The most interesting detail for me in that, is that it confirms that the events of Leliana's Song were an embellishment.
I think the version of that story she told to the Warden is the correct one.
That's what I think as well. The story she told the Warden makes more sense to me than the one from LS.
That's what I think as well. The story she told the Warden makes more sense to me than the one from LS.
Also wouldn't seem right if Leliana lied to the Warden about the details after just apologizing for lying in the first place.
I don't recall so someone help me out - what is different between what Leliana tells the Warden about her bard days and Leliana's Song?
The Warden's version:I don't recall so someone help me out - what is different between what Leliana tells the Warden about her bard days and Leliana's Song?
I have a question about Leliana's personal quest:
If I soften her, will she still offer to slaughter everyone in war table missions? 
Seriously, her ways are most brutal. I almost find it impossible to picture a soft Leliana behind those missions, and even though it was my natural inclination to soften her I reloaded when I realized what happened.
You can't expect her to be the goody two shoes after a worse-than-death experience and years of handling unsavoury business. Still, her ability to move on in life is amazing.I have a question about Leliana's personal quest:
If I soften her, will she still offer to slaughter everyone in war table missions?
Seriously, her ways are most brutal. I almost find it impossible to picture a soft Leliana behind those missions, and even though it was my natural inclination to soften her I reloaded when I realized what happened.
The Warden's version:
- Leliana was captured by Orlesian guards.
- She was sent to kill someone and take the documents off from him for Marjolaine.
The DLC's version:
- She was captured by a Fereldan military commander by the name of Raleigh.
- She didn't kill anybody for the documents. Marjolaine just gave them to her so she could plant it in the arl's estate.
Yeah, in the Warden version she is captured in Orlais and flees to Ferelden. While in the LS version, she is captured in Ferelden and flees to...Ferelden?
"Ferelden protected my person, while the Maker saved my soul".
It makes more sense to me that she'd flee to another country where Orlais couldn't just march in and grab her.
And why would she be tortured for leaving Orlesian documents in Ferelden? Shouldn't they have been more like, "Thanks for the information!" Now if she was caught in Orlais with Orlesian documents, being tortured by her captors makes more sense.
"Orlais has been at war with so many countries. It takes a harsh view of such things... as I later discovered."
Of course, this is only what I think. I would like to hear what other people think. Is there anything that I missed that would make the LS version sound like it was the real version over DAO?
Yeah, in the Warden version she is captured in Orlais and flees to Ferelden. While in the LS version, she is captured in Ferelden and flees to...Ferelden?
"Ferelden protected my person, while the Maker saved my soul".
It makes more sense to me that she'd flee to another country where Orlais couldn't just march in and grab her.
And why would she be tortured for leaving Orlesian documents in Ferelden? Shouldn't they have been more like, "Thanks for the information!" Now if she was caught in Orlais with Orlesian documents, being tortured by her captors makes more sense.
"Orlais has been at war with so many countries. It takes a harsh view of such things... as I later discovered."
Of course, this is only what I think.
*please excuse my discombobulated effort*
Leliana wasn't captured after leaving the documents; she was captured after she retook them. The documents would have implicated Raleigh (a Ferelden officer) in treason, so capturing her and torturing her makes sense as it's a way to "see what she knew" (although, he was apparently a rather sick human being with a penchant for sadism) At least, that was the excuse that was used.
After Leliana confronts Marjolaine about the documents, Marjolaine leaves to take care of things. Obviously, she went to let Raleigh know what was going on so (1) his reputation could be salvaged and (2) Marjolaine could rid herself of the threat Leliana represented.
Leliana was able to flee to Ferelden because the only two threats to her being in Ferelden were removed. Marjolaine would've gone to a place a strength while she waited for Leliana's counter move, as well as return to the relative safety of Orlais. Raleigh, well, he's dead and no one else that knew of the treason would've had any reason to frame it on Leliana.
The DLC had a framed narrative feel to it -obviously a bard at her finest- so the truth would have been embellished for entertainment and dramatic purposes. I'd have to say that the DLC is most likely the way Leliana related the story as a way of distancing herself from the past while still honoring its memory (if that makes any sense). Sketch, though, isn't as compartmentalized as Leliana, so he would get more worked up when the simple truth is obfuscated. Of course, the story she tells the Warden could just have easily been an oversimplification of things; the factual details getting set aside so the emotional truth could be related.
Playing Origins makes me remember how great I thought Leliana was. Between her, Morrigan, and Alistair, all were my favorites. I honestly think her quality-of-writing and overall personality took a significant decline in quality though in Inquisition. She could've gone off with the Warden and never had to partake in the 'War Table' nonsense and there would've been no difference. Not to mention her getting retconned in terms of backstory.
I prefer to remember the soulful and optimistic lay sister too....with a song in her heart and compassion for all
*runs off in tears* 
Playing Origins makes me remember how great I thought Leliana was. Between her, Morrigan, and Alistair, all were my favorites. I honestly think her quality-of-writing and overall personality took a significant decline in quality though in Inquisition. She could've gone off with the Warden and never had to partake in the 'War Table' nonsense and there would've been no difference. Not to mention her getting retconned in terms of backstory.
I'd say for me it's the complete opposite.
I think Inquisition made Leliana a more interesting, darker and more complex and layered character. Her, Cass, Solas and Varric were key characters in the story, it was obvious they were preparing Leliana to be something more ever since Leliana's Song in 2010.
I can understand why some people who loved her for her caring and loving nature in Origins are disappointed with her character. In a way her descending from loving, cheerful to cold and calculating can be seen as a decline in character personality. She is more direct, blunt and serious, no singing, dancing, sharing stories or any thing that made so many players romance her in Origins.
But, considering what she's been through and seeing how Inquisition alludes to the very questionable things she's done as Left Hand/Spymaster, I think more people would have been pissed if she remained unchanged at all. I'd say Leliana's development through the games/books is very natural and believable.
Yeah, in the Warden version she is captured in Orlais and flees to Ferelden. While in the LS version, she is captured in Ferelden and flees to...Ferelden?
"Ferelden protected my person, while the Maker saved my soul".
It makes more sense to me that she'd flee to another country where Orlais couldn't just march in and grab her.
I think she meant to say "Lothering". The "Maker saved my soul" part is probably referring to that.
And why would she be tortured for leaving Orlesian documents in Ferelden? Shouldn't they have been more like, "Thanks for the information!" Now if she was caught in Orlais with Orlesian documents, being tortured by her captors makes more sense.
"Orlais has been at war with so many countries. It takes a harsh view of such things... as I later discovered."
In the DLC, I recall Raleigh said something like this:
"... An Orlesian spy, caught with her hands on hard-won Fereldan intelligence..."
I assume that "hard-won Fereldan intelligence" is actually information regarding the Orlesian military given to Raleigh by Marjolaine. That's why Marjolaine sent Leliana to put it in the arl's bedroom where Raleigh could retrieve it. Since Leliana chickened-out while carrying out Marjolaine's plans, Marjolaine had Leliana framed to make her look as though she was caught stealing Orlesian intelligence from the Fereldans and sending them back to Orlais.
I still think Leliana has a sweet disposition hidden inside. Showing that side of her will probably scare the cr*p out of everyone, except the players because they know what she's like back in Origins. A banter with Dorian and a messenger about Leliana "checking out everybody's undergarments is S.O.P. in the Inquisition" reveals that being nice IS scary. Or perhaps she's done being nice to the world after everything that has befallen on her. Other than a crisis of faith, I suspect she also has this "life is unfair" crisis going on too. Her glumness is justified, I think.
For people who are still bummed as to why she's so sad in DAI can try having their Inquisitors singing this song to the spymaster. 
Just brace yourself, cuz it's a loooooong way down to Solas' table from where you are, if you know what I mean...
There is no song in my heart. After doing all the right options for Leliana in Inquisition, she goes and kills the sister even though i said let her go...not kill her. 
There is no song in my heart. After doing all the right options for Leliana in Inquisition, she goes and kills the sister even though i said let her go...not kill her.
Leliana becoming a cruel hardass no matter what the Warden did or the Inquisitor does is one of the biggest flaws in Inquisition's writing.
I wish I could make AMV's about Leliana and the Grey Warden. Somebody already made an Origins one with a song I was thinking of.
There's "Lost" from Within Temptation, but I'd have it set during the Inquisition, and the Warden would be having a nightmare in the Fade over what she fears is happening to Leliana. "Bittersweet" would be told from Leliana's point of view over how much she misses the Hero of Ferelden.
There is no song in my heart. After doing all the right options for Leliana in Inquisition, she goes and kills the sister even though i said let her go...not kill her.
Leliana ruthlessly killing the sister was one of the highlights of my game. That's my girl.
"... An Orlesian spy, caught with her hands on hard-won Fereldan intelligence..."
"How dare Orlais send a spy to steal back the intelligence about Orlais that we had stolen from them, that's just rude!"
Of course, we all know that's how espionage is conducted, but at the same time, it's still always hypocritical whenever spies get angry to find that they've been spied on themselves, or had their spying exposed for everyone to see?
Leliana ruthlessly killing the sister was one of the highlights of my game. That's my girl.
And now after finishing Doom Upon All the World and going through the epilogue i find Leliana was made the new Divine even though i never tried to make her so.
Which is nice but would of been sweeter if she hadn't killed the sister.
Now i stll have loads to do. Although i do find it silly that the war table is still in use.
I wish I could make AMV's about Leliana and the Grey Warden. Somebody already made an Origins one with a song I was thinking of.
There's "Lost" from Within Temptation, but I'd have it set during the Inquisition, and the Warden would be having a nightmare in the Fade over what she fears is happening to Leliana. "Bittersweet" would be told from Leliana's point of view over how much she misses the Hero of Ferelden.
I've yet to find an AMV that is only about the romance between the Warden and Leliana. Either it's an AMV about the events in Origins with a few seconds of Warden/Leli moments or it's about more than one romance.
There was actually a really well done video for Valentine's Day about Alistair and Leliana's romance with the Warden and a few romances in Inquisition. I'll try to find it.
In case anybody is wondering here are lyrics to the songs I've mentioned above:
This is the song I'd choose for Leliana during Inquisition:
Bittersweet
(Within Temptation)
If I tell you
Will you listen?
Will you stay?
Will you be here forever?
Never go away?
Never thought things would change
Hold me tight
Please don't say again
That you have to go
A bitter thought
I had it all
But I just let it go
Hold your silence
It's so violent
since you're gone
All my thoughts are with you forever
Until the day we'll be back together
I will be waiting for you
If I had told you
You would have listened
You had stayed
You would be here forever
Never went away
It would never have been the same
All our time
would have been in vain
Couse you had to go
The sweetest thought
I had it all
Cause I did let you go
All our moments
Keep me warm
When you're gone
All my thought are with you forever
Until the day we'll be back together
I will be waiting for you
This is the song I'd choose for the Warden while desperately searching for a cure. It would be a dream sequence of how much the Hero fears for Leliana. Most would be mixed with scenes from Origin with fears of what's could be happening to Leliana in the Inquisition and the perils that could come from finding a cure.
Lost
(Within Temptation)
My hope is on fire
My dreams are for sale
I dance on a wire
I don't want to fail her
I walk against the stream
Far from what I believe in
I run towards the end
Trying not to give in
She's lost in the darkness
Fading away
I'm still around here
Screaming her name
She's haunting my dreamworld
Trying to survive
My heart is frozen
I'm losing my mind
Help me, I'm buried alive
Buried alive
I'm burning the bridges
And there's no return
I'm trying to reach her
I feel that she yearns
I walk against the stream
Far from what I believe in
I run towards the end
Trying not to give in
She's lost in the darkness
Fading away
I'm still around here
Screaming her name
She's haunting my dreamworld
Trying to survive
My heart is frozen
I'm losing my mind
Help me I'm buried alive
Buried alive
I tried to revive what's already drowned
They think I'm a fool
Can't realize,
Hope plays a wicked game with the mind
'Cause I thought I thought love would bind
I cannot revive what's already drowned
She won't come around
She's lost in the darkness fading away
I'm still around here screaming her name
She's haunting my dreamworld trying to survive
My heart is frozen I'm losing my mind
Help me I'm buried alive
Buried alive
who has more ill will towards eachother - Leliana & Morrigan or Jack & Miranda?
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