The good old Leliana and the Warden/Lels feels was pretty much my primary incentive for replaying Origins after DAI. I was feeling all waxing goddamn nostalgic.
...I still miss my Warden...
I didn't wait to finish DAI. I don't think I even got out of Haven before I started another DAO playthrough.
I didn't wait to finish DAI. I don't think I even got out of Haven before I started another DAO playthrough.
I was admittedly kind of tempted the moment I got to the feels barrage that was the 'She is always in my thoughts, even when we are far apart...' line in Haven, but I waited until after. :S
You were stronger than I. 
I dropped DAI almost as fast as I dropped Alistair when I found out that Leliana enjoyed the company of women.
I did eventually come back to DAI though.
Alistair wasn't so fortunate. 
You were stronger than I.
I did eventually come back to DAI though.
Alistair wasn't so fortunate.
I like her better in Origins, but I do agree they've done a good job with developing her. I'm still extremely 'meh' on quite a few things in Inquisition regarding her, and really hope Inquisition was the last chapter in her story so I can actually get the ending I want this time...but overall, she's one of the most well-rounded characters in the series by now, no doubt. The fact that this thread is still one of the most active character threads despite the character existing for 5 years now is testament to that. :S
Yeah, definitely agree with that.
Even though her character had some moments in Inquisition where the writers seemed to go a little too far with Darkside Leliana (A bard with no tongue can tell no lies, for example), I loved what they did with her.
Some might say Morrigan's development is better than Leliana's, because Morri's character ends up being more nice, while Leliana turns out very cold and reserved.
People shouldn't consider good character writing only being the one where the character goes from rude and bloodthirsty ---> soft and caring. It can be the other way around and be just as well-written. The most important part is the execution of said writing and for it to make sense with the character's surroundings, history and motivations.
Which is why there hardly any people complaining about Leliana's change of character compared to Liara's from Mass Effect.
Contrary to Liara, Leliana at least had a very sensible and believable reason as to why she was the way she is in Inquisition, while Liara's change from shy, awkward girl to a I'll-flay-you-with-my-mind badass in ME2 seemed like it was written for the sole purpose of making Liara be more hardcore in the Wrex-sort-of-way. 
That and the "Go to the library if you want stories" line.
Contrary to Liara, Leliana at least had a very sensible and believable reason as to why she was the way she is in Inquisition, while Liara's change from shy, awkward girl to a I'll-flay-you-with-my-mind badass in ME2 seemed like it was written for the sole purpose of making Liara be more hardcore in the Wrex-sort-of-way.
Liara kind of sums up the other reason, besides the obvious desire to not have the thing with the Warden ruined as I've expressed before, that I'd rather not have Leliana back again in the next games. No matter what you do in Inquisition, her story feels fairly complete. Bringing her back would really just be pushing it, and would likely end up feeling really disjointed and weird like I felt Liara's did after the first game. I got the sense they didn't really know what to do with her.
I imagine at most we'll have is the player's Divine Victoria showing up for a cameo in Tevinter....maybe invited to one of the Black Divine's legendary dinner parties
I imagine at most we'll have is the player's Divine Victoria showing up for a cameo in Tevinter....maybe invited to one of the Black Divine's legendary dinner parties
I'd be okay with that, yes. Leliana isn't my Divine anyway, so it'd mean I'd get to see Cassandra in Tevinter. Glorious. 
I'd be okay with that, yes. Leliana isn't my Divine anyway, so it'd mean I'd get to see Cassandra in Tevinter. Glorious.
Even money says she breaks the Black Divine's jaw.
Even money says she breaks the Black Divine's jaw.
And if negotiations go awry, she can pull the 'burn the lyrium in his blood' trick. 
I think that the problem with Liara's character change in ME2 was not that it happened but the fact that you needed either to play Lair of the Shadow Broker or have read the comics to understand it. It's not such a big change as it might appear, but you need to understand that it's tied to her loyal and compassionate personality. She couldn't give up on Shepard, and then she couldn't give up on Feron. She forced herself to become more badass in order to fix her own mistakes.Contrary to Liara, Leliana at least had a very sensible and believable reason as to why she was the way she is in Inquisition, while Liara's change from shy, awkward girl to a I'll-flay-you-with-my-mind badass in ME2 seemed like it was written for the sole purpose of making Liara be more hardcore in the Wrex-sort-of-way.
And if negotiations go awry, she can pull the 'burn the lyrium in his blood' trick.
I don't know; I'm really hoping for a chance to see Leliana as Divine.
Also... what do people think about Cassandra apparently not wanting to be the Right Hand for Leliana if she's Divine?
Also... what do people think about Cassandra apparently not wanting to be the Right Hand for Leliana if she's Divine?
I think that it's Leliana who doesn't want Cassandra as her right hand.
Well, my Hero of Ferelden would be willing to take the position. Assume as many positions as requested, really.
Even money says she breaks the Black Divine's jaw.
Or his entire god'amn empire...
And if negotiations go awry, she can pull the 'burn the lyrium in his blood' trick.
Wait, can she... Oh. You're talking about Divine Cass, not Divine Leli. I see...
Leliana would probably just slip something untraceable into his tea. Not quite as cool as burning him from the inside out tbh. :S
I don't know; I'm really hoping for a chance to see Leliana as Divine.
Er...I'm not sure what in my post you're responding to the 'I don't know' is for. Post is kinda unrelated. I don't care if we see Leliana as Divine so long as the non-Divine version stays on the sidelines.
I don't know; I'm really hoping for a chance to see Leliana as Divine.
Also... what do people think about Cassandra apparently not wanting to be the Right Hand for Leliana if she's Divine?
I don't imagine Leliana or Cassandra would have much desire to serve as a hand for whatever Divine gets elected, anyway. They both seemed pretty done with all that. Leliana especially.
Cassandra probably just offers if Leliana becomes Divine because we all know how duty-oriented she is - and I'm guessing Leliana most certainly does not offer to be Left Hand for Cassandra.
*stuff*
*spoilered because this picture is really friggin big*
Divine Victoria making her entrance to the Black Divine's dinner party in DA 4
Black Divine giving a speech to all his guests at the dinner table when an arrow flies past his head into a nearby wall with a BOING comedy sound effect.
Then you see Leliana all 
For Divine Cassandra you'd just hear a *disgusted noise* (directed at everything in Tevinter) somewhere in the background before she stomps in wearing full plate armour to a dinner party. :S
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