She's especially snarky in Jaws of Haakon.
Think about cutting anyone's tongue out lately? -Cullen
Thinking about it right now. -L
I like dark humor, but sometimes she gets too dark for my taste. Itching powder would have been enough for the offending bard.
That cartoonist should hire you in the Goscinny role...
Don't be mean.The message gets across anyway. Still, I would like to be the Goscinny to someone else's Uderzo or Morris. *sigh*
I like dark humor, but sometimes she gets too dark for my taste. Itching powder would have been enough for the offending bard.
She still suggests exactly the same thing if softened, too. Which is a wee bit strange. :S
Gameplay and story segregation is in full effect. Also I suspect this other trope too.
True but it couldn't hurt to have someone proof-read before publishing, especially if for whatever reason the cartoonist isn't confident with their English.Don't be mean.The message gets across anyway. Still, I would like to be the Goscinny to someone else's Uderzo or Morris. *sigh*
Gameplay and story segregation is in full effect. Also I suspect this other trope too.
Most people probably got that war table mission before her personal quest anyway, I assume. For some reason I just didn't talk to Maryden until nearly after the Arbor Wilds. :S
Still...would be cool if they changed a lot of Leliana's suggestions on the war table with her inspired/steeled status. Would be a lot of work, though, I imagine...
Most people probably got that war table mission before her personal quest anyway, I assume. For some reason I just didn't talk to Maryden until nearly after the Arbor Wilds. :S
Still...would be cool if they changed a lot of Leliana's suggestions on the war table with her inspired/steeled status. Would be a lot of work, though, I imagine...
A lot of work that wouldn't really be worth it in the end, unless they did something similar with all the advisors for the sake of character development. I'd rather they add an option to review old war table reports. Once read, they are gone for good. Bit of shame, really.
Y'know, her plan is kinda flawed anyway. A bard with no tongue can tell lies. Bards are literate people. They'd have to cut off her fingers too. :S
Y'know, her plan is kinda flawed anyway. A bard with no tongue can tell lies. Bards are literate people. They'd have to cut off her fingers too. :S
Well, if a super powerful organization sent people to cut out your tongue because of the really harmless stuff you said about a nobody bard who happens to work for said organization, would you really push your luck?
That's why I always picked Cullen for that mission (just don't do it). This little b*tch who squats in my tavern wants me to send people to quiet a rival of hers? My Inquisition isn't the mafia, sorry. Maryden isn't even that good. Even money says the other bard is just better than her and she's jealous.
Maryden isn't even that good. Even money says the other bard is just better than her and she's jealous.
Well, she is actually pretty damned good, but like Leliana she switches voice actors for her songs. 
though I still headcanon 'I Am the One' was written by Leliana so some of her material isn't even her own...and then she goes on to write a song about Leliana and calls her a craven. A craven? There's a long list of terms I'd use to describe Leliana...but that's very close to the bottom. :S
Although in DAI Corinne Kempa actually does sing!Well, she is actually pretty damned good, but like Leliana she switches voice actors for her songs.
Well, she is actually pretty damned good, but like Leliana she switches voice actors for her songs.
though I still headcanon 'I Am the One' was written by Leliana so some of her material isn't even her own...and then she goes on to write a song about Leliana and calls her a craven. A craven? There's a long list of terms I'd use to describe Leliana...but that's very close to the bottom. :S
She just picked that word to make a rhyme with 'raven'. Since 'craven' means 'coward' and we know Leliana is no such thing, I have to say Maryden is not nearly as good as she thinks she is.
It's a wonder Leliana wasn't offended by the accusation. 'Craven' is not a nice thing to call someone. The old meaning is 'to surrender, to yield', which is not much better.
Well, if a super powerful organization sent people to cut out your tongue because of the really harmless stuff you said about a nobody bard who happens to work for said organization, would you really push your luck?
That's why I always picked Cullen for that mission (just don't do it). This little b*tch who squats in my tavern wants me to send people to quiet a rival of hers? My Inquisition isn't the mafia, sorry. Maryden isn't even that good. Even money says the other bard is just better than her and she's jealous.
The problem is that she's also lying about and screwing with the Inquisition, which is why you gain influence by dealing with her with Josephine or Leliana.
Although in DAI Corinne Kempa actually does sing!
I'm still getting used to that. I remember a long while before DA:I came out Corinne made a post about how bad she thought her singing voice was, but I think she's better than she thinks she is. Still kinda miss Aubrey Ashburne though. :S
She just picked that word to make a rhyme with 'raven'. Since 'craven' means 'coward' and we know Leliana is no such thing, I have to say Maryden is not nearly as good as she thinks she is.
It's a wonder Leliana wasn't offended by the accusation. 'Craven' is not a nice thing to call someone. The old meaning is 'to surrender, to yield', which is not much better.
Hmm, so she's like most modern rappers then. :S
It's just as untrue with the old definition...made especially obvious in Hushed Whispers. She went through a year straight of torture and experiments without breaking. Yeah, what craven. 
I'm still getting used to that. I remember a long while before DA:I came out Corinne made a post about how bad she thought her singing voice was, but I think she's better than she thinks she is. Still kinda miss Aubrey Ashburne though. :S
Hmm, so she's like most modern rappers then. :S
It's just as untrue with the old definition...made especially obvious in Hushed Whispers. She went through a year straight of torture and experiments without breaking. Yeah, what craven.
Yeah. Nevermind the other bard. The one we have with us is doing a fine job of painting us in a negative light.
Yeah. Nevermind the other bard. The one we have with us is doing a fine job of painting us in a negative light.
Argh. She's really not. One misapplied song lyric does not a villain make.
Well, if a super powerful organization sent people to cut out your tongue because of the really harmless stuff you said about a nobody bard who happens to work for said organization, would you really push your luck?
That's why I always picked Cullen for that mission (just don't do it). This little b*tch who squats in my tavern wants me to send people to quiet a rival of hers? My Inquisition isn't the mafia, sorry. Maryden isn't even that good. Even money says the other bard is just better than her and she's jealous.
Yeah, after all, this is the lady who decided to write songs bashing the Wardens and gushing over Sera. She has poor taste, if nothing else.
Yeah, after all, this is the lady who decided to write songs bashing the Wardens and gushing over Sera. She has poor taste, if nothing else.
Be fair... the Grey Wardens did badly screw up.
Be fair... the Grey Wardens did badly screw up.
An Idiot Ball the size of the moon was glued into their hands, because the only way the story of Inquisition could function was if everyone outside of the Inquisition was either utterly corrupt, completely stupid, or hopelessly ineffectual. I'd rather take the occassional extreme action from the Wardens over the Inquisition's blandness any day of the week, or the cronic stupidity of pretty much everyone else.
(Seriously, I hated the Adamant arc. Every last contrived, mean-spirited and poorly-written moment of it).
Getting back to Leliana, I'm actually disappointed in the whole "cutting out a rival bard's tongue" thing. Doesn't she stop to consider that such a harsh action might actually lead people to think that the victim might have had a point? (Tyrion brings that point up to Cersei in A Clash of Kings, I just realized). Even when she was doing wetwork as the Left Hand, I doubted Justina had Leliana go around maiming singers when there were actual threat to target.
An Idiot Ball the size of the moon was glued into their hands, because the only way the story of Inquisition could function was if everyone outside of the Inquisition was either utterly corrupt, completely stupid, or hopelessly ineffectual. I'd rather take the occassional extreme action from the Wardens over the Inquisition's blandness any day of the week, or the cronic stupidity of pretty much everyone else.
(Seriously, I hated the Adamant arc. Every last contrived, mean-spirited and poorly-written moment of it).
Getting back to Leliana, I'm actually disappointed in the whole "cutting out a rival bard's tongue" thing. Doesn't she stop to consider that such a harsh action might actually lead people to think that the victim might have had a point? (Tyrion brings that point up to Cersei in A Clash of Kings, I just realized). Even when she was doing wetwork as the Left Hand, I doubted Justina had Leliana go around maiming singers when there were actual threat to target.
Interesting... how do you see the arc as being mean-spirited?
I think the writers realized the whole "cutting someone's tongue out" thing was... a misfire.
Warden cuddles wif Lels and Barkspawn. :3
Throw Schmooples II and Boulette into the mix and you've got the whole family.
Aww, that's so adorable! Thanks for sharing!
Interesting... how do you see the arc as being mean-spirited?
I think the writers realized the whole "cutting someone's tongue out" thing was... a misfire.
God, I could probably rant about the Adamant arc all day (I'll try not to, but I make no promises). But overall, it just really felt like the writers were dragging the Wardens down to make the Inquisition look better, which always irkes me, whenever I see something like that. Beyond the Idiot Ball the Wardens were forced to carry, there's also the fact that they were reduced to just another bunch of faceless authoritarian goons for the Inquisitor to crush, which definitely misses the point of the organization. Or the notion that the random mooks of the Inquisition are somehow capable of defeating the Wardens and a demon army, even taking into account the Wardens' division at Adamant. Or this retcon suggesting that the death of the Old Gods/Archdemons is apparently going to destroy the world anyway.
What really pushes it into the realm of "mean-spirited", for me at least, is this Warden Civil War alluded to in the epilogue. Besides the fact that it's stupid in principle (what would the Grey Wardens have a civil war about anyways?), it just felt like an unnecessary twist of the knife, you know? Sudden Sequel Heel Syndrome is one of my least favourite tropes ever, and I generally find this constant urge to take interesting organizations and/or characters and put them in the antagonist role for the sake of drama or shock value to be self-destructive at best. What Bioware did with the Wardens is the same idiotic deconstructive impulse that you see too damn often in bad comic books; shaking things up by suddenly having characters act villainously for spurious reasons. The Wardens have always been portrayed as morally ambigueous, but well intentioned. Inquisition just made them both idiotic and inept, and if your story ever has to rely on such a change, well, then it's not a very good one.
/end rant
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