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[wright1978]

I have to say I desperately don't want a calling cure that leaves taint derived powers intact. Would seem utterly cheap.

[N7_Heartfire]

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past them if Leliana was a descendent if Andraste

 

I don't really see why a revelation about Leliana being a descendant of Andraste would require her having a big role in the next game again.

 

Heck, the devs often reveal some big stuff about the characters during press conferences/twitter/interviews that never gets addressed in-game.

 

Another headcanon, I'm 80% sure Leliana is elf-blooded.

 

Don't know if her mother or father was an elf (I'm leaning more toward the former), but her high disposition toward anything regarding elves always struck me that she had elven roots. I mean, come on, she is mid-late 30s in Inquisition, doesn't look a day over 25. While Cullen who is 30 looks just as wrinkled and tired as a man in his late 30s. One of the perks of being elf-blooded I suppose. 

[Basement Cat]

I don't really see why a revelation about Leliana being a descendant of Andraste would require her having a big role in the next game again.

 

Heck, the devs often reveal some big stuff about the characters during press conferences/twitter/interviews that never gets addressed in-game.

 

Another headcanon, I'm 80% sure Leliana is elf-blooded.

 

Don't know if her mother or father was an elf (I'm leaning more toward the former), but her high disposition toward anything regarding elves always struck me that she had elven roots. I mean, come on, she is mid-late 30s in Inquisition, doesn't look a day over 25. While Cullen who is 30 looks just as wrinkled and tired as a man in his late 30s. One of the perks of being elf-blooded I suppose. 

If she does have Elvish parentage, it's likely she doesn't know about it. You'd think she would have told the Warden if she knew, especially if romanced.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I have to say I desperately don't want a calling cure that leaves taint derived powers intact. Would seem utterly cheap.

You could technically argue that a cure of any kind would seem cheap. I'm personally not convinced they (the writers) will actually come through with regards to a Calling cure, but I guess we'll see down the road.

[Wulfram]

What would Leliana think if the only way to cure the Calling was to wear really ugly shoes for the rest of your life?

[thats1evildude]

This is actually a good point. How long before DA:I did Andraste die? She could potentially have thousands of living descendants.

There is a Codex about Andraste's children in DAI. Her three sons — the Sons of Betrayal — were actually the sons of Maferath's concubine, Ghillvan. (It was a common tradition among the Alamarri for warriors to take mistresses and declare the resulting children as belonging to their wives.) However, Andraste did give birth to two daughters, Ebris and Vivial. Ebris died from a plague and her own daughter drowned shortly after. Vivial, however, fell in love with a Tevinter mage and went into hiding.

Interestingly, all direct descendants of Andraste are recorded as only having daughters. During the Second Blight, however, the records tracing Vivial's bloodline were lost.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

If she does have Elvish parentage, it's likely she doesn't know about it. You'd think she would have told the Warden if she knew, especially if romanced.

Yeah, her father is open for interpretation as she never knew him, but I think she would have remembered an Elven mother. She unintentionally slips up and makes a semi-racist remark towards an elven Warden, even if she died when she was 6 something years old I'd think she'd remember that.

What would Leliana think if the only way to cure the Calling was to wear really ugly shoes for the rest of your life?

Can my Warden just wear no shoes for the rest of her life instead? All her buddies are doing it nowadays. :S

I think she'd grit through it tho. I'm sure her Fereldan fashion tolerance has increased.

[ThePhoenixKing]

While I think the idea of a cure for the Calling is really interesting, and I certainly hope that it's followed up in a satisfactory fashion, the notion of it did have one unintended side-effect.

 

It made me even less interested in the Inquisition than I already was.

 

For me, the Inquisition is just dull. It has none of the excitement or character or sheer badassery that the Wardens do, and the fact that most of the new characters suck doesn't help matters (for the most part, I was genuinely impressed at how well the returning characters were done, but with a few exceptions, the new blood were either unengaging or simply infuriating). Hearing about the Warden's mission while dealing with Inquisition is kinda like being stuck watching some uninspired romantic drama at the movie theatre when you know there's a screening of The Lord of the Rings right next door. Wouldn't you feel tempted to slip away from the chuckleheads on screen to experience something legitimately awesome?

 

Yeah, yeah, I'm a nostalgic dinosaur, haters gonna hate, yadda, yadda, yadda. But seriously, my immediate reaction on hearing from Leliana how the Warden was travelling to distant lands to cure the Calling was, "Then what in God's name are we doing standing around here? Allons-y, everyone!" I don't think there was any other moment in the game that inspired and excited me that much, so make of that what you will.

 

I don't really see why a revelation about Leliana being a descendant of Andraste would require her having a big role in the next game again.

 

Heck, the devs often reveal some big stuff about the characters during press conferences/twitter/interviews that never gets addressed in-game.

 

Another headcanon, I'm 80% sure Leliana is elf-blooded.

 

Don't know if her mother or father was an elf (I'm leaning more toward the former), but her high disposition toward anything regarding elves always struck me that she had elven roots. I mean, come on, she is mid-late 30s in Inquisition, doesn't look a day over 25. While Cullen who is 30 looks just as wrinkled and tired as a man in his late 30s. One of the perks of being elf-blooded I suppose. 

 

While it's an interesting notion, I think having Leliana, a character who's sympathetic and tolerant of elves be partially-elven herself kinda cheapens one of her best aspects: her compassion for others. There's an unfortunate assumption that you can only really care about something if you're personally affected by it, ie, only someone who's LGBT or has a family member who's LGBT would ever be offended by that disgusting anti-gay bill in Indiana. Why should a straight guy like me care? But that's something that makes Leliana so awesome; she has no real dog in the fight for elven rights, or mage rights, or what have you, but she embraces them because it's the right thing to do, because she can consider and acknowledge the worth of others beyond a simple "us vs. them" dialectic. Having Leliana be elf-blooded just undercuts that. It's super-easy to stand up for "your kind", but to stand up for someone else's is the stuff of true heroism.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

While I think the idea of a cure for the Calling is really interesting, and I certainly hope that it's followed up in a satisfactory fashion, the notion of it did have one unintended side-effect.

It made me even less interested in the Inquisition than I already was.

For me, the Inquisition is just dull. It has none of the excitement or character or sheer badassery that the Wardens do, and the fact that most of the new characters suck doesn't help matters (for the most part, I was genuinely impressed at how well the returning characters were done, but with a few exceptions, the new blood were either unengaging or simply infuriating). Hearing about the Warden's mission while dealing with Inquisition is kinda like being stuck watching some uninspired romantic drama at the movie theatre when you know there's a screening of The Lord of the Rings right next door. Wouldn't you feel tempted to slip away from the chuckleheads on screen to experience something legitimately awesome?

Yeah, yeah, I'm a nostalgic dinosaur, haters gonna hate, yadda, yadda, yadda. But seriously, my immediate reaction on hearing from Leliana how the Warden was travelling to distant lands to cure the Calling was, "Then what in God's name are we doing standing around here? Allons-y, everyone!" I don't think there was any other moment in the game that inspired and excited me that much, so make of that what you will.

Yeah. By the time I got the Warden's quest, I was more interested in what they were doing than anything Corypheus and the Inquisition could have conjured up at that point, frankly. Especially with how annoyingly open-ended it was left. Exploring uncharted lands far to the west, fighting undiscovered creatures and darkspawn nasties, delving into the nature of the Blight and the Taint itself, getting a little bit of closure on my favourite characters...it sounds exactly like something I would have wanted to do. Talk about a c**ktease.

I'm still just more attached to my Warden than my other protagonists. Was before, still am. Every time I try to move on completely, BioWare makes her do something interesting or brings Leliana back, and here I am again. The Warden/Leliana moments in Inquisition ended up being the things I was looking most forward to, and the things I probably liked the most.

I'll gladly suffer through the 'lulz just move on!' and annoying Frozen gifs that saying this usually gets you (in other threads, anyway.) with you. :S

While it's an interesting notion, I think having Leliana, a character who's sympathetic and tolerant of elves be partially-elven herself kinda cheapens one of her best aspects: her compassion for others. There's an unfortunate assumption that you can only really care about something if you're personally affected by it, ie, only someone who's LGBT or has a family member who's LGBT would ever be offended by that disgusting anti-gay bill in Indiana. Why should a straight guy like me care? But that's something that makes Leliana so awesome; she has no real dog in the fight for elven rights, or mage rights, or what have you, but she embraces them because it's the right thing to do, because she can consider and acknowledge the worth of others beyond a simple "us vs. them" dialectic. Having Leliana be elf-blooded just undercuts that. It's super-easy to stand up for "your kind", but to stand up for someone else's is the stuff of true heroism.

I do kind of agree with that, I suppose. In the end, Leliana's father is a big bunch of mystery so I guess we can headcanon anything at this point. Though I'm assuming he wasn't a dwarf or a Qunari. :S

[LadyStoneheart]

Spoiler

  

 

She really does love all the animals!

Except maybe Bon-Bon

[Basement Cat]

Spoiler

  

 

She really does love all the animals!

Except maybe Bon-Bon

I get the feeling Leliana would get along splendidly with Hagrid. 

[LadyStoneheart]

I get the feeling Leliana would get along splendidly with Hagrid. 

This is exactly what I thought when she suggested relocating those angry varghests in the Western Approach instead of killing them, and then a bunch of soldiers died in the attempt 

[ThePhoenixKing]

I'll gladly suffer through the 'lulz just move on!' and annoying Frozen gifs that saying this usually gets you (in other threads, anyway.) with you. :S

 

Aww, thanks, that's so sweet of you!

 

I get the feeling Leliana would get along splendidly with Hagrid. 

 

Yeah, she'd make a great griffon wrangler.

[FadelessRipley]

While I think the idea of a cure for the Calling is really interesting, and I certainly hope that it's followed up in a satisfactory fashion, the notion of it did have one unintended side-effect.

 

It made me even less interested in the Inquisition than I already was.

 

For me, the Inquisition is just dull. It has none of the excitement or character or sheer badassery that the Wardens do, and the fact that most of the new characters suck doesn't help matters (for the most part, I was genuinely impressed at how well the returning characters were done, but with a few exceptions, the new blood were either unengaging or simply infuriating). Hearing about the Warden's mission while dealing with Inquisition is kinda like being stuck watching some uninspired romantic drama at the movie theatre when you know there's a screening of The Lord of the Rings right next door. Wouldn't you feel tempted to slip away from the chuckleheads on screen to experience something legitimately awesome?

 

Yeah, yeah, I'm a nostalgic dinosaur, haters gonna hate, yadda, yadda, yadda. But seriously, my immediate reaction on hearing from Leliana how the Warden was travelling to distant lands to cure the Calling was, "Then what in God's name are we doing standing around here? Allons-y, everyone!" I don't think there was any other moment in the game that inspired and excited me that much, so make of that what you will.

 

 

Amen, brotha! And of course having the Wardens lose their collective reason was a kick in the gut, too. Warden-Commander Cousland is going to kick some Orlesian arse when she gets back - or else she'll send Nathaniel to do it.   I didn't find Inquisition as bad as all that, but it was definitely...I haven't fallen in love as hard as I have with Origins and even the much-maligned DA2. I think Cassandra telling us the HoF was their first choice for Inquisitor was heartbreaking - you can't help but think how AWESOME that would have been. Plus the Herald of Andraste stuff would have been more fitting, given the Sacred Ashes quest. It would actually be interesting to see how a monster player who defiled the Urn and "killed" Leliana would have fared in Inquisition in that case! 

 

 

 

 

While it's an interesting notion, I think having Leliana, a character who's sympathetic and tolerant of elves be partially-elven herself kinda cheapens one of her best aspects: her compassion for others. There's an unfortunate assumption that you can only really care about something if you're personally affected by it, ie, only someone who's LGBT or has a family member who's LGBT would ever be offended by that disgusting anti-gay bill in Indiana. Why should a straight guy like me care? But that's something that makes Leliana so awesome; she has no real dog in the fight for elven rights, or mage rights, or what have you, but she embraces them because it's the right thing to do, because she can consider and acknowledge the worth of others beyond a simple "us vs. them" dialectic. Having Leliana be elf-blooded just undercuts that. It's super-easy to stand up for "your kind", but to stand up for someone else's is the stuff of true heroism.

Yes, very true. Her compassion for others, especially elves is one of her best traits. Another black mark in Justinia's column (if you've read TME...) 

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Only thing that would have been problematic with the HoF being the Inquisitor is that killing Corypheus would have been...unpleasant.

I bet Leliana was actually glad the HoF was on their quest far away when she found out what Cory does to Wardens.

[GenericEnemy]

Everyone's thinking about a cure to the Warden's calling but I wonder if the reverse was ever considered by them, as in if Leliana ever thought about joining her love in the Wardens herself.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Everyone's thinking about a cure to the Warden's calling but I wonder if the reverse was ever considered by them, as in if Leliana ever thought about joining her love in the Wardens herself.

Pondered maybe, but my Warden would have adamantly refused to recruit her if she got it too into her head. Wardens probably frown upon turning away willing and skilled recruits, but she'd make an exception. No way she'd doom her to the same fate as her.

There was actually a part of the old drafts of DAO where all the non-Warden companions took the Joining. Interesting thinking about how different their fates would have been.

[FadelessRipley]

Everyone's thinking about a cure to the Warden's calling but I wonder if the reverse was ever considered by them, as in if Leliana ever thought about joining her love in the Wardens herself.

I'd say she certainly did, and the Warden shot it down fairly quick. My Warden is loathe to recruit or conscript anyone in my headcanon, especially if not urgently necessary. 

[wright1978]

Everyone's thinking about a cure to the Warden's calling but I wonder if the reverse was ever considered by them, as in if Leliana ever thought about joining her love in the Wardens herself.

 

My warden would have been very against the notion of her joining outside of a blight. Shortening her life to no gain.

[Serza]

I get the feeling Leliana would get along splendidly with Hagrid. 

 

I'm not sure Leliana would be one to befriend a GIANT BLOODY SPIDER (lookin' atcha, Aragog!) but the rest of Hagrid's favorites? Hmm. I think that's feasible!

 

Also, anyone else hates how in the HP movies, Aragog is MASSIVE in Chamber of Secrets, but not much bigger than Snowball (unique Giant Spider in Inquisition - drops Healing Mist recipe, under Caer Bronach) - if not actually smaller - in Half-Blooded Prince (during his funeral)?

[N7_Heartfire]

Everyone's thinking about a cure to the Warden's calling but I wonder if the reverse was ever considered by them, as in if Leliana ever thought about joining her love in the Wardens herself.

 

My warden wouldn't let her take that step no matter what is happening. He wouldn't wish the life of a warden upon anyone.

 

The only time he'd consider it is if Leliana was affected by the Blight. But anyone whose played In Hushed Whispers will know not to worry about that. 

[Xilizhra]

Amen, brotha! And of course having the Wardens lose their collective reason was a kick in the gut, too. Warden-Commander Cousland is going to kick some Orlesian arse when she gets back - or else she'll send Nathaniel to do it.   I didn't find Inquisition as bad as all that, but it was definitely...I haven't fallen in love as hard as I have with Origins and even the much-maligned DA2. I think Cassandra telling us the HoF was their first choice for Inquisitor was heartbreaking - you can't help but think how AWESOME that would have been. Plus the Herald of Andraste stuff would have been more fitting, given the Sacred Ashes quest. It would actually be interesting to see how a monster player who defiled the Urn and "killed" Leliana would have fared in Inquisition in that case! 

Hah. You're not hardcore until you defile the Urn, get Leliana to back down, and then romance her.

[Miss Quisitor]

Leliana : You are a Warden arn't you?

 

Warden (female) Yes, i am a warden. Surely you know that.

 

Leliana: Good, that is why i am coming along. I too will be a famous warden.

 

Warden But....

 

Leliana. No buts...a warden i want to be, a warden i shall be.

 

Warden  But...

 

Leliana . Enough...i have made up my mind.

 

Warden .So be it.

[Han Shot First]

Everyone's thinking about a cure to the Warden's calling but I wonder if the reverse was ever considered by them, as in if Leliana ever thought about joining her love in the Wardens herself.

 

My Warden is cut from the same cloth as Duncan, Riordan, or Stroud...but even so I think other than the appearance of another Blight he'd be adamant in refusing her request to go through the Joining. He'd rather die a 1000 deaths in the Deep Roads than to have her face the Calling. And if she died during the Joining, he'd never forgive himself.

[Serza]

Hah. You're not hardcore like Marjolaine until you defile the Urn, get Leliana to back down, and then romance her.

 

There, fixed it for ya.

 

 

Edit: Since y'all are debating Leli becoming a Warden, anyone else remember that one theory that popped up after they showed us a part of In Hushed Whispers during an E3 or something such?

There was the torture scene, where Leliana proves she has killer thighs. And of course she was looking unscathed, and they said that she doesn't have her actual outfit because spoilers.

And a theory that she joined the Wardens popped up from this.