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[Wulfram]

"Maker.  Bring my Warden back to me.  Or Else."

DAI Leliana praying.

[FadelessRipley]

What i have been thinking of is a coma scene with the warden and where Leliana really spills out what she is feeling as the warden is struggling for his/hers life.

This would be heartbreaking... And delicious, narratively speaking. I really hope we see the Warden again some day. I'm not optimistic, though. Sigh.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

What i have been thinking of is a coma scene with the warden and where Leliana really spills out what she is feeling as the warden is struggling for his/hers life.

Probably happened, I still have no idea how the Warden survived that explosion at the top of Fort Drakon, I remember thinking I died anyway on my first playthrough even though Alistair had done the ritual. :S

 
Though, I'm not sure I could see Leliana spilling out her feelings for the Warden. Depends on when it would occur, of course, but to me it seems more like she'd just be there. Nothing more, nothing less. Praying.

I dunno, I could see her spilling her guts a bit. Like she says in the dialogue if the Warden did die in DAO, they were the one person that could truly make her happy, I imagine said person on the verge of death would be...a stressful experience...

[Han Shot First]

Leliana doesn't react well to the deaths of people she cares about. You see that with Justinia, and before the DA:O epilogues were ignored by later games at least one of the epilogues for a romanced ultimate sacrifice Warden implied it as well. It was implied in one of them that Leliana commits suicide.

 

So I can't imagine she'd be in a good mental state if the Warden was at or near death. Or at least not if it was sudden. With the Calling she'd have decades to mentally prepare for it, so that might be different.

 

In some ways Leliana is kind of needy, which might be linked to the deaths or departure of her parents while she was a child. I suspect that's how Marjolaine was able to manipulate her as well. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I don't know if I'd say the DA:O epilogues were entirely ignored, seeing as they were rumours. I can see the unhardened/ultimate sacrifice Leliana ending still having a scrap of truth to it, except she obviously didn't go through with it. 

 

Either way, she disappears from the public eye and resurfaces as Sister Nightingale. That matches up with DA:I, where, if you import a Warden romance/sacrifice save, she says she sought out Justinia because she was in a bad place after the Warden died. 

 

So I can't imagine she'd be in a good mental state if the Warden was at or near death. Or at least not if it was sudden. With the Calling she'd have decades to mentally prepare for it, so that might be different.

 

Y'know, I suppose it's just Leliana's luck that the person she latches onto most, that isn't going to stab her in the back, manipulate her, use her for their own means...ends up having a prolonged sort of terminal illness. Girl can't catch a break. I hope the Calling cure works for her sake, mostly. :S

[Han Shot First]

 

Y'know, I suppose it's just Leliana's luck that the person she latches onto most, that isn't going to stab her in the back, manipulate her, use her for their own means...ends up having a prolonged sort of terminal illness. Girl can't catch a break. I hope the Calling cure works for her sake, mostly. :S

 

The Maker (if he exists) pisses on her. 

 

No wonder she has a crisis of faith at the start of DA:I. She goes from one personal tragedy to the next.

[Xilizhra]

Y'know, I suppose it's just Leliana's luck that the person she latches onto most, that isn't going to stab her in the back, manipulate her, use her for their own means...ends up having a prolonged sort of terminal illness. Girl can't catch a break. I hope the Calling cure works for her sake, mostly. :S

I wonder... how do you picture things working if the Warden defiled the Urn of Sacred Ashes, but still romanced her?

[Xilizhra]

That scenario is apparently so unconsidered that the writers didn't account for it here. They acknowledged the weird dialogue changes with that.

No, I mean defiled it, but used intimidation to avoid the fight and then romanced her as normal.

[Xilizhra]

Oh...

 

I never got to do that. Kind of curious.. couldn't even find a youtube of it last I checked.

I did that on my first playthrough. Memorably, I slept with her for the first time immediately after leaving the area.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I wonder... how do you picture things working if the Warden defiled the Urn of Sacred Ashes, but still romanced her?

 

Badly, because that Warden's a right c**t frankly.  

[Xilizhra]

Badly, because that Warden's a right c**t frankly.  

Well... if it helps, that Warden did so because she didn't want to kill yet more people, in addition to attraction to the knowledge of the blood.

[AresKeith]

Badly, because that Warden's a right c**t frankly.  

 

Yeah, the romance should probably end right there

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Yeah, the romance should probably end right there

 

I really wish it did. I hope BioWare works on reactivity in the romances in the future. It's like Fenris still romancing Hawke if they support slavery right in front of his face. Or...be a blood mage. Leliana should have broken it off if the ashes are defiled. 

 

I'm not entirely fond of how it was handled specifically in Sera's romance, but I like the idea that too many conflicting ideals can lead to her deciding this isn't going to end well and backing out. 

 

Though, given Marjolaine, I guess it's not entirely out of character that Leliana might not have the best gauge of when she should probably get out.

[Xilizhra]

I really wish it did. I hope BioWare works on reactivity in the romances in the future. It's like Fenris still romancing Hawke if they support slavery right in front of his face. Or...be a blood mage. Leliana should have broken it off if the ashes are defiled. 

 

I'm not entirely fond of how it was handled specifically in Sera's romance, but I like the idea that too many conflicting ideals can lead to her deciding this isn't going to end well and backing out. 

 

Though, given Marjolaine, I guess it's not entirely out of character that Leliana might not have the best gauge of when she should probably get out.

I think that something like this with Leliana would actually have been more in-character for Sera, whose situation was just a huge pile of crap.

[FadelessRipley]

Y'know, I suppose it's just Leliana's luck that the person she latches onto most, that isn't going to stab her in the back, manipulate her, use her for their own means...ends up having a prolonged sort of terminal illness. Girl can't catch a break. I hope the Calling cure works for her sake, mostly. :S

Yeah, me too. It's pretty heartbreaking when you look over her life as a whole. In my head canon the calling gets cured and the Warden comes back to sweep her off her feet.

On a more realistic note, I wonder will we ever see the HoF again, or see any resolution for this. I completely accept what a risk it would be for BioWare - one section of the fandom or another would completely blow up. *sigh* Still, I'd take it and reconcile it with my own story gladly. Mind you, it could be resolved off screen - realistically, how much of a prominent role will Leliana be able to have in future, with such a large variable regarding her direction at the end of Inquisition? I hope she sticks around, same with Morrigan. Seeing Morrigan again was probably the highlight of my game. Plus, it keeps the "UGH WHY IS LELIANA THE WRITER'S PET SHE'S SO AWFUL" camp in business. Although, much as I find any Warden who would kill Leliana unfathomable and horrible, it IS each player's game and their right to choose. I'm not sure the whole Leliana not being dead thing was handled brilliantly, and can understand why some players would be pissed. Yes, you could "kill" Morrigan too, but it was much more ambiguous. Leliana in the Temple was pretty dead looking.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Yeah, me too. It's pretty heartbreaking when you look over her life as a whole. In my head canon the calling gets cured and the Warden comes back to sweep her off her feet.

 

And then they ride off for some good ol' adventuring and are rarely ever seen again. Yes plz.

 

realistically, how much of a prominent role will Leliana be able to have in future, with such a large variable regarding her direction at the end of Inquisition? I hope she sticks around, same with Morrigan. Seeing Morrigan again was probably the highlight of my game. Plus, it keeps the "UGH WHY IS LELIANA THE WRITER'S PET SHE'S SO AWFUL" camp in business.

 

I disagree, I really hope they stop bringing Leliana back, much as it pains me to say it. They can't just insist on leaving the Warden to headcanon as Weekes is right now and then bring back all the characters that are integral to that headcanon every single game. Seeing Leliana back in another role while the Warden is sidelined once again, despite that 'When this is all over, I will join her. For good this time.' stuff in DA:I...that would make me really, really bummed. I think Leliana has run her course, best she be retired. Bringing her back would do more harm than good.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I disagree, I really hope they stop bringing Leliana back, much as it pains me to say it. They can't just insist on leaving the Warden to headcanon as Weekes is right now and then bring back all the characters that are integral to that headcanon every single game. Seeing Leliana back in another role while the Warden is sidelined once again, despite that 'When this is all over, I will join her. For good this time.' stuff in DA:I...that would make me really, really bummed. I think Leliana has run her course, best she be retired. Bringing her back would do more harm than good.

Truly, it is quite exceptional for a fan to say they don't wish to see their favorite character return in future installments.

 

You, my friend, break all records with your undeniably sincere loyalty

[FadelessRipley]

I disagree, I really hope they stop bringing Leliana back, much as it pains me to say it. They can't just insist on leaving the Warden to headcanon as Weekes is right now and then bring back all the characters that are integral to that headcanon every single game. Seeing Leliana back in another role while the Warden is sidelined once again, despite that 'When this is all over, I will join her. For good this time.' stuff in DA:I...that would make me really, really bummed. I think Leliana has run her course, best she be retired I think. Bringing her back would do more harm than good.

From the Warden point of view, you're right... They barely got away with explaining it away this time! I certainly didn't mean in a large role like she had now - more smaller appearances. The decisions of Origins really do make it difficult, and therefore unlikely she will be back at all.

However, one could say Morrigan romancers are in the same boat, and there's definite potential for her to have a future role in the franchise. Though admittedly, Morrigan's arc was more tied to the story, and possibly even more interesting story-wise. It would make more sense for her to return later on than Leliana TBH. I just mean they're tied by the same problem with the HoF.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Truly, it is quite exceptional for a fan to say they don't wish to see their favorite character return in future installments.

 

You, my friend, break all records with your undeniably sincere loyalty

 

I know, I feel weird saying it too. The multiple protagonist formula makes me feel conflicted about everything, frankly. :S

 

From the Warden point of view, you're right... They barely got away with explaining it away this time! I certainly didn't mean in a large role like she had now - more smaller appearances. The decisions of Origins really do make it difficult, and therefore unlikely she will be back at all.

However, one could say Morrigan romancers are in the same boat, and there's definite potential for her to have a future role in the franchise. Though admittedly, Morrigan's arc was more tied to the story, and possibly even more interesting story-wise. It would make more sense for her to return later on than Leliana TBH. I just mean they're tied by the same problem with the HoF.

 

I don't really think Leliana has much more she needs to do plot-wise, honestly. Her arc feels pretty complete, not much else they can do with her. IMO, all any sort of appearance, however minor, would serve to do is arbitrarily separate her and the Warden again. Meh. 

[FadelessRipley]

Unless she shows up with the Warden... Dragging her shoe shopping around Val Royeux and casually bumps into the next protagonist!

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Unless she shows up with the Warden... Dragging her shoe shopping around Val Royeux and casually bumps into the next protagonist!

 

That'd be acceptable. Or meeting her at a party in Antiva or something, and the Warden is only off-screen because she's drunk out of her mind passed out in the bushes somewhere. Curing the taint has side effects, and the Warden became a lightweight as a result. Yeah.