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[Basement Cat]

Still, I find there are a lot more party banter concerning a male Warden's relationship with Leliana compared to a female Warden. Kinda makes me wonder if BW intended to make Leliana a straight romance option from the beginning but scrapped the idea since Morrigan already filled that part.

Or maybe they intended her to be bisexual from the start? Sure the F!Warden version doesn't have the cat fight (makes sense) and no comments from the others in banter, but otherwise the content is pretty even and she has different lines for male and female in some conversations.

[Han Shot First]

I think it is unlikely that Leliana was ever intended to be straight at some point in development, considering her personal quest with Marjolaine. Her backstory has her in a relationship with another woman. I agree with Basement Cat that she was probably always intended to be bi, and the writers just threw in some small details that differed depending on whether the Warden romancing her was male or female. Leliana flirts with fem Warden earlier, and male Wardens get more banter from companions.

 

On a side I think it is cool that there are some small differences. Usually when a character is romanceable by a PC of either gender the content is identical for both versions of the player character. 

[jlb524]

I always thought the lack of F/F banter for Leliana was more of a Dev oversight and less of a statement about her sexuality.

[wright1978]

I think it is unlikely that Leliana was ever intended to be straight at some point in development, considering her personal quest with Marjolaine. Her backstory has her in a relationship with another woman. I agree with Basement Cat that she was probably always intended to be bi, and the writers just threw in some small details that differed depending on whether the Warden romancing her was male or female. Leliana flirts with fem Warden earlier, and male Wardens get more banter from companions.

 

On a side I think it is cool that there are some small differences. Usually when a character is romanceable by a PC of either gender the content is identical for both versions of the player character. 

 

I agree she was likely always the bi option. Yeah i think it is cool there are small differences, even if people trying to use those small differences to infer a preference that doesn't exist on her part gets my heckles up.

[WardenHero]

Good point. Totally forgot about that Marjolaine bit. Forget about what I said previously then. It looks like male Wardens have to put in that extra effort to romance Leliana. Doesn't make her any less bi nonetheless. 

 

EDIT: I agree with the small differences though. Otherwise it will be DA II all over again. Making everyone bi is a little over the top really. Some variety would be nice.

[Han Shot First]

I also kind of liked that Bioware created some bi characters who have a slight preference for one gender, rather than having them all being equally into both. I think that more accurately reflects the real world.

 

Josephine is sort of the reverse of Leliana, IMO. She's bi but with a slight preference for men. 

[Basement Cat]

I also kind of liked that Bioware created some bi characters who have a slight preference for one gender, rather than having them all being equally into both. I think that more accurately reflects the real world.

 

Josephine is sort of the reverse of Leliana, IMO. She's bi but with a slight preference for men. 

I thought that too. She talks about men (Blackwall if neither is romanced and there is that in the IB romance) but never about women. And for all the absence of a sex scene, Josephine definitely has a naughty streak. The way she eyes Cullen in the Wicked Grace scene... She's not the least bit embarrassed to have a naked man sitting across from her.

 

It's easy to see why she would be good friends with Leliana. Pity the fool who incurs both their wrath. *eek!*

[wright1978]

I also kind of liked that Bioware created some bi characters who have a slight preference for one gender, rather than having them all being equally into both. I think that more accurately reflects the real world.

 

Josephine is sort of the reverse of Leliana, IMO. She's bi but with a slight preference for men. 

 

Can't comment on Josephine as i find her a plain uninteresting character so haven't ever romanced her but for previous bi characters i've romanced such perceived preferences are completely figments of the imagination imo.

[WardenHero]

Any hoo... 

 

I recall Josie mentioned something about throwing a ball to welcome Leliana's return to Orlais. I didn't know helping the Warden vanquishing the Blight can garner one lots of recognition, especially in Orlais. The Blight is a threat to all of Thedas, sure, but I thought Orlais couldn't care less about a Fereldan ending a Blight. I wonder what prompted Josie to throw a ball for Leliana.

 

I also wanted to know what can one person do with a ball of yarn, a measuring stick and a handkerchief. I can only think of making a simple but flimsy trip wire out of these. Anybody has other ideas? 

[Han Shot First]

Can't comment on Josephine as i find her a plain uninteresting character so haven't ever romanced her but for previous bi characters i've romanced such perceived preferences are completely figments of the imagination imo.

 

Not really.

 

Leliana has more flirtatious dialogue with fem Warden early in the game than she does with male Warden, and she had been in a long relationship with another woman. She also flirts with Morrigan briefly, before Morrigan ices her. With Josephine, as BC pointed out, outside of a fem Inquisitor she doesn't express an interest in female characters while she potentially does with a couple men. It's not a lot to go on to be sure, but there are some indications that they have preferences.

 

That isn't to say that Leliana is more into Fem Warden than male Warden at the end of DA:O, or that Josephine is more into a male Inquisitor than female at the end of DA:I. The end state of their relationship arcs is the same regardless of gender. It's just that had they never met the Warden/Inquisitor and dated many people, I'd expect Leliana to have more women in her past and Josephine more men. 

[Aimi]

I think it is unlikely that Leliana was ever intended to be straight at some point in development, considering her personal quest with Marjolaine. Her backstory has her in a relationship with another woman.

While that's true, I would like to point out that BioWare writers have written straight-only romances with bisexual women before. Kaliyo Djannis is the most glaring example, but one could argue that Jack fits that mold too.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think it is unlikely that Leliana was ever intended to be straight at some point in development, considering her personal quest with Marjolaine. Her backstory has her in a relationship with another woman. I agree with Basement Cat that she was probably always intended to be bi, and the writers just threw in some small details that differed depending on whether the Warden romancing her was male or female. Leliana flirts with fem Warden earlier, and male Wardens get more banter from companions.

It does seem obvious that she was always intended to go both ways. The fact that male Wardens get more banter is probably just an oversight and not indicative of her sexuality.

 

While that's true, I would like to point out that BioWare writers have written straight-only romances with bisexual women before. Kaliyo Djannis is the most glaring example, but one could argue that Jack fits that mold too.

I have little doubt that Jack was a bi romance at some point in development. It's all over her dialogue in ME2. Quite a few suggestive lines with FemShep.

[wright1978]

Not really.

 

Leliana has more flirtatious dialogue with fem Warden early in the game than she does with male Warden, and she had been in a long relationship with another woman. She also flirts with Morrigan briefly, before Morrigan ices her. With Josephine, as BC pointed out, outside of a fem Inquisitor she doesn't express an interest in female characters while she potentially does with a couple men. It's not a lot to go on to be sure, but there are some indications that they have preferences.

 

That isn't to say that Leliana is more into Fem Warden than male Warden at the end of DA:O, or that Josephine is more into a male Inquisitor than female at the end of DA:I. The end state of their relationship arcs is the same regardless of gender. It's just that had they never met the Warden/Inquisitor and dated many people, I'd expect Leliana to have more women in her past and Josephine more men. 

 

Don't think there's enough evidence to say they have preferences or what the balance of their past encounters have been. It's just people twisting lines imo.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Don't think there's enough evidence to say they have preferences or what the balance of their past encounters have been. It's just people twisting lines imo.

It's absolutely not evidence, just grounds from which you can reasonably infer that they do have preferences.

 

I've personally come to the same conclusion as many on these two.

[LadyStoneheart]

I also wanted to know what can one person do with a ball of yarn, a measuring stick and a handkerchief. I can only think of making a simple but flimsy trip wire out of these. Anybody has other ideas? 

This is why we need a prank war dlc

[Basement Cat]

It's absolutely not evidence, just grounds from which you can reasonably infer that they do have preferences.

 

I've personally come to the same conclusion as many on these two.

There is also latitude in what 'preference' means. Leliana has a roving eye and I think it's more likely to linger on women than men. That's it. And considering Morrigan's reaction to being the target of said roving eye, I'd say Leliana is pretty obvious about it too.

 

Ooh, I wonder if she has a pervy smile... We need pervy smile Leli art!

[WardenHero]

This is why we need a prank war dlc

 

Sera/Leliana/Josie/Varric? Cass is probably somewhere, cussing no doubt.

 

Please let this be real. Thedas could use a break.

[wright1978]

It's absolutely not evidence, just grounds from which you can reasonably infer that they do have preferences.

 

I've personally come to the same conclusion as many on these two.

 

I don't think you can reasonably infer they have preferences based on the extremely flimsy grounds.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Not sure what's so unreasonable here. A lot of bisexuals do have slight preferences, and if I had a gun to my head and was forced to pinpoint Leliana's, I'd say women. I think I'd survive that encounter.

Huh, I somehow never managed to get into the Dalish Origin. The only thing I liked was the whole Tamlen deal if the warden is female. My favourites are the human noble Origin (not the origin itself, it was a bit boring to be honest) mostly for all the unique content and dialogue you get during the game, city elf origin as female and dwarf commoner origin.
From an story perspective, I think human noble and dwarf noble are the Origins that makes most sense, since these particular wardens have training for leadership, rather then the other variants that don't know squat about being a leader.

Well that's just, like, your opinion man. When you look at the Dalish Origin over the course of the entire series, it actually has the most recognition of them all (Velanna's dialogue, Witch Hunt going right back to where you started, Arianne, the dozens of little references with Merrill and when you meet the Warden's old clan, Mahariel-Lavellan letter....) Makes for a very satisfying run through, IMO. The female Warden/Tamlen thing was also brought up more in Witch Hunt and gave me some great ways to develop the character.

Something I always liked about a Dalish Warden is that they would bring the most experience with traveling the Ferelden wilderness (which is most of what you do in game lol). Morrigan has some experience but I don't think she traveled far from the Kokari Wilds. So the whole Ranger Warden thing is kind of neat (and Leliana can help you deal with cities xd).

Exactly, I actually think they make the most sense leading the party; a Dalish Warden probably knows the lay of the land better than anyone else in the party, and seeing as they're wanted criminals, it's a good thing they have more than their fair share of experience evading humans in the wilds...

Also, as for female Warden/Leliana party banter, it's not like there's nothing there at all. She brings it up with Zevran, and I remember Shale having a banter about it. And while not party banter, Wynne, Morrigan and Alistair all talk about it with you. It's not like it gets no recognition from the party whatsoever, it's just missing the cat fight dialogue from Morrigan, obviously.

[erikdlan]

I thought that too. She talks about men (Blackwall if neither is romanced and there is that in the IB romance) but never about women. And for all the absence of a sex scene, Josephine definitely has a naughty streak. The way she eyes Cullen in the Wicked Grace scene... She's not the least bit embarrassed to have a naked man sitting across from her.

 

It's easy to see why she would be good friends with Leliana. Pity the fool who incurs both their wrath. *eek!*

And that's quite surprising for someone innocent in love. Isn't it? By the way still haven't seen any video where the Inquisitor wins and without the "I knew you'd win, my love." of Josie. Maybe Josie knew, because she played to make her love to win.

 

And yeah, being at the bad side of both Leliana and Josie would be a painful social suicide.

 

And speaking of Wicked Grace, do you think Leliana knows how to play Wicked Grace? Do you think she would be able to be a rival to the Antivan ambassador? I think Leliana would be a decent at Wicked Grace, but she would have a tendency for cheating. I think Josie is a better player if both play without cheating, but she would be less of a cheater than Leli. Somehow I think that if Leli had been present at that game it would have ended with more people naked...

[Fiery Phoenix]

I don't think you can reasonably infer they have preferences based on the extremely flimsy grounds.

Well, I think you can

 

It wouldn't be easy to say if this was a DA2 scenario where most love interests are decidedly ambiguous in terms of their sexualities (until recently when Dave declared they're all bi). But for Leli and Josie, I think there's something to see in their backgrounds that could suggest as much, regardless of whether the PC is male or female. They are more clearly defined in that aspect which makes it easier to make such a conclusion.

 

Again though, none of it can be considered hard evidence. They are just indications which may or may not be what they seem.

[AresKeith]

Well that's just, like, your opinion man. When you look at the Dalish Origin over the course of the entire series, it actually has the most recognition of them all (Velanna's dialogue, Witch Hunt going right back to where you started, Arianne, the dozens of little references with Merrill and when you meet the Warden's old clan, Mahariel-Lavellan letter....) Makes for a very satisfying run through, IMO. The female Warden/Tamlen thing was also brought up more in Witch Hunt and gave me some great ways to develop the character.
 

 

Couslands FTW

[WardenHero]

And speaking of Wicked Grace, do you think Leliana knows how to play Wicked Grace? Do you think she would be able to be a rival to the Antivan ambassador? I think Leliana would be a decent at Wicked Grace, but she would have a tendency for cheating. I think Josie is a better player if both play without cheating, but she would be less of a cheater than Leli. Somehow I think that if Leli had been present at that game it would have ended with more people naked...

 
I think it's safe to say Leliana's good at it. She assisted the Warden in a game of Wicked Grace with Isabela in DAO. In fact, I think Leliana can ace all stealthy, sneaky games such as Wicked Grace. Leliana trying to cheat at a chess match with Cullen proves as much. Cullen still wins and chess requires good strategy skills, not them sneaky moves. 
 
Stick to card games, Leli. Chess is waaaay out of your league. And Cullen? He should stick to chess as well. Enduring the "walk of shame" back to the barracks too many times can affect your reputation as the Inquisition's fearless commander.

[Zjarcal]

I always thought the lack of F/F banter for Leliana was more of a Dev oversight and less of a statement about her sexuality.

 

The banter was too x-rated to be included and had to be cut at the last second.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Couslands FTW

Nah. S'all about elves. Mahariel, Tabris and Surana all get a pass. Brosca can come along too.

And speaking of Wicked Grace, do you think Leliana knows how to play Wicked Grace? Do you think she would be able to be a rival to the Antivan ambassador? I think Leliana would be a decent at Wicked Grace, but she would have a tendency for cheating. I think Josie is a better player if both play without cheating, but she would be less of a cheater than Leli. Somehow I think that if Leli had been present at that game it would have ended with more people naked...

If only she was at the Wicked Grace game and we could find out. I still wish she was.