15914 réponses à ce sujet

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Who else wish we could have had a more antagonistic relationship with Leliana in DA:I?

 

Even if she was the inquisitor's spymaster, I would have prefered if her working relationship with the inquisitor had the option of being teeth clenched teamwork than friendly co-workers. Reason being is because I think the different main character angle that DA is going for is more interesting if you actually have your different protagonist have different viewpoint on recurring characters. My Warden would see Leliana as a second sister, my Inquisitor would loath her, at best there would be some mutual respect for each other (only way to justify her listening to the inq on her personal trip) based on their proffesional skills, otherwise they would prefer not to talk to each other.

[FadelessRipley]

Aww. I've never settled on an exact order. Always do the first part of Redcliffe early on. It just feels a bit urgent, what with Eamon dying and all! Orzammar is OK enough but way too long. I've come to doing the Brecilian Forest last.

[ThePhoenixKing]

God, this thread updates fast. Seems like some days, I can barely catch up...

 

I loved In Hushed Whispers. It was one of my favourite parts in the game. It made me suffer watching what they had done to Leliana, it made me thrill when ugly Leli sacrificed to save the world, it made my Warden's proud of normal DAI Leliana in the aftermath when she said it was a good bargain sacrifice one's life to save the world. I like AUs and time travel plots, but those are things that must be done with extreme care, more so in a fantasy setting. We don't have a Tardis, or a DeLorean and even magic needs some kind of internal coherence to be well written.

 

Yeah, both Hushed Whispers and Champions of the Just are probably the best quests of the game. That being said, I'm just hoping they don't over-do the time travel stuff too.

 

I believe the "Shrieks attack the camp" encounter occurs after you've recruited four out of five of the main story quests. That's when the Archdemon realizes you might actually be a threat and sends a hit squad after you.

 

Precisely. It doesn't really matter what order you do them in.

 

I love how the Mahariel origin has an impact on all the heavily story-driven DLCs in Origins, as well as Dragon Age 2.

 

It may not have been involved in the main story as much as let's say, the Cousland and Tabris origins, but I'm glad the devs found some way to make up for the lack of content. 

 

That's a really good point, actually. never thought of it like that before. If nothing else, it meant we got Merrill in DA2, so that's a story decision that turned out for the better.

 

I don't recognize the existence of DAO's Merrill. That's some imposter claiming to be Merrill.

 

It's all about the accent. That sexy Welsh accent...

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Who else wish we could have had a more antagonistic relationship with Leliana in DA:I?

 

Not personally because I'd never do it with my Inquisitor, no, but I reckon advisers could have done with an approval mechanic. For all the talk of them being on-par with companions mechanically, the interactions with the three of them always felt a bit less...I don't know, complex, I suppose. All three of them seem to take to you no matter what by the end. 

[FadelessRipley]

Not personally because I'd never do it with my Inquisitor, no, but I reckon advisers could have done with an approval mechanic. For all the talk of them being on-par with companions mechanically, the interactions with the three of them always felt a bit less...I don't know, complex, I suppose. All three of them seem to take to you no matter what by the end.

Approval mechanic would have been good. I mean you can majorly ****** Leliana off in places for the godforsaken Hard/Soft mechanic, but there's no real changes in dynamic. Especially when romancing Josie (and I presume Cullen too) - what if my IQ was a total douchebag? Would she still be gushing over her?? I never quite understood rivalmancing in DA2, but at least they had a system in places for differing actions and opinions of Hawke.

[erikdlan]

Yup, I think the interaction with Leli, Cullen and Josie would have been much better if it had used the approval/disapproval system, and if they had approval gates to their personal quests (and romances if we are talking about Josie and Cullen) and a scene for extreme disagreement, in the same way Cassandra has a drunk scene but she doesn't leave the Inquisition no matter how much you p*ss her.

I understand there's a budget limit and adding more dialogues has a cost, and a bigger one if it means more cinematic scenes, but I would gladly pay for a DLC with more dialogues and interactions with the main NPCs, for example, a Morrigan/Leli/Alistair/maybe Loghain scene, a Hawke/Cassandra/much better with Varric scene, etc.

[Miss Quisitor]

Leliana: Inquisitor...let's see what we have.

 

From what i could see, she had  a lot. Where do we begin   

[Basement Cat]

Yup, I think the interaction with Leli, Cullen and Josie would have been much better if it had used the approval/disapproval system, and if they had approval gates to their personal quests (and romances if we are talking about Josie and Cullen) and a scene for extreme disagreement, in the same way Cassandra has a drunk scene but she doesn't leave the Inquisition no matter how much you p*ss her.

I understand there's a budget limit and adding more dialogues has a cost, and a bigger one if it means more cinematic scenes, but I would gladly pay for a DLC with more dialogues and interactions with the main NPCs, for example, a Morrigan/Leli/Alistair/maybe Loghain scene, a Hawke/Cassandra/much better with Varric scene, etc.

Leliana's line 'It would be petty of me to tamper with your supper over this' regarding Josephine's romance makes me think that is exactly how she would react to an Inquisitor she didn't like. So many ways to mess with food... She's definitely evil enough to put laxative in Quizzy's food...

[erikdlan]

Leliana's line 'It would be petty of me to tamper with your supper over this' regarding Josephine's romance makes me think that is exactly how she would react to an Inquisitor she didn't like. So many ways to mess with food... She's definitely evil enough to put laxative in Quizzy's food...

 

Sure! It could be a war table scene where Quizzy has to leave quickly, and when he/she leaves Cullen (or Josie) would worry about the Quizzy's health and Leli would say, with a grin looking to camera: "Calm down! It looks like just a momentary indisposition. Maybe the Inquisitor should be more careful with the things he/she eats."

 

But I think the reaction of Leli haters would be quite extreme, they would want to fire her and then they would want to open fire on her, with a catapult.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sure! It could be a war table scene where Quizzy has to leave quickly, and when he/she leaves Cullen (or Josie) would worry about the Quizzy's health and Leli would say, with a grin looking to camera: "Calm down! It looks like just a momentary indisposition. Maybe the Inquisitor should be more careful with the things he/she eats."

 

But I think the reaction of Leli haters would be quite extreme, they would want to fire her and then they would want to open fire on her, with a catapult.

By haters you mean any sane player that would want react properly on this bs?

[Basement Cat]

Sure! It could be a war table scene where Quizzy has to leave quickly, and when he/she leaves Cullen (or Josie) would worry about the Quizzy's health and Leli would say, with a grin looking to camera: "Calm down! It looks like just a momentary indisposition. Maybe the Inquisitor should be more careful with the things he/she eats."

 

But I think the reaction of Leli haters would be quite extreme, they would want to fire her and then they would want to open fire on her, with a catapult.

Who cares? Why should the PC be the only who gets to be a jackass? It's ok when they do it, but NPCs who give them a taste of their own medicine? Oooh! *gibberish of rage*

 

http://tvtropes.org/...ueltyPunishment

 

Makes for fun times too!

[Fiery Phoenix]

Spoiler

 
http://www.deviantar...ngale-522491327

[Todrazok]

Sure! It could be a war table scene where Quizzy has to leave quickly, and when he/she leaves Cullen (or Josie) would worry about the Quizzy's health and Leli would say, with a grin looking to camera: "Calm down! It looks like just a momentary indisposition. Maybe the Inquisitor should be more careful with the things he/she eats."

But I think the reaction of Leli haters would be quite extreme, they would want to fire her and then they would want to open fire on her, with a catapult.

The heretics can burn themselves . Seeing the mighty Inquisitor get pranked would be hillarious

[Basement Cat]

Mmh. 

Spoiler

X

It looks more like she hurt herself than anything else. I don't think that would be a very effective move against a chest plate.

[Lady Artifice]

Not personally because I'd never do it with my Inquisitor, no, but I reckon advisers could have done with an approval mechanic. For all the talk of them being on-par with companions mechanically, the interactions with the three of them always felt a bit less...I don't know, complex, I suppose. All three of them seem to take to you no matter what by the end. 

 

Same. I know the debate about wanting more "darkness" in the game can get combative, but I think it would have been cool if it was possible to alienate an advisor or two to the point where you lose them or your relationship is totally beyond hope. I think the possibility of having a negative relationship can make the reality of a friendship or a romance mean more. 

[jlb524]

What would be the consequences of low advisor approval besides snide remarks at the war table?

That would actually be awesome though xd

[AresKeith]

What would be the consequences of low advisor approval besides snide remarks at the war table?

That would actually be awesome though xd

They really can't do anything really that wouldn't hurt the Inquisition and go against their duty

[Basement Cat]

What would be the consequences of low advisor approval besides snide remarks at the war table?

That would actually be awesome though xd

Mmh...  For the extreme dislike maybe some overheard conversation about looking for other ways to close the rifts? Or a non standard game over screen that says that the advisors replaced you with someone else for official duties and are keeping you prisoner to seal rifts with your mark. You are kept under heavy guard to prevent you from using the mark to open rifts.

 

Until that point, snide remarks and pranks would be enough. I wonder how Josephine would do it. Mmh... Pity the fool who manages to tick off both Josephine and Leliana. *shudder*

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Much like Cassandra I don't think Leliana would ever leave at low approval. Like Cullen says, the Inquisition is her's just as much as Cassandra's, she wouldn't turn her back on it until the job is finished. Just passive aggressive mission reports.

Low approval Inquisitor would probably have to watch themself after DAI is done, though.

Mmh.

Spoiler

X
It looks more like she hurt herself than anything else. I don't think that would be a very effective move against a chest plate.

I like how they actually had Leli's bow kung-fu from that trailer in-game in Hushed Whispers, more or less.

No karate chops though.

[Fiery Phoenix]

What would be the consequences of low advisor approval besides snide remarks at the war table?

That would actually be awesome though xd

I would guess lots of broken tables, not excluding the War Table.

[jlb524]

They really can't do anything really that wouldn't hurt the Inquisition and go against their duty

Right, they can't just leave. I guess low approval would lock out advisor romances but that cutoff can't be too high as it would be tougher to get approval with them as they can't quest with you. They could pad approval loss/gain a bit more with major decisions (ally with mages = super big Leliana approval gain but super big Cullen approval loss).

All hypothetical ofc.

[Basement Cat]

Much like Cassandra I don't think Leliana would ever leave at low approval. Like Cullen says, the Inquisition is her's just as much as Cassandra's, she wouldn't turn her back on it until the job is finished. Just passive aggressive mission reports.

Low approval Inquisitor would probably have to watch themself after DAI is done, though.

I like how they actually had Leli's bow kung-fu from that trailer in-game in Hushed Whispers, more or less.

No karate chops though.

We had a cap twister though. (what she does with her thighs.)

[AresKeith]

Right, they can't just leave. I guess low approval would lock out advisor romances but that cutoff can't be too high as it would be tougher to get approval with them as they can't quest with you. They could pad approval loss/gain a bit more with major decisions (ally with mages = super big Leliana approval gain but super big Cullen approval loss).

All hypothetical ofc.

 

Though would work, locking Cullen and Josephine out of being romances via low approval is good too

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm pretty sure the reason they didn't extend the approval system to the advisors is mostly for simplicity's sake. It would have been complicated to balance things with it.

[Retconnaissance]

I guess they could've tied it with wartable missions. Whoever of advisors you picked for the mission, showing agreement with their methods, would net you some approval gain.