see why not, if she can dissolve Circles that's pretty much nothing.
It's not like there's much chance of her having children with a male Warden either, marriage would be mostly symbolic in either case
I still think curing the damned Calling is a ridiculous thing to leave to our imaginations. I also think it's pretty ridiculous to bring up this big plot point here, and then not do anything with it. Making the Warden's last hurrah...a few lines of text.
If BioWare is so content to leave the Warden's fate entirely to headcanon, they better not keep bringing back characters that are important to many people's Wardens for cameos while leaving the Warden themself in the dust until the end of time. So this "awesome story, rode off into the sunset" thing can actually be true. And so Leliana's romanced dialogue in DA:I won't be completely forgotten.
For now, I'll give Weekes the benefit of the doubt and assume he's not going to do that, and continue believing my Warden will return to Thedas, she'll leave the Wardens for good, Leliana will quit the Inquisition for good, and the two of them will run off adventuring until the end of their days. Somewhere sunny, usually. Build a cottage for the occasional much-needed downtime. Yeah.
I'm trusting you to not **** it up, BioWare.
Keep in mind it could be marketing speak. If BioWare wanted to do something with the Warden they would not talk about it until it's official announcement.
Time will tell though.
Unhardened Leliana seems to associate marriage with love. That's why she ends the relationship if the Warden gets married.
Though I doubt Bioware would have the Warden marry off screen without player input.
It'd be funny if it was based on previous choices. I had this idea built up that you had to have both the Architect alive.. and let Avernus commit his freakish experiments.. and then you could cure the Calling by adding their research with whatever the Warden is doing.
But then, just for doing that, you'd have terrible consequences too.
Eh.. oh well.
I would so laugh if they did something like that.
Seeing how they've apparently decided this whole plotline isn't worth actually doing anything with for whatever reason, making it fail at this point would really feel like nothing more than a pointless "**** you" to people who are attached to their Wardens. They'd dangle that little bit of hope in front of us in an underwhelming off-screen fashion, and then take it away in an underwhelming off-screen fashion.
Yeah, no.
The only way the warden issue will ever be settled, is if they kill them off. Even if they did give some sort of happy-ending; there would still be people asking to bring back The Warden. Death or a major time-skip is the only way they can resolve it imo.
Personally I found the idea of marriage for any LIs is a little bit... unsettling. I can understand that it's many players' fantasy to have their Wardens marrying their love interests, but the idea is simply unappealing for me. Even for a character like Leliana whose ideal about Love (with capital-L) is more sugary than someone like Alistair or Morrigan, I just.. think it's a heavy-handed idea.
So far we only see marriage as a form of political bargain in Thedas (well arguably the Warden and Alistair isn't), so I just don't see the reason why it is necessary to be added to the game as a part of romantic subplot. Thankfully Wardens are most of the time infertile so Bioware doesn't have to add unnecessary complications with the existence of heir.
Personally I found the idea of marriage for any LIs is a little bit... unsettling. I can understand that it's many players' fantasy to have their Wardens marrying their love interests, but the idea is simply unappealing for me. Even for a character like Leliana whose ideal about Love (with capital-L) is more sugary than someone like Alistair or Morrigan, I just.. think it's a heavy-handed idea.
So far we only see marriage as a form of political bargain in Thedas (well arguably the Warden and Alistair isn't), so I just don't see the reason why it is necessary to be added to the game as a part of romantic subplot. Thankfully Wardens are most of the time infertile so Bioware doesn't have to add unnecessary complications with the existence of heir.
Meh, sometimes I think they should just ad a Dragon Age expansion pack for the Sims.
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I kind of wonder now what the nature of marriage is in the Chantry. Is it a "sacrament"? Or have any ideals about "becoming one" in a symbolic sense.
Or is it just politically/financially motivated.
It seemed like they copied the 7 deadly sins from Catholicism, but not the 7 sacraments.
I don't really care. It just seems like a whole civilization viewing marriage as mostly political to be a cynical stance to take. This is Vivienne's view, but don't know if it's everyone.
They damn well better at least bring the whole Calling cure thing up in the next games. Have northern Wardens talk about the HoF supposedly curing themselves, have tavern rumours about the Warden returning or something.
It'd be underwhelming as hell, but something needs to be there at least.
If the game ever goes to Weisshaupt i would hope it would be an issue that is part of the plot. They'd just have to work out a substiitute behind it in dead warden's scenario.
Tavern rumours if the game doesn't deal with wardens would be perfectly fine.
Hmmm. It does make me wonder if that would apply to both Hero of Ferelden genders.
Why wouldn't it?
I mean, I would think it's only fair.
yeah there is rarely happily ever after in Bioware's world...Bastila lost Revan, Shepard...well don't even go there.
Probably the only one who turned out ok was my Spirit Monk and that's because they only made one Jade Empire
I kind of wonder now what the nature of marriage is in the Chantry. Is it a "sacrament"? Or have any ideals about "becoming one" in a symbolic sense.
Or is it just politically/financially motivated.
It seemed like they copied the 7 deadly sins from Catholicism, but not the 7 sacraments.
I don't really care. It just seems like a whole civilization viewing marriage as mostly political to be a cynical stance to take. This is Vivienne's view, but don't know if it's everyone.
I think to some extent marriage has a sacrament value in it, though I don't think the Chantry creates any binding rule (something like chastity for vowed Sisters) for common folks who wants to get married (hell, the Chantry itself doesn't give a **** about one's sexuality so I think it's reasonable if Chantry doesn't create any rule for marriage). Andraste herself had a husband, so yeah, I guess to some extent there's a religious value involved in marriage.
I'm just saying that I have never been a fan of my PCs getting married to their LIs. It's just too cheesy for my taste, though I won't blatantly oppose people who think it is a nice addition for romantic subplot.
Sigh, this makes it sound like curing the calling was just an excuse to keep the Warden away from the DAI plot.
lol, I'd say it was.
They needed something big to keep them away. If not, it would be weird that the Warden wouldn't want to help out the Inquisition in some capacity, even if they didn't become the Inquisitor (just an NPC like Hawke).
lol, I'd say it was.
They needed something big to keep them away. If not, it would be weird that the Warden wouldn't want to help out the Inquisition in some capacity, even if they didn't become the Inquisitor (just an NPC like Hawke).
I thought that was obvious, to be honest.
Love is...
Personally I found the idea of marriage for any LIs is a little bit... unsettling. I can understand that it's many players' fantasy to have their Wardens marrying their love interests, but the idea is simply unappealing for me. Even for a character like Leliana whose ideal about Love (with capital-L) is more sugary than someone like Alistair or Morrigan, I just.. think it's a heavy-handed idea.
So far we only see marriage as a form of political bargain in Thedas (well arguably the Warden and Alistair isn't), so I just don't see the reason why it is necessary to be added to the game as a part of romantic subplot. Thankfully Wardens are most of the time infertile so Bioware doesn't have to add unnecessary complications with the existence of heir.
Hawke's parents married for love. So did Aveline and Donnic
They damn well better at least bring the whole Calling cure thing up in the next games. Have northern Wardens talk about the HoF supposedly curing themselves, have tavern rumours about the Warden returning or something.
It'd be underwhelming as hell, but something needs to be there at least.
Or just have us help the HoF personally in their journey for the cure of the calling. That would make an good questline on it's own. And if the HoF is dead, just use an placeholder, similar to Loghain and Alistair.
lol, I'd say it was.
They needed something big to keep them away. If not, it would be weird that the Warden wouldn't want to help out the Inquisition in some capacity, even if they didn't become the Inquisitor (just an NPC like Hawke).
Warden helping the Inquisition = "Hey, Inquisitor, drag along. I'll defeat everything, and you'll just waggle your fingers."
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