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[Basement Cat]

Some new arts from DA

 

First something cute.

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Now something sexy. NSFW

[Andreas Amell]

Elissa? What my Dragonborn from Skyrim doing in Thedas? Dammit Alistair! You've stolen my heroine!

[Serza]

Elissa? What my Dragonborn from Skyrim doing in Thedas? Dammit Alistair! You've stolen my heroine!

 

It's also the default for a female Human Noble.

[Miss Quisitor]

It's her response to the "I knew last night was a bad idea. You're all crazy now." dialogue in the 'morning after' scene. 

 

Most people don't choose it because they might have thought the Warden was actually being serious. In reality the line is just them being a tease. :S

 

Oh, thanks Snook...ah yes, i remember it well...the morning after the night before.  

[Basement Cat]

I'dbeen trying to find that one for a while.

 

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[Basement Cat]

And Leliana fighting! Because why not?

 

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[N7_Heartfire]

^ I love the style with which the artist draws Lels. ^.^ It's perfect for her.

 

http://rugger.imgur.com/

 

Beautiful...

[ThePhoenixKing]

And Leliana fighting! Because why not?

 

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^ I love the style with which the artist draws Lels. ^.^ It's perfect for her.

 

http://rugger.imgur.com/

 

Beautiful...

 

Lots of awesome art, thanks so much for sharing!

[Lenimph]

I haven't been here in a while (I've been avoiding the BSN as people we're pissing me off) so anyway I'm not going to backtrack and look at the entire thread but I'm curious as if Leliana's possible connections to Dirthamen were discussed in here. 

 

Dirthaman the elven god of secrets and knowledge, and master of the ravens, Fear and Deceit. Portrayed as a hooded figure and taught the Elves faith in family.  There are some parallels no? 

[thats1evildude]

I haven't been here in a while (I've been avoiding the BSN as people we're pissing me off) so anyway I'm not going to backtrack and look at the entire thread but I'm curious as if Leliana's possible connections to Dirthamen were discussed in here.

 

obviously that was her dad

 

leliana is half-elven

 

omg my fanfic was right

 

(It's an interesting parallel, though I don't know if there's anything to it.)

[Lenimph]

I think Leliana being Dirthamen's vessel (similar to the theory about Sera holding Andruil) could explain a lot of things.  I know it's been suggested in the past that maybe Leliana is a hedgemage as she seems to able to accomplish grandiose achievements without much effort, and even being able to cheat death.  But I feel like thats too simple of an explanation so I'm just going to throw in few stuff up on the table to think about. 

 

Starting with the obvious is Leliana's role as the spy keeper in the inquisition and all the stuff I mentioned in my last post. These are somewhat shallow comparisons but I do not think that it is mere coincidence that Leliana's "makeover" just happens to reference the lore of an old Elven god so strikingly. Especially since the game suggests that Leliana's relationship with the ravens is seemingly mystic.   

 

Unfortunately that's about as concrete as it gets because the rest of my theory exists on more theory so.. yeah. 

I have always noted that there seems to be many parallels between Leliana and Andraste herself.  In the past I always thought maybe this was because she was perhaps related to her somehow, or even her reincarnate.  With all the new lore I believe that Andraste was the vessel of Dumat or rather the first "OGB" If it turns out they were both vessels it might explain why they both had "visions", and Leliana believed (in DA:O) that the maker was still among us, because she does have a unknown force driving her to do what she does.   Flemeth's merging with Mythal has shown that these old Elven spirits can seem to just vessel jump in a way so when this potentially happened to Leliana is unknown to me. My guess is at two places, before DA:O or after the death of the Divine when Leliana feels lost to her faith. 

 

Then the "Nightingale Eyes" song seems to allude to the Elven gods trapped beyond the Eluvians, all that "we're hiding in the dark" stuff sounds similar to Cole's dialogue about the Gods. It ends with the desire to find a key. It's kind of odd that Leliana is associated with this, but it could just be coincidence and the song is just speaking metaphorically about Leliana feeling lost in the darkness that she's been in since the death of the divine and that she's just looking for a key to set herself free. 

Possibly...  but the "we" makes me think other wise. 

 

Dirthamen seems reliant on the companionship of Falon Din. Leliana is constant in this in her character as well, having a sense of need of reliance for a partner. The first being with Marjolaine and then the Divine. It is also interesting to note that the Divine guides the inquisitor through the fade while Falon Din' guides the dead to the afterlife.  Dirthamen in his youth also enjoyed the company of nature and animals. 

 

Leliana pretty much randomly knew "In Uthenera" in DA:O 

 

I think this is the best explanation as to why she can suddenly come back to life if she was killed off in DA:O. Ultimately Leliana is special, even more so then I think we have gotten to see so far. 

 

Anyway I hope some enjoys my nonsense. 

[N7_Heartfire]

There have been a lot of theories about Leliana, but the most popular are the ones you mentioned; her being a descendant of Andraste and her carrying the soul of Dirthamen. I personally support the latter, since her being both of these things would be a bit pushing it. No matter what, I've mentioned a few times myself that there is still something secret about Leliana's character that we don't know about. Something the devs are holding back. Her having a resistance to the Blight, escaping death, etc.

 

Either we learn something relating to these theories about Leliana in the World of Thedas Vol.2 (since she is one of the characters that gets the most pages in the book) or we find out in a future Inquisition DLC which might possibly involve Solas. I mean if Leliana carries the vessel of an Old God then that would mean Solas will go after her as well, which would require her to have a central role again. The fact Leliana is the only one who actively searches for Solas as she feels it's her fault he got away is a good start for a DLC.

 

All in all, if the devs decide to hit Leliana with the vessel-of-an-old-elven-god stick or anything else related to the big picture, I hope it isn't something that would drag on her character for DA4. 

Unless Bioware decides to say f*ck you to what the Lels fans and Lelianamancers want and establish Leliana and Morrigan as central characters for every other Dragon Age game. I personally, prefer to have an entirely new cast for DA4 and DA5.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Last thing da setting needs is another +1 to mary sue for leliana.

[wright1978]

I honestly don't see them sprinkling that fairy dust on her character. I don't think we need complex solutions for what was retcon because they really wanted to use the character again. She's fine as she is and I'm very doubtful they will pull her back into a major tole again that any such revelation would necessitate.

[Lenimph]

 

Unless Bioware decides to say f*ck you to what the Lels fans and Lelianamancers want and establish Leliana and Morrigan as central characters for every other Dragon Age game. I personally, prefer to have an entirely new cast for DA4 and DA5.

Speak for yourself. I would have no problem with Leliana being central to every game, but I doubt that would happen anyway. (The romance between Leliana and the warden is nice but I don't really care about what happens between them anymore as the Warden is no longer my character and any headcanons I had in the past are totally gone.)

 

Oh and I forgot to add the blight resistance as to one of the other reasons I think she's holding Dirthamen.  But mostly at this point this is another reason I have found DA:I so unsatisfactory as it has answered somethings but raised so many other questions.

[N7_Heartfire]

Sorry to hear about your disappointment regarding your Warden and his/her romance with Leliana.

 

As for DAI raising many questions, there's still the World of Thedas book that's set to come out in a few weeks and a few story based DLCs for Inquisition. Who knows, the DLCs might add around 20-30 hours more story that will wrap up any questions regarding the characters.

[Lenimph]

I honestly don't see them sprinkling that fairy dust on her character. I don't think we need complex solutions for what was retcon because they really wanted to use the character again. She's fine as she is and I'm very doubtful they will pull her back into a major tole again that any such revelation would necessitate.

I disagree. I believe from the beginning that they were always setting up Leliana to be something special (or at least before they started working/writing on DA2)  Leliana's Song set up the path for the role of Divine Justinia and in DA:O she was our first insight into the world and I giant mouthpiece for lore. Pratically all we learned about Orlais was from Leliana but we also learned a lot about things not pertaining to her (like Flemeth, Aveline, the Dalish). Leliana knew a lot before she was "important". 

 

I do find it interesting that they made a character with so much knowledge optional, but they also did that to Isabela who was pretty essential to DA2's plot. 

[ThePhoenixKing]

I haven't been here in a while (I've been avoiding the BSN as people we're pissing me off) so anyway I'm not going to backtrack and look at the entire thread but I'm curious as if Leliana's possible connections to Dirthamen were discussed in here. 

 

Dirthaman the elven god of secrets and knowledge, and master of the ravens, Fear and Deceit. Portrayed as a hooded figure and taught the Elves faith in family.  There are some parallels no?

 

I totally understand where you're coming from. Certainly all the posts I've read over the past little while belittling the Wardens haven't done any good for my blood pressure. As for your theory, it's an interesting one, and while I'm not entirely sure if it's true for Leliana, or even a parallel the writers meant to draw, it's still cool nonetheless. And I could totally see her taking up the mantle, as it were, given her interest in elven culture, maybe use it as a code name when communicating with her elven contacts or something to that effect.

 

And don't fret about people on the BSN pissing you off. Sometimes, people just have really stupid, inarticulate opinions.

 

Last thing da setting needs is another +1 to mary sue for leliana.

 

Case in point...

[TheKomandorShepard]

And don't fret about people on the BSN pissing you off. Sometimes, people just have really stupid, inarticulate opinions.

 

 

Case in point...

Yes she is just praised to havens by every character that mention her in pretty much every angle (pretty much dai is one big pandering
 to her character), immune to blight ,back from dead , loved by animals , can remove whole history of justified hatred (in that case we go to her ridiculous endings) ,can do whatever she wants like threaten her supervisor without any consequences ,gets away with things and is pardoned ,writers push her in most products.

 

And it is still without WoT vol 2.

 

And now make her god totally not mary sue.     

[LadyStoneheart]

It's a cool theory Lenimph, and I like it much more than the "Leliana is secretly elfblooded" theory I've been reading about lately on tumblr. Unfortunately I'm really bad at elven lore so I can't elaborate on that.

 

All in all, if the devs decide to hit Leliana with the vessel-of-an-old-elven-god stick or anything else related to the big picture, I hope it isn't something that would drag on her character for DA4. 

Unless Bioware decides to say f*ck you to what the Lels fans and Lelianamancers want and establish Leliana and Morrigan as central characters for every other Dragon Age game. I personally, prefer to have an entirely new cast for DA4 and DA5.

 

Wait a minute, when did all Leli's fans and Lelianamancers state their official opinion on this matter? If there is some poll around here I definitely haven't voted yet.

 

Seriously though, it's infuriating enough that the devs basically decided to drop whatever the HoF is up to just because the fans didn't like Hawke's role in DA:I, it would be even worse to me if the same thing happened with Leliana. As much as I ship her with my F!Tabris, Leliana is not just the Warden's lover to me and I happen to like her as a character much more than any of my OCs; so I wouldn't mind if she had a big role in the future (although it's unlikely) if that's what makes sense within the story.

[N7_Heartfire]

I could definitely see her having a huge role in a future Inquisition DLC, as for DA4, well, we don't know yet.

 

Never even once the writers have said that Inquisition is Leliana's final game, the only thing Sheryl has said was something along the lines of; It's been a long road for her and in Inquisition, we'll get to see how her journey has shaped her as a person, and where the path might take her in the future. 

 

Even though Leliana has multiple fates as of Inquisition (Spymaster or Divine), if she does turn out to be some vessel of an Old God and the devs decide to drag Solas' story for a whole new game instead of a DLC, we might be seeing more of Leliana.

 

As for the people who romanced her, I personally would be fine if she and my Warden are separated again (since I headcanon that even after the Blight they had an on and off relationship).

 

And let's be honest, people who romanced Morrigan or Warden Alistair have it much worse. The price of romancing an essential character in Dragon Age. Despite the fact all three romance options were popular, the writers are always going to put the overall story first and the romance second.

[Qun00]

Today I successfully stopped Leliana from killing Natalie.

But here's the thing, after the quest was done I did a little test and asked her for bard stories. She still told me to look into the library.

What, is she only 99% softened?

[Master Warder Z_]

Elissa? What my Dragonborn from Skyrim doing in Thedas? Dammit Alistair! You've stolen my heroine!

Well he is Alistair.

He's so high the entire game he forgot he took lyrium.

It isn't a surprise he stole your stash

[Miss Quisitor]

Today I successfully stopped Leliana from killing Natalie.

But here's the thing, after the quest was done I did a little test and asked her for bard stories. She still told me to look into the library.

What, is she only 99% softened?

 

Leliana used to love telling stories...now she thinks it was she that failed Justinia...not the other way around. Leliana is in a...too her anyway...state of despair, depression, and can't be bothered with tales she would of loved to tell you. So sad.

[N7_Heartfire]

So, there was this post on Tumblr about the ages of Dragon Age Inquisition characters and everyone is freaking out that Leliana is 40+ in Inquisition, which is total bull****.

 

Leliana says in Origins that she was born in Orlais after her mother moved from Ferelden when the Rebellion ended. The Rebellion ended in 9:02 Dragon, which means she can't be older than 28 in Origins. I always figured she was the youngest of the Divine candidates; Vivienne in her 40s, Cass is 37 and Leliana would be around 35/36.

 

And her being 40 and Josie being 27-29 sort of doesn't sit well.