15916 réponses à ce sujet

[LadyStoneheart]

My very first Warden was a female Cousland, my second one was a female Tabris and I loved that playthrough so much that I put her in my "canon" world state. Then I tried to play as a male Amell because I wanted to try a different origin and romance Morrigan but I didn't even get to the Joining, it just didn't work for me. I played all the other origins after that, but never as a dude.

[jlb524]

Yeah, it kinda showed. I don't think the discrepancies with the other three races are quite as bad as they're talked up to be, but my Adaar...I liked her, but she did feel a bit tacked on. Every Warden felt like a natural fit, (even if I could only get into one) but non-human Inquisitors didn't feel quite as well accommodated for. Hopefully DA4 is made with races from the get-go.

 

Though, my Lavellan clicked better for me. Maybe because she had what is probably the most plot-relevant romance, I guess.

 

I prefer Lavellan (and I don't even romance Solas) just for their war table missions.  They just seem like they can make an impact and I'm more attached to the background I guess?  This is as long as you don't fail them, ofc.

 

The other race's missions were kinda lacking.

 

For Leliana romance, I only romance her with female elves it seems.  I did like my female Amell pt too though.

[Jaison1986]

I'd say Dalish Elf, City Elf, and Dwarf Commoner are probably my favourite origins. The first one's the only one I've played to completion but I have played the intros for each origin.

 

I did like my Brosca. Named him Bjorn, gave him an awesome stache and a snarky personality. He just wasn't 'the Warden' to me, tbh.

 

Huh, I somehow never managed to get into the Dalish Origin. The only thing I liked was the whole Tamlen deal if the warden is female. My favourites are the human noble Origin (not the origin itself, it was a bit boring to be honest) mostly for all the unique content and dialogue you get during the game, city elf origin as female and dwarf commoner origin.

From an story perspective, I think human noble and dwarf noble are the Origins that makes most sense, since these particular wardens have training for leadership, rather then the other variants that don't know squat about being a leader.

[wright1978]

My first warden was a Dalish male but that got abandoned as i just wasn't feeling it. Never been able to complete that origin.

When i came back to DAO it was the Cousland origin, which i enjoyed. My canon warden ended up being a hardened take on this origin and him and hardened Leliana were a perfect match.

City Elf origin vies with Cousland as my favourite. Done that as both female and male and both ended up with Leliana but for the male one she ended up being a substitute for Shianni who he wasn't able to be with.

I found the dwarven origins interesting but didn't get same sense of attachment those characters.

[Basement Cat]

Huh, I somehow never managed to get into the Dalish Origin. The only thing I liked was the whole Tamlen deal if the warden is female. My favourites are the human noble Origin (not the origin itself, it was a bit boring to be honest) mostly for all the unique content and dialogue you get during the game, city elf origin as female and dwarf commoner origin.

From an story perspective, I think human noble and dwarf noble are the Origins that makes most sense, since these particular wardens have training for leadership, rather then the other variants that don't know squat about being a leader.

But we weren't being recruited to be a leader. We were meant to be just another rank and file Warden, but circumstances (and Alistair) pushed us into the leadership role. Duncan recruits the PC for their fighting abilities, not their leadership ones.
 

[jlb524]

I always thought a mage Warden might make the most story sense since I figure Duncan would prioritize going to the Circle and getting a mage first (since there's the rule that the GWs are entitled to one mage from each Circle). The Circle trip also served a double purpose to recruit more mages for the king's army.

I bet Duncan had a list of potential recruits (a Circle mage, the Cousland, the City Elf who is the child of an old friend) and the one who ends up a The Warden got lucky that Duncan went to them first (he never got time to recruit the others). These all still work even if I think Duncan would prioritize a mage first as he might have been closer to Denerim and got the CE first instead.

With some Origins, Duncan didn't have them on the list and their recruitment was unplanned (Dalish, Dwarf Commoner, etc.). With my Dalish Warden, I like to think that Duncan was on his way to recruit from some of the potentials listed above when he came upon the tainted eluvian and got delayed. He made the best out of the situation and got a recruit still.

Something I always liked about a Dalish Warden is that they would bring the most experience with traveling the Ferelden wilderness (which is most of what you do in game lol). Morrigan has some experience but I don't think she traveled far from the Kokari Wilds. So the whole Ranger Warden thing is kind of neat (and Leliana can help you deal with cities xd).

[WardenHero]

I'm seeing a lot of this "Leliana-is-better-off-with-females" kind of thing rather strange. I know it's just an opinion but I've done several playthroughs that involve romancing Leliana as both male and female Wardens and didn't see anything different. Don't get me wrong, both are rather interesting. I just don't know what gives people the idea that Leliana is into women. Despite her life is full of influential women, I don't see how that affects her preferences. My life is full of capable women indeed but sometimes I'd like some men who can really do something. Kinda tired of seeing them sitting at the side and giving the girls in charge a 'meh'.

 

Anyway back to the topic...

 

Playing a male Warden, Leliana plays hard to get and would prefer old fashioned chivalry, gentlemen making the first move sort of thing. She'd go on and on about "making the lady spill her guts" thing if you hold back your feelings and let her confess to you first. There are also lots of party banter regarding Leliana's relationship with a male Warden. A simultaneous relationship with Morrigan and Leliana can even prompt a rather amusing banter between Wynne and Oghren.

 

The only time where people talk about Leliana's relationship with a female Warden includes Wynne's motherly talk, Morrigan and Alistair prodding you and that's it. I tried romancing Alistair/Zevran and Leliana at the same time but I hear no gossiping from the others. Glitch? Devs forgetting to add something in there?

 

As a female Warden, Leliana makes her move first. At first I thought she is just being friendly by commenting on my hair then suddenly I got ninja-romanced later on. It's a rather pleasant surprise for me. 

 

All in all, Leliana's romance with Wardens of either gender is the same really. As a bard, Leliana learns not to discriminate. Hence her bisexuality. The Maker wants His children to share all that love blessings after all. 

[jlb524]

My Dalish hated it too and I picked every "No!" response when Duncan was trying to recruit her (I think he actually had to invoke the Right of Conscription). She was even pretty bitter towards Marethari for awhile.

Hmmm...she might have murder knifed the merchant in Lothering and threatened a Chantry mother shortly after all this happened.

That was a fun playthrough.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Deleted dialogue implies that Cassandra is afraid of horses... Weird considering her default card has her riding one.

Well, glad to know I'm not the only one who sensed the irony there...
 

I always thought a mage Warden might make the most story sense since I figure Duncan would prioritize going to the Circle and getting a mage first (since there's the rule that the GWs are entitled to one mage from each Circle). The Circle trip also served a double purpose to recruit more mages for the king's army.

I bet Duncan had a list of potential recruits (a Circle mage, the Cousland, the City Elf who is the child of an old friend) and the one who ends up a The Warden got lucky that Duncan went to them first (he never got time to recruit the others). These all still work even if I think Duncan would prioritize a mage first as he might have been closer to Denerim and got the CE first instead.

With some Origins, Duncan didn't have them on the list and their recruitment was unplanned (Dalish, Dwarf Commoner, etc.). With my Dalish Warden, I like to think that Duncan was on his way to recruit from some of the potentials listed above when he came upon the tainted eluvian and got delayed. He made the best out of the situation and got a recruit still.

Something I always liked about a Dalish Warden is that they would bring the most experience with traveling the Ferelden wilderness (which is most of what you do in game lol). Morrigan has some experience but I don't think she traveled far from the Kokari Wilds. So the whole Ranger Warden thing is kind of neat (and Leliana can help you deal with cities xd).

Good analysis (though I'm not sure he would necessarily prioritize going to the Circle). It would make sense if he had a full list of potential recruits but never got around to getting to them all.

 

Imagine if he had recruited a Dalish and a CE. That could have been interesting.

[Basement Cat]

*snip for space*

 

All in all, Leliana's romance with Wardens of either gender is the same really. As a bard, Leliana learns not to discriminate. Hence her bisexuality. The Maker wants His children to share all that love blessings after all. 

I agree with most of what you said, but this bit here has unfortunate implications out the wazoo. Her job and her sexuality have nothing to do with each other. You can't become straight/bi/gay/other, you just are.

 

I don't want to get on a soap box here, but ouch.

[WardenHero]

I agree with most of what you said, but this bit here has unfortunate implications out the wazoo. Her job and her sexuality have nothing to do with each other. You can't become straight/bi/gay/other, you just are.

 

 

My apologies.

 

I assume that she mixed pleasure with business during her time as a bard, just like Zevran did. I romanced Zev as a male Warden and questioned his taste in men and he mentioned something about not being picky. What I'm trying to say is romancing a Warden of either gender doesn't bug Leliana one bit is all.

[LadyStoneheart]

As a bard, Leliana learns not to discriminate. Hence her bisexuality.

 

 

I hope you are not trying to say that bisexuality can be somehow learned or that her life as a bard affected her sexual orientation, because... no.

[WardenHero]

I hope you are not trying to say that bisexuality can be somehow learned or that her life as a bard affected her sexual orientation, because... no.

 

I did apologise for that mistake earlier. I can go back and edit that post if it pleases everyone but that would be rather shifty of me to do so. Best to be honest about my mistakes and leave it at that.

[Basement Cat]

My apologies.

 

I assume that she mixed pleasure with business during her time as a bard, just like Zevran did. I romanced Zev as a male Warden and questioned his taste in men and he mentioned something about not being picky. What I'm trying to say is romancing a Warden of either gender doesn't bug Leliana one bit is all.

She did mix business with pleasure, but that does not mean it made her bisexual, which is what you seem to be implying. Or that straight/gay people are just picky.

 

My point: if Leliana was a lesbian and slept with guys as part of her job, that would not make her 'less' of a lesbian or a bisexual. It would make her someone who uses sex as a tool. That's it.

 

We know Leliana is bisexual. She goes for either gender. It's just that there are some (myself included) who feel that she has a little bit of a preference for women (like some have a preference for blondes for example) based on a few things in the game.

[WardenHero]

 

We know Leliana is bisexual. She goes for either gender. It's just that there are some (myself included) who feel that she has a little bit of a preference for women (like some have a preference for blondes for example) based on a few things in the game.

 

What are those things exactly? I very much like to know what gives people this vibe about Leliana's preference for women.

[LadyStoneheart]

I did apologise for that mistake earlier. I can go back and edit that post if it pleases everyone but that would be rather shifty of me to do so. Best to be honest about my mistakes and leave it at that.

 

It's ok, I just hadn't read your reply yet when I sent my post. 

[Basement Cat]

What are those things exactly? I very much like to know what gives people this vibe about Leliana's preference for women.

Here's my list:

1. Her comments about the other lay sisters in the Chantry. (so chaste and virtuous, added to their mystique, etc.) 

2. She asks Zevran for his opinion about a girl in a village (party banter).

3. She stares at Morrigan's breasts while giving her 'fashion advice' (party banter)

4. She makes the first move with a female Warden. (hair conversation)

Edit: 5. She outright tells the Templar guarding the boat at the Circle that she is a poetess (euphemism for lesbian) and she offers to regale him with tales 'debauchery' as she says. 

 

That's about it off the top of my head. I think there was something else... I'll take a look when I get home. I don't think she has any lines where she admires the male form.

[Jaison1986]

My Dalish hated it too and I picked every "No!" response when Duncan was trying to recruit her (I think he actually had to invoke the Right of Conscription). She was even pretty bitter towards Marethari for awhile.

Hmmm...she might have murder knifed the merchant in Lothering and threatened a Chantry mother shortly after all this happened.

That was a fun playthrough.

 

Good times, reminds me of my Surana, she was evil incarnate, she got almost as much people killed as the darkspawn did. It's really annoying how Alistair tries to make you look like an jerk if you don't glorify Duncan like he does. I got an -20 from him when I told him Duncan deserved to die.

 

As for Leliana preference, I never noticed, but she might have an preference for woman, after all she had that big admiration deal for Marjolaine, so maybe that stuck on her.

[Basement Cat]

I don't know any either. They should have made her lesbian though, if it meant something more.

 

About the only stretch I'll make is how she romanticizes about eternal love and death.. and the constellation of the lovers in the stars. She's at least open to using a m/f romance to illustrate your own.

Nah. It's nice to have a bisexual character who steps away from the 'sleep with all that moves' stereotype. Also a female bisexual who is not shy about her liking women is a pretty rare thing in media in general.

 

Leliana is just fine the way she is. 

[WardenHero]

Still, I find there are a lot more party banter concerning a male Warden's relationship with Leliana compared to a female Warden. Kinda makes me wonder if BW intended to make Leliana a straight romance option from the beginning but scrapped the idea since Morrigan already filled that part.

[WardenHero]

Edit: 5. She outright tells the Templar guarding the boat at the Circle that she is a poetess (euphemism for lesbian) and she offers to regale him with tales 'debauchery' as she says.

 
Ah yes... the poetess part. All this time I assume "poetess" means, well..., a female poet, nothing more. The Templar probably thought she is a courtesan. Regaling someone with racy stuff hasn't got anything to do with one's sexual orientation though. Anybody can do that. It'd only takes someone with really "interesting" experience in such things to embellish it. 
 
My Warden who is romancing Leliana at the time would've hog-tied that Templar up and thrown him into the lake for suggesting leaving Leliana with him.
 

Spoiler

Not sorry that I killed him in DAI.

 
Or he and Alistair would probably go "La la la... I'm not listening...." all the way during the boat ride. 

[Han Shot First]

The only thing that makes me think Leliana has a slight preference for women is that she makes the first move with a woman. 

 

That is my take as well. and my canon Warden is a male Cousland. 

 

I think regardless of gender the relationship's end state is the same. If she's the LI she ends up head over heels for a Warden of either gender, but I think it takes her a little bit longer to develop an initial interest in a male Warden..where with the female Warden there is an attraction from the start. With the male Warden I think it's more after she gets to know him.