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Sister Nightingale: Leliana in DA:I Appreciation&Discussion (Nope, still not romanceable)


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The bug don't like is after hardening her I still get this dialog:  "I walked where the Maker led me and He has rewarded me for my faith.  I found you."

 

Instead of:  "I had no idea where my path would lead.  But I must have done something right.  It led me to you.  To love."



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I played all the romances in DAO to the end, and my favorite is still Leliana's (obviously). Alistair and Leliana are the two romances that start sweet and stay sweet (unless Alistair becomes king and you aren't human...). Morrigan and Zevran start off being about sex and end up sweet. I can't help but feel that you have to metagame to really enjoy them. After all, a Warden who romances them might not be after a committed relationship, thus why they are romancing them instead of the other two, and the shift might be an unpleasant turn for those players.

 

In the end, all the DAO romances end up being quite sweet, but Leliana's the sweetest.  :wub:

 

Yeah, there wasn't a single bad romance in all of DAO. While I would argue that Leliana's is the bet (or at least my personal favourite), all of them are very engaging and well-written.



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To be honest, people I know who've romanced Morrigan agree that her friendship path is more rewarding and heartbreaking, regardless whether you are a male or female Warden.

If female, you're basically like a sister to her, her only real family she's ever had.

If male, even if she doesn't call you brother, you are still the first man in her life who just wants to be friends with her, likes to give her gifts/help her without asking anything in return.

Which is why when Morrigan revealed the truth about why she came along to my male Lelimancing Warden, the Dark Ritual was the most bittersweet and tough moment both for me and my Warden in Origins. On one hand there's the sadness and resentfulness toward Morrigan for what she hid from him all along and the sudden realization; what if Morrigan used his friendship all along? On the other hand, there's the sense of betrayal he feels he is doing to Leliana, by having a child with another woman and not having the courage to tell her about it right away. :(

Ah but to me the reason why I love the Morrigan romance is because at first she sleeps with you because she thinks that's all you want, but then she starts to push you away. You wonder why. You question what you are doing wrong, but you can't figure it out. Then she drops the dark ritual bombshell and it all becomes clear; she was scared of getting too close because she knew what she must do. It's heartbreaking because you know that it could've been more. Then in Witch Hunt you can track her down and step through the eluvian together. It felt so satisfying to me, and then the payback of what she says in Inquisition made it even more worthwhile...

Not that the friendship path isn't also awesome.
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Morrigan's romance arc was great until the Witch Hunt DLC. I think having that romance arc end in a happily ever after was a mistake. It had the perfect ending already in DA:O before DLC. 

 

Its still very good, just not as good as it was before DLC. 



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Morrigan's romance arc was great until the Witch Hunt DLC. I think having that romance arc end in a happily ever after was a mistake. It had the perfect ending already in DA:O before DLC. 

 

Its still very good, just not as good as it was before DLC. 

 

Eh...personally, I'm not sure an endless separation left hanging there is what I qualify as a great ending for any romance arc. I'd certainly be miffed if that was the case with Leliana, and I will be miffed if that ends up being the case with Solas. I don't expect a happy ending for the latter, mind you, but there should at least be something to close it off appropriately. 


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Eh...personally, I'm not sure an endless separation left hanging there is what I qualify as a great ending for any romance arc. I'd certainly be miffed if that was the case with Leliana, and I will be miffed if that ends up being the case with Solas. I don't expect a happy ending for the latter, mind you, but there should at least be something to close it off appropriately. 

I would want to aim for a happy ending there. I don't really know what I want for my elf precisely, but I'm sorely tempted to break orientation and romance Solas for the plot.



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Weekes literally said the Solas romance was added for the purpose of making his story more tragic, so I'm not holding my breath in this instance. Getting tangled up with an ancient demigod seemingly on a revenge path is the kind of story that really doesn't seem like it could end any other way.

I'm not actually expecting my Lavellan and Solas to get together again and reconcile in the inevitable DLC. Some closure, but in what form remains to be seen.
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Weekes literally said the Solas romance was added for the purpose of making his story more tragic, so I'm not holding my breath in this instance. Getting tangled up with an ancient demigod seemingly on a revenge path is the kind of story that really doesn't seem like it could end any other way.

I'm not actually expecting my Lavellan and Solas to get together again and reconcile in the inevitable DLC. Some closure, but in what form remains to be seen.

Even if not romancing him, I'd want to join him in his quest.



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I guess I could see there being some kind of option to join him...from what I've seen people speculating his big goal is, though, (usually ranges from 'destroy all humans' to 'destroy the veil') my Lavellan might have to say no.

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I hear rattlesnake is very tasty...


It is!

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I would want to aim for a happy ending there. I don't really know what I want for my elf precisely, but I'm sorely tempted to break orientation and romance Solas for the plot.

 

I'm really curious, do you usually only play self inserts then? That playing a character with a different orientation from yours qualifies as ignoring or breaking your own orientation? 

 

It's just that I don't think I've ever seen it that way. I've always tried to craft my character in some way, typically apart from myself...I mean, they might share some of my morals or my preferences, but I approach it in the same way I approach writing fiction. "What is the background of this character within the lore What are the reasons they want what they want?" That kind of thing. I like playing male characters nearly as well as I like playing females, and I give them different orientations to suit the kind of character I want to explore. 


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I'm really curious, do you usually only play self inserts then? That playing a character with a different orientation from yours qualifies as ignoring or breaking your own orientation? 

 

It's just that I don't think I've ever seen it that way. I've always tried to craft my character in some way, typically apart from myself...I mean, they might share some of my morals or my preferences, but I approach it in the same way I approach writing fiction. "What is the background of this character within the lore What are the reasons they want what they want?" That kind of thing. I like playing male characters nearly as well as I like playing females, and I give them different orientations to suit the kind of character I want to explore. 

Basically, I tend to only want one story to be told. The concept of playing a story that ultimately doesn't go anywhere and won't be carried over into the next game is not, by and large, appealing to me, and the fact that I have multiple playthroughs in Inquisition is testament only to the fact that I'm having a remarkably hard time finding a single one that's satisfying.



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Basically, I tend to only want one story to be told. The concept of playing a story that ultimately doesn't go anywhere and won't be carried over into the next game is not, by and large, appealing to me, and the fact that I have multiple playthroughs in Inquisition is testament only to the fact that I'm having a remarkably hard time finding a single one that's satisfying.

 

Huh. I think we might be describing different things. I love lacing a theme into each world state, and definitely carrying that over into the next game.

 

I was happy, for example, when it turned out that we could leave Hawke to sacrifice themselves in the fade, because it let me carry on my the theme of sacrifice I had in a few of my DAO play throughs. My female Amell, for example, sacrificed her true love for the sake of her country, and her life for the sake of the world. Her cousin then followed in that tradition. Narratively, it was exactly what I wanted. 

 

But...I have nine different world states, and eight different partial DAI play throughs, so maybe my style is overindulgent.  :ph34r:

 

Anyway, sorry you haven't found something to suit you.  :(



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Weekes literally said the Solas romance was added for the purpose of making his story more tragic, so I'm not holding my breath in this instance. Getting tangled up with an ancient demigod seemingly on a revenge path is the kind of story that really doesn't seem like it could end any other way.

I'm not actually expecting my Lavellan and Solas to get together again and reconcile in the inevitable DLC. Some closure, but in what form remains to be seen.

 

I'm sure there'll be an option for continuing that romance.

 

Just have to pay 20 dollars!



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This song is sort of how I picture the whole Witch Hunt parting between Morrigan and Lilith (in my opinion, said song works a little better when one is a mage).

 

 

 

I know I've really become obsessed (in a good way) with a TV show/video game when I start to hear songs and insert characters in them xD This was a great example. Thanks :D



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Huh. I think we might be describing different things. I love lacing a theme into each world state, and definitely carrying that over into the next game.

 

I was happy, for example, when it turned out that we could leave Hawke to sacrifice themselves in the fade, because it let me carry on my the theme of sacrifice I had in a few of my DAO play throughs. My female Amell, for example, sacrificed her true love for the sake of her country, and her life for the sake of the world. Her cousin then followed in that tradition. Narratively, it was exactly what I wanted. 

 

But...I have nine different world states, and eight different partial DAI play throughs, so maybe my style is overindulgent.  :ph34r:

 

Anyway, sorry you haven't found something to suit you.  :(

Well... I'm having reasonably good feelings about my qunari playthrough, and hope that that works out.


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I'm sure there'll be an option for continuing that romance.

 

Just have to pay 20 dollars!

Well, we did pay 20 bucks for Lair of the Shadow Broker and Citadel. It's the circle of life!



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I'm sure there'll be an option for continuing that romance.

Just have to pay 20 dollars!


Eh...with what Weekes has been hinting about what's likely the Solas DLC, it sounds like it'll be more 'Pay us to make you miserable.' :S

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'Love is common'

 

 

made me :( when Leliana said that.    Thinking back to DAO with how her voice was full of hope, warmth and dreams...

 

 

 

 

 

 


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#14020
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"If we lose hope in love, then we are truly lost."

LELI NOOOEEEE

That 'love is common' line felt kinda weird when it happened right after she just gushed about the Warden. Kinda hurts Leli. :(

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'Love is common'

 

 

made me :( when Leliana said that.    Thinking back to DAO with how her voice was full of hope, warmth and dreams...

That and the "Go to the library if you want stories" line.



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That and the "Go to the library if you want stories" line.


I can only imagine what would happen if she was a companion now, and we had the 'What do you know of this place?' dialogue again.

Inquisitor: "What do you know of this place?"
Leliana: "Read your codex damnit, it just updated."
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#14023
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Y'know I bet when the Warden shows up at Skyhold some time after DAI s/he'll ask Leliana for stories, to which she'll gladly accept, spinning a long, epic tale...and then the Inquisitor, listening from the other end of the room, is all 'oh hell naw you didn't tell me nothing' and then begins to cry at this rejection of dem stories.

...my headcanoning always seems to be cruel to my Inquisitor for some reason. :lol:

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I remember during Josephine's romance there is one scene where Leliana is teasing Josie in her study and has a big smile on her face - and it struck me as so jarring and out of place up to that point in the game for Leliana. 

 

I realized I had gotten used to reserved, colder Leliana. 

 

I do like going back on youtube and watching those warm and caring campfire talks with the Warden or various banter where she is sweet, enthusiastic, vulnerable and funny  - teasing Sten about being a softy, wanting to go shoe shopping with Morrigan,  trading wits with Zevran or Oghren farting at her  (well maybe not the last one)


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#14025
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The good old Leliana and the Warden/Lels feels was pretty much my primary incentive for replaying Origins after DAI. I was feeling all waxing goddamn nostalgic.

...I still miss my Warden...