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Sister Nightingale: Leliana in DA:I Appreciation&Discussion (Nope, still not romanceable)


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I have difficulty imagining Leliana crying. 

 

Recently I was reading about Theodore Roosevelt, who had the misfortune of losing his first wife on Valentine's Day (also their anniversary) after giving birth to a daughter. His mother also died on the same day from typhus. Clearly the deaths deeply affected him, particularly that of his wife, as evidenced by the diary entry he made that day:

*snip*

But he refused to ever speak of it, even with his daughter, and forbid anyone to speak his wife's name in his presence. While later consoling a friend who had also lost his wife, Roosevelt reportedly told him to bury the pain as deep as possible inside him, or it would destroy him. We of course know that isn't true now, but it is how a lot of people (particularly men) thought back then.

 

I kind of think Leliana has a similar mindset. She barely mentions her mother, only gives the briefest mention of her father, and does not go into a lot of detail about the trauma she experienced while captured in Orlais. She gives the Warden just enough information to figure out what happened, but that's it. And in Leliana's Song she appears to spin a tall tale around that even to whomever the audience was. In Dragon Age: Inquisition she gives off a similar vibe with Justinia's death. At first she seems to be going through a crisis of faith and even a little bit of survivor's guilt, and while she initially vents to the Inquisitor, she seems to catch herself and then pull back before fully opening up. That conversation ends with her returning the stiff upper lip routine and "Well thats enough of that, back to work."

 

So I kind of have a hard time picturing her crying. I think she might be the type that tends to bottle up her emotions. She's a crying on the inside type, basically.

 

Yeah, and a lot of her success comes from how scared people are of her. If anyone saw her crying, showing vulnerability...her image could be ruined. In public, Leliana probably fights back any sign of weakness. She says so herself.

 

I do imagine she lets out everything she bottled up with the Warden every now and again when she was Left Hand, though. She doesn't have any image to keep up with them, s/he is someone she trusts entirely and would have no reservations on allowing them to see that part of her. I've always liked to think of it as the Warden being one of the last people who sees her as Leliana and not Sister Nightingale. 


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My city elf keeping Nelaros' ring got a lot less romantic when I was short on space and absent mindedly equipped it on Oghren to free up a slot for some deep mushrooms or something.

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My city elf keeping Nelaros' ring got a lot less romantic when I was short on space and absent mindedly equipped it on Oghren to free up a slot for some deep mushrooms or something.

 

:lol:

 

Poor Nelaros! 

 

I was so sentimental about that thing it was ridiculous.  :ph34r:


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I never sold/gave away origin related stuff. 

 

My Warden had her Heirloom Halla Pendant equipped for the majority of the game, actually. Even when it had long since become irrelevant. :S


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I don't think BioWare is good with tears. Some characters cried in Mass Effect now and then, and it looked like someone stuck liquid glue onto their face rather than tears. Or...nevermind.

 

Only time I thought it worked was with Jack's mascara.

 

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Her romance scene was so beautiful. It really says so much about what she's been through.


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I have difficulty imagining Leliana crying. 

 

*Snip*

 

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I never sold/gave away origin related stuff. 

 

My Warden had her Heirloom Halla Pendant equipped for the majority of the game, actually. Even when it had long since become irrelevant. :S

 

I was particularly attached to Cousland/Tabris stuff personally. Those were the most important to me. 

 

I had been playing Tabris as a crossbow wielder, and then when she went back to the alienage and ended up with that dagger, I think I started having her use that primarily instead. 



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Her romance scene was so beautiful. It really says so much about what she's been through.

 

Yeah, she's definitely my favourite romance in the series I reckon, mostly because of how surprised I was that her romance scene ended up being by far and away the most emotionally charged one in the games. Shame her content in ME3 fell a bit flat after that culmination in ME2. 



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I was particularly attached to Cousland/Tabris stuff personally. Those were the most important to me. 

 

I had been playing Tabris as a crossbow wielder, and then when she went back to the alienage and ended up with that dagger, I think I started having her use that primarily instead. 

 

One time I actually had my Mahariel trash the heirloom necklace out of anger after finding out her mother completely abandoned her, but then I realized the necklace belonged to her father, not her mother. Who did nothing wrong. 

 

Kinda retconned that from my headcanon after that. Still feel a bit bad. :S



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Yeah, and a lot of her success comes from how scared people are of her. If anyone saw her crying, showing vulnerability...her image could be ruined. In public, Leliana probably fights back any sign of weakness. She says so herself.

 

I do imagine she lets out everything she bottled up with the Warden every now and again when she was Left Hand, though. She doesn't have any image to keep up with them, s/he is someone she trusts entirely and would have no reservations on allowing them to see that part of her. I've always liked to think of it as the Warden being one of the last people who sees her as Leliana and not Sister Nightingale. 

 

I'm sure she does eventually...especially considering by DA:I she has been with the Warden for a decade. But in DA:O she seems to still be reluctant to talk much about events that might be painful for her. I wonder if she would have even said a lot about Marjolaine if not for the fact that she had just resurfaced after two years by trying to have Leliana killed.

 

 

I can't like this post because I'm out, and that frustrates me more than it should. Lol.

 

I think I get more frustrated by running out of likes than logging in with none. 


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As far as Origins items go, I was more attached to Tabris's dress than the ring. She wasn't too enthused about getting married and then it kept getting worse until she met Leliana. She likes pretty dresses and Leliana likes shoes. A perfect match!

 

The Blue Satin Shoes we can get for Leliana sound properly awful though.

Powder blue satin shoes with long ribbons that circle the ankle. Gold lace trim and dangling gold charms shaped like puppies add the finishing touches.

 

Puppy shaped gold charms... And she criticized that woman at the ball. Especially if the charms look like this.

 

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So gaudy...



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Personally, I pictured the charms being as much more dainty than that.

And powder blue satin sounds lovely...

I sort of thought of it as a way to represent her more Orlesian sense of style (frivolous shoes), with her more Ferelden mindset (puppies!) Lol.

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Personally, I pictured the charms being as much more dainty than that.

 

And power blue satin sounds lovely...

 

I sort of thought of it as a way to represent her more Orlesian sense of style (frivolous shoes), with her more Ferelden mindset (puppies!) Lol. 

I agree on the blue satin, but those charms... Even if they are delicate, dangling things on shoes... ugh. In fact I prefer Leliana with no dangly things near her. Bouncy suits her better. *runs away*


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I'm sure she does eventually...especially considering by DA:I she has been with the Warden for a decade. But in DA:O she seems to still be reluctant to talk much about events that might be painful for her. I wonder if she would have even said a lot about Marjolaine if not for the fact that she had just resurfaced after two years by trying to have Leliana killed.

 

I think, as she grew to trust the Warden more, she would have. Maybe not in quite as much detail, as none of it is a happy memory and the Warden would have to respect that, but I think when Leliana starts to realize the Warden has no real angle here and just loves and respects her unconditionally, she would loosen up. In DA:O I reckon that process there just happens a bit quicker than it otherwise would have thanks to the forced confrontation with Marjolaine. I think the Warden saying "I trust Leliana, no matter what you say." might just be the most meaningful thing one could say to her. She does start pouring her heart out to you around the end of the romance arc after that, so after ten years...I imagine very little is held back between them anymore at this point. Probably the last person Leliana feels she can safely do that around.

 

...the Warden needs to come back. :C


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Speaking of clothes I kind of wish they had gone with a more medieval vibe for the Orlesians, rather than with the outlandish costumes. Also its kinda hot:

 

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On that note I will totally head canon Leliana in that now.

 

 

 

...the Warden needs to come back. :C

 

Unfortunately I doubt will ever get the Warden as a player character again. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a cameo appearance either in DLC or DA4.

 

After the reveal about the quest for a cure for the taint, I think they almost have to bring the character back. It would be odd to just leave that hanging.

 


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Leliana does say the Warden is the only person she trusts completely. I wonder if she felt the same about Justinia...

 

Agreed, she needs to reunite with the Warden ASAP.


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Speaking of clothes I kind of wish they had gone with a more medieval vibe for the Orlesians, rather than with the outlandish costumes. Also its kinda hot:

 

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On that note I will totally head canon Leliana in that now.

The clothing and architecture style, heck even the furniture, in Orlais is closer to Louis XIV than anything else. They wanted to emphasize Orlesian extravagance I guess, and few eras were more extravagant than that one as far as 'period' stuff goes. Interestingly, the 'toque' hat sported by some men is pretty medieval.

 

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That guy looks scary...


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Its the eyes.

 

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Its the eyes.

 

*snip*

 

Even Leliana can pull it off...

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Nothing extravagant, but for just hanging around the party camp/leisurely travelling and such, I've always envisioned Leliana in some nice, simple old white 'swordswoman' sort of attire.

 

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As I said a few pages back...I need a party camp casual outfit mod for DA:O...

 

Unfortunately I doubt will ever get the Warden as a player character again. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a cameo appearance either in DLC or DA4.

 

After the reveal about the quest for a cure for the taint, I think they almost have to bring the character back. It would be odd to just leave that hanging.

 

I don't so much need the Warden as a protagonist, or even a significant role, as much as I just really want some assurance that the Warden does in fact return, reunite with Leliana, and that they'll stay that way rather than have one of them thrown back in for another game, while the other is shoved off-screen. I really just want them both to get some well-deserved peace right now. 


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@Snook. The outfit is pretty, but I have to wonder what that guy in the background is doing. He looks suspicious...

 

Well, Leliana is an archer, so I think she would look great in this:

archer_female_leather_armor_by_lagueuse-

 

Just take off the leather vest and poof! Instant casual outfit.

 

Check out the rest of the gallery. All lady gear.


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Ooh, check out this Elven piece from the same place:

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I use an armour mod in Skyrim that's quite fitting for her, I think. This one.

 

This character looking like Leliana is entirely coincidental, I swear. lol no it isn't a coincidence at all

 

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Green works, actually. 


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I never sold/gave away origin related stuff. 

 

My Warden had her Heirloom Halla Pendant equipped for the majority of the game, actually. Even when it had long since become irrelevant. :S

 

I did the same thing with my Tabris. Had the ring equipped all the way from the Origin Story to the end of Witch Hunt.

Thankfully, it was Normal. But, you know... Roleplay!



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I might have joined in on all this stuff about sentimentality, except that there is no sentimentality in the Circle.

Also, in the city elf playthrough I did do, she hated the idea of getting married and likely didn't do anything special with Nelaros' ring; she was grateful to him for what he tried to do, but nothing else.