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[Han Shot First]

Given the new information regarding Spirits and their relationship with non-mage people ; could it be possible that the voice she heard was just a spirit comforting her? That this same spirit may have lead/compelled Dorothea (?) to free Leliana?

 

Perhaps it's the same spirit that healed her wounds if the Warden "killed" her?

 

It is an interesting theory, but I think Leliana made up the story about hearing a voice. If you bring her along for the Sacred Ashes quest in DA:O the guardian calls her out on it. 

[N7_Heartfire]

 

http://burritorat.tumblr.com/

 

“I miss the Lothering chantry. Sister Leliana told the best stories.”

 

It is an interesting theory, but I think Leliana made up the story about hearing a voice. If you bring her along for the Sacred Ashes quest in DA:O the guardian calls her out on it. 

 

If I remember correctly, I don't think the Guardian outright says she's lying, he doesn't have any proof really...

And doesn't Leliana say in Inquisition she used to believe she was chosen by the Maker to help during the Blight? This basically proves she did believe in her vision, even Cole references it.

[YourFunnyUncle]

 

*snip*

http://burritorat.tumblr.com/

 

“I miss the Lothering chantry. Sister Leliana told the best stories.”

 

What a lovely image. I just had that discussion with Leliana about Hawke and it's family, as it happens.

[ThePhoenixKing]

 

http://burritorat.tumblr.com/

 

“I miss the Lothering chantry. Sister Leliana told the best stories.”

 

 

If I remember correctly, I don't think the Guardian outright says she's lying, he doesn't have any proof really...

And doesn't Leliana say in Inquisition she used to believe she was chosen by the Maker to help during the Blight? This basically proves she did believe in her vision, even Cole references it.

 

Awesome artwork, thanks for sharing!

 

As for the Guardian, I don't think he was necessarily denouncing Leliana's vision, per say, but rather introducing some doubts as a means of testing her. Think about what he says to the others; asking if Wynne worries she's a Chantry puppet, examining Alistair's survivor's guilt, questioning if Sten feels redemption is possible, etc. He's not there to judge them; his questions are designed to force them to judge themselves, to examine their own motivations and ensure they're not just blind zealots ignorant of the consequences of their actions or their own failings. At least, that's my view of it, anyways.

[FadelessRipley]

Awesome artwork, thanks for sharing!

 

As for the Guardian, I don't think he was necessarily denouncing Leliana's vision, per say, but rather introducing some doubts as a means of testing her. Think about what he says to the others; asking if Wynne worries she's a Chantry puppet, examining Alistair's survivor's guilt, questioning if Sten feels redemption is possible, etc. He's not there to judge them; his questions are designed to force them to judge themselves, to examine their own motivations and ensure they're not just blind zealots ignorant of the consequences of their actions or their own failings. At least, that's my view of it, anyways.

 

That art is beautiful! And yes I agree with King there - The Guardian seemed to deliberately pushing their buttons on their most contentious issues, and he doesn't seem to be judging them either way. 

[dsl08002]

That art is beautiful! And yes I agree with King there - The Guardian seemed to deliberately pushing their buttons on their most contentious issues, and he doesn't seem to be judging them either way.

Agree when the guardian asks my male Cousland warden about his parents death, he replies: "yes I should have stayed and defended them to death" because he was ashamed for leaving them behind. so it was merely to be honest to yourself of your deepest trouble and what you truly felt.

[dsl08002]

That art is beautiful! And yes I agree with King there - The Guardian seemed to deliberately pushing their buttons on their most contentious issues, and he doesn't seem to be judging them either way.

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[Serza]

Agree when the guardian asks my male Cousland warden about his parents death, he replies: "yes I should have stayed and defended them to death" because he was ashamed for leaving them behind. so it was merely to be honest to yourself of your deepest trouble and what you truly felt.

 

That reminds me of my Tabris. Even after all that time, she still blamed herself for not being fast enough to rescue Shianni in time.

[ThePhoenixKing]

That reminds me of my Tabris. Even after all that time, she still blamed herself for not being fast enough to rescue Shianni in time.

 

Agreed, my Tabris is much the same.

 

And on the subject of doubts, that's actually one of the things I really like about Leliana. She's a woman of great faith and determination, yes, but she's also willing to step back a bit and examine herself, what she does and what she stands for. Too many of the Inquisition companions are simply judgemental jerks, wholly incapable of any real self-reflection or moments of vulnerability, so it's nice to see Leliana question herself a bit.

 

On another note (if I may be permitted to indulge in some shameless plugging for a moment ), I've just posted the most recent chapter of my Origins novelization The Grey Path, so feel free to check it out: https://www.fanficti...4/The-Grey-Path

 

Here's a small, Leliana-centric sample for you all:

 

“Of course. I love stories far too much to keep them to myself,” came the redhead’s earnest reply. “And what of your people? Do they share stories of elven heroes past?”

 

“There are fewer of those than you might think, regrettably,” lamented Sagramor. “So much of our history has been lost or destroyed over the centuries, and some days, it’s hard to find champions of my folk worth singing about.”

 

Leliana gave a bright smile. “Well, there’s you, isn’t there?” she reminded him.

[Baeraad]

This thread is making me feel vaguely guilty. In my first playthrough, I never even got to know Leliana particularly well despite having high approval with her, since I ran into that bug that makes all her conversation choices disappear. In my second playthrough, I managed to dodge that one, and she and my City Elf Warden ended up having a really sweet love story together... until he Ultimate Sacrificed himself and left her alone again. 

 

Then, in my first DAI playthrough, I completely failed to soften her and had to tell her to her face that I didn't support her for Divine on account of me wanting a candidate that, er... didn't frighten me so terribly.

 

In short: Leliana cannot catch a break in my playthroughs. I am strongly tempted to cheat with the keep and have it turn out that my CE Warden went through with the Dark Ritual after all and so is still around, and then have my second DAI playthrough focused on turning her into the nicest Divine ever. It just feels like I owe it to her.

[Lulupab]

Hardened Leliana made me cringe on my first playthtough, but I quickly started to like her. She didn't change one bit in her compassion and kindness, she was simply more cunning and ruthless when it came to her enemies. She is an ideologist and that's something very hard to be in Thedas, but she is smart and has the means to do it aka her network and connections. A true heir to Justinia.

[Basement Cat]

Ooh! Advisor gifs!

 

Leliana

 

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Josephine

 

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Cullen

 

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[YourFunnyUncle]

Ooh! Advisor gifs!

 

Leliana

 

Spoiler

 

Josephine

 

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Cullen

 

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Talking of Leliana's pretty smile, I can't seem to get a nice screengrab of her from the chat you have when entering the celebration banquet. I took loads both times and they all look a bit weird.  It's quite annoying...

[Basement Cat]

Talking of Leliana's pretty smile, I can't seem to get a nice screengrab of her from the chat you have when entering the celebration banquet. I took loads both times and they all look a bit weird.  It's quite annoying...

Could you possibly use fly cam to catch her scolding Josie about everything being fine at the party? I bet she frowns... Or maybe when she makes that passionate speech about changing the Chantry for the better. She looks so fervent then. 

[YourFunnyUncle]

Could you possibly use fly cam to catch her scolding Josie about everything being fine at the party? I bet she frowns... Or maybe when she makes that passionate speech about changing the Chantry for the better. She looks so fervent then.

I haven't installed flycam as yet, although I think I might. If I do I promise to seek out the shot you require!

[Basement Cat]

Ooh, modern Leliana! X

 

[Basement Cat]

And Leliana + TV Tropes... X

 

  

  

  

[Kukuru]

Josephine: Inquisitor, you should know that your spymaster is an incorrigible prankster.

Leliana: I don't know what you're talking about.

Josephine: My, my things, in the courtyard.

Leliana: The ruffles were very festive.

Josephine: Leliana!

 

 

I never had this conversation in the War Table. I have the feeling i missed a lot of banter in my gamethrough.

[LadyStoneheart]

 

Josephine: Inquisitor, you should know that your spymaster is an incorrigible prankster.

Leliana: I don't know what you're talking about.

Josephine: My, my things, in the courtyard.

Leliana: The ruffles were very festive.

Josephine: Leliana!

 

 

I never had this conversation in the War Table. I have the feeling i missed a lot of banter in my gamethrough.

 

 

You should listen to this then

[Basement Cat]

 

Josephine: Inquisitor, you should know that your spymaster is an incorrigible prankster.

Leliana: I don't know what you're talking about.

Josephine: My, my things, in the courtyard.

Leliana: The ruffles were very festive.

Josephine: Leliana!

 

 

I never had this conversation in the War Table. I have the feeling i missed a lot of banter in my gamethrough.

 

That particular one won't trigger unless you catch a bit of messenger tag between Sera and Leliana. 

 

Messenger: I'm sorry. These are from...

 

Leliana: Sera. Obviously. Who else would send me frilly underthings by runner? Wait! Are there Josephine's?

 

*back to Sera*

 

Messenger: Sister Leliana would prefer if you didn't use Inquisition runners for your pranks.

 

Sera: Could have sworn she used to be fun. Looks it anyway.

 

Messenger: *whispering* She did ask someone to hang the ambassador's frilly underthings from a banner pole in the courtyard.

 

Sera: *laugh* I knew it!

 

 

After that you get the banter at the War Table.

[thats1evildude]

 

Josephine: Inquisitor, you should know that your spymaster is an incorrigible prankster.

Leliana: I don't know what you're talking about.

Josephine: My, my things, in the courtyard.

Leliana: The ruffles were very festive.

Josephine: Leliana!

 

 

I've gotten it a couple of times. I like how Josephine says "Leliana!" in the same tone that a child would say "MOM LELI'S PICKING ON MEEEEEE!"

[God is Tigger]

That particular one won't trigger unless you catch a bit of messenger tag between Sera and Leliana. 

 

 

I always seem to miss the messenger tag.  I think the only messengers I ever see are the ones that visit Josephine.  

[LadyStoneheart]

I got that War Table dialogue on my first playthrough without ever getting the Leliana/messenger/Sera part.

Anyway these messengers are impossible, everytime I try to follow them they disappear through a wall or refuse to walk unless I get away. 

[MissDragon]

I would like that if I knew where  the start is

[Kukuru]

You should listen to this then

 

Thanks! Now i can hear the banters i missed

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That particular one won't trigger unless you catch a bit of messenger tag between Sera and Leliana. 

 

Messenger: I'm sorry. These are from...

 

Leliana: Sera. Obviously. Who else would send me frilly underthings by runner? Wait! Are there Josephine's?

 

*back to Sera*

 

Messenger: Sister Leliana would prefer if you didn't use Inquisition runners for your pranks.

 

Sera: Could have sworn she used to be fun. Looks it anyway.

 

Messenger: *whispering* She did ask someone to hang the ambassador's frilly underthings from a banner pole in the courtyard.

 

Sera: *laugh* I knew it!

 

 

After that you get the banter at the War Table.

 

Thank you, i didn't get those messengers. It's nice to know there was more context to it.

 

It happened to me the same as with God is Tigger, the only messengers that triggered were the ones talking to Josephine. Sometimes i saw some of them near other characters like Cullen, Dorian and Leliana but they didn't speak, just stood there and eventually left. I guess it might have been another bug along the other thousand the PS3 version have.

 

 

Anyone knows of a site or link with messengers conversations? 

 

 

I guess you already saw these ones, but just in case:

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Link

 

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