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[TheKomandorShepard]

Ferelden has pretty much move past that fear, SPECIALLY if Alistair is ruling. Its probably the most pro-mage country in Thedas, after Rivain. And since he is pretty much adored by the people, they will follow him. It started from Alistair Cameo in DA2 where he welcomed the idea of kicking out the Templar order from Ferelden and he protected apostates.

 

Leliana kills the leader of every clergy sect that opposes her. Clergy will bow down, specially because of the fact that Leliana is the most favorite divine among the common people based on her goals. She is the true heir of Justinia as she follows her ideals and Divine Justinia was one of the most influential and loved Divines of all time, people can clearly see that Leliana is following her example.

 

As for Orlais, Celene needs to the ruler. Its one of the factors that contributes to Leliana's chance of becoming divine, specially if you reconcile Briala with her. Celene will do what Alistair does for Orlais. She also has the charm and cunning needed to lead her people towards Leliana's goals.

 

Its an ambitious ending, but with right people in power and the leaders of opposition dead, its pretty much possible.

 

I think you had beautiful dream ,because all you have to do is listen to folks that gossip in dao what they say about mages (they complain on that templars didn't kill them all) ,ferelden blacksmith in inquisiton doesn't like mages ,anora lost support of many nobles after she decided harbor mages (what a sad OOC moment and idiot ball for such smart character) and most of that was before mages started blow up things in ferelden and sold redcliff to tevinter after that even pro-mage alistair kicked them out of the country.    So yes im sure mages are beloved in ferelden.

 

Yes and then she will kills all monarchs , nobles and angry folks and then with those who survived she will create utopia... Divine justinia was popular because she kept her mouth shut about her views and was playing nice justinia achieved nothing and wasn't even near , in fact in order to stay in power as i said she had to be quiet. 

 

Nope ,it isn't in case ,in first place i don't even know from where you have idea that celene wants mages freedom ... not mention to as soon nobles would go against leliana celene would follow just to stay in power ,also from what i recall she wanted keep things in order with mages.

[N7_Heartfire]

Really? Well maybe it favors her more than Celene + Briala, but C+B still favors Leliana too even if lesser than Briala through Gaspard.

 

Gaspard alone completely opposes Leliana's chances, so I think a worldstate with Celene as leader fits Leliana's ending better due to Celene's view on mages and sharing personality traits with Leliana.

 

Interesting fact: the reason Leliana wants to have Celene killed in Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts is because in Leliana's Song, Leliana was to be sold to Celene as a prisoner. It's never said if Celene knew that Leliana was the prisoner or personally offered to have her as her slave, but it could be part of the reason for Leliana's disdain toward Celene.

 

So it sort of makes sense for Leliana to support Gaspard and Briala the most. I personally went for Celene + Briala myself.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Interesting fact: the reason Leliana wants to have Celene killed in Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts is because in Leliana's Song, Leliana was to be sold to Celene as a prisoner. It's never said if Celene knew that Leliana was the prisoner or personally offered to have her as her slave, but it could be part of the reason for Leliana's disdain toward Celene.

 

So it sort of makes sense for Leliana to support Gaspard and Briala the most. I personally went for Celene + Briala myself.

Wait ,was it said it was reason why she wanted celene to die or she just was supporting Briala i thought LS wasn't canon at least not entirely and she was caught in orlais not ferelden like in LS.

[N7_Heartfire]

The story she tells the Warden is the real one, she was caught in Orlais, so her being sold as slave to Celene would make even more sense. Maybe Celene even knew that Leliana was branded a traitor, but Leliana's Song was a story Leliana told to an audience so it makes sense for her to leave the bit about her being sold as a slave to Celene as to not antagonize her listeners, especially if she is telling the story in Orlais.

[The Baconer]

The story she tells the Warden is the real one, she was caught in Orlais, so her being sold as slave to Celene would make even more sense. Maybe Celene even knew that Leliana was branded a traitor, but Leliana's Song was a story Leliana told to an audience so it makes sense for her to leave the bit about her being sold as a slave to Celene as to not antagonize her listeners, especially if she is telling the story in Orlais.

 

As a political prisoner, guilty of treason. Not as a slave.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The story she tells the Warden is the real one, she was caught in Orlais, so her being sold as slave to Celene would make even more sense. Maybe Celene even knew that Leliana was branded a traitor, but Leliana's Song was a story Leliana told to an audience so it makes sense for her to leave the bit about her being sold as a slave to Celene as to not antagonize her listeners, especially if she is telling the story in Orlais.

Didn't she told you she was captured by orlesian guards?Wouldn't kinda make sense for them to sell her to empress as they were working for her especially as slave.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

The story she tells the Warden is the real one, she was caught in Orlais, so her being sold as slave to Celene would make even more sense. Maybe Celene even knew that Leliana was branded a traitor, but Leliana's Song was a story Leliana told to an audience so it makes sense for her to leave the bit about her being sold as a slave to Celene as to not antagonize her listeners, especially if she is telling the story in Orlais.

Actually word of god and wot confirm that the leliana's song version is the real one given how tug is referenced in wot and sketch's appearances in da2 and inquisition

[N7_Heartfire]

The characters that are in Leliana's Song; Tug, Sketch, Marjolaine, Raleigh, Dorothea, Leliana did meet them and work with them, the only major thing she changed in her story was that it took place in Orlais.

 

As far as the Orlesian guards go, Raleigh and his company wanted to sell Leliana to Celene as a traitor to the Orlesian Empire to gain her favor and to take back their land in Orlais that was abdicated by Maric during the Fereldan Rebellion.

 

So, yes, Raleigh was a Ferelden noble, but secretly working for Orlais.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The characters that are in Leliana's Song; Tug, Sketch, Marjolaine, Raleigh, Dorothea, Leliana did meet them and work with them, the only major thing she changed in her story was that it took place in Orlais.

 

As far as the Orlesian guards go, Raleigh and his company wanted to sell Leliana to Celene as a traitor to the Orlesian Empire to gain her favor and to take back their land in Orlais that was abdicated by Maric during the Fereldan Rebellion.

 

So, yes, Raleigh was a Ferelden noble, but secretly working for Orlais.

 

But then yet it still doesn't make any sense because she was captured by orlesian guards not raleigh men even if he was secretly working for orlais what would be doubtful as he hated orlais at least in LS ,orlais already had leliana captured . 

 

Railegh can't exist in story that she told to the warden at least not in the from he existed in LS if Railegh existed he was probably high-rank orlesian guard ,noble or even chevalier.

[Kukuru]

This might throw some light to it:

 

 

She doesn't say many details, it is not said to who those orlesians guards worked for. It could be Raleigh, it could be an Orlesian noble, who knows.

 

 

There are codex entries mentioning Sketch and Tug, and there's the mother of the city elf warden too, so i don't think she invented a character just to create drama.

[Han Shot First]

But then yet it still doesn't make any sense because she was captured by orlesian guards not raleigh men even if he was secretly working for orlais what would be doubtful as he hated orlais at least in LS ,orlais already had leliana captured . 

 

Railegh can't exist in story that she told to the warden at least not in the from he existed in LS if Railegh existed he was probably high-rank orlesian guard ,noble or even chevalier.

 

Leliana's Song was a tall tale based on a kernel of truth. That's actually confirmed canon now, as others have pointed out.

 

The real events happened in Orlais, which probably means that Raleigh and his men were invented by Leliana and stand ins for the real villains.

[TheKomandorShepard]

This might throw some light to it:

She doesn't say many details, it is not said to who those orlesians guards worked for. It could be Raleigh, it could be an Orlesian noble, who knows.

 

 

There are codex entries mentioning Sketch and Tug, and there's the mother of the city elf warden too, so i don't think she invented a character just to create drama.

 

Well considering she says orlesian guards they pretty much worked for orlais (so pretty much she was already in hands of orlesian authority) what pretty much excludes Raleigh in version as he was in LS.

 

Tug and Sketch are pretty much real characters so is Marjolaine and Merchant that was working for her ,but doesn't necessarily excludes that she took freedom with characters or even just made up some of them ,because pretty much in Raleigh case simple fact that it happened in orlais not ferelden changes a lot about this character.
   

 

 

Leliana's Song was a tall tale based on a kernel of truth. That's actually confirmed canon now, as others have pointed out.

 

The real events happened in Orlais, which probably means that Raleigh and his men were invented by Leliana and stand ins for the real villains.

Pretty much ,but there might be possibility that such person as Raleigh existed she just took a lot of freedom with his character ,after all at least 4 character from LS were proven to exist marjolaine , sketch ,tug and that merchant.

[Basement Cat]

Sera/Leliana shipping. I don't care for it myself, but this picture is kinda cute.

 

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[N7_Heartfire]

 

http://scholla.tumblr.com/

 

I await the day when the Inquisitor's companions (especially Dorian and Varric who seem to be the most scared of Leliana), see what a precious cinnamon roll the Inquisition's Spymaster truly is around her Warden love.

 

Well, except Josephine, since I'm sure she already knows how much of a lovestruck and a softie Leliana can be  when she thinks/talks about the Warden. :3

[Kukuru]

 

 

http://scholla.tumblr.com/

 

I await the day when the Inquisitor's companions (especially Dorian and Varric who seem to be the most scared of Leliana), see what a precious cinnamon roll the Inquisition's Spymaster truly is around her Warden love.

 

Well, except Josephine, since I'm sure she already knows how much of a lovestruck and a softie Leliana can be  when she thinks/talks about the Warden. :3

 

I'd love to see that, even if it's off-screen, the companions comments about it would be priceless.

[N7_Heartfire]

Yeah, most of the companions talk about Leliana being so scary you get the feeling she'll shiv you right on the spot if you look at her the wrong way.

 

And since her relationship with the Warden isn't something unheard of by the common folk, it is a rumor, but a well-spread one, I wonder what are the companion's opinion about it. 

 

They must think the Warden has some serious guts to even flirt with someone as scary as Leliana, let alone be in a relationship with her. If they met the Warden, they'll either high-five them or pity them with the Warden being all confused.

[Kukuru]

Yeah, most of the companions talk about Leliana being so scary you get the feeling she'll shiv you right on the spot if you look at her the wrong way.

 

And since her relationship with the Warden isn't something unheard of by the common folk, it is a rumor, but a well-spread one, I wonder what are the companion's opinion about it. 

 

They must think the Warden has some serious guts to even flirt with someone as scary as Leliana, let alone be in a relationship with her. If they met the Warden, they'll either high-five them or pity them with the Warden being all confused.

All kind of "I heard you like to live dangerously."

 

That kinda reminds me of a banter between Alistair and Leliana:

 

Alistair: I will never get over how quietly you are able to move.

Leliana: It took me years and years to learn and even then I am not the best at it.

Alistair: So you didn't sneak around when spying?

Leliana: We all had different ways of doing things. Some preferred not to be seen at all, to cloak themselves in shadow and darkness. I realized that it is not such a bad thing to be seen, as long as you do not stand out and are quickly forgotten. I specialized in blending in, not drawing attention and looking like I had every right to be there. It is invisibility, but of another kind.

Alistair: Ah, yes, but I heard you often seduced your targets. They'd remember you.

Leliana: Not if they died...

Alistair: Oh.

Leliana: Dying while in the company of a lovely seductress... tell me that isn't a good death.

Alistair: I don't know if I should take you seriously... but you scare me sometimes.

[N7_Heartfire]

Poor Alistair, he joked about Leliana being princess stabbity and all that and 10 years later, well what do you know Alistair, you were right all along...

 

The companions' reaction toward the Warden romancing Leliana can basically be summed up as:

 

Origins : She's crazy.

Inquisition : She's scary.

[Basement Cat]

Poor Alistair, he joked about Leliana being princess stabbity and all that and 10 years later, well what do you know Alistair, you were right all along...

 

The companions' reaction toward the Warden romancing Leliana can basically be summed up as:

 

Origins : She's crazy.

Inquisition : She's scary.

The Warden: she's naughty.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Leliana's song directly contradicts what Leliana tells the Warden in the main game. There's no real point in trying to reconcile then because I think the only reason for it was that the plot of her original backstory wouldn't have made as dramatic a DLC. There was no final boss fight and no confrontation with Marjolaine. Also by changing the setting from Orlais to Ferelden, they could reuse assets. 

[Basement Cat]

I think it was written by Lukas too... I like him, but I kind of wonder what Sheryl Chee's part in it was. Was it originally her idea.. was it intentionally meant to contradict? 

 

I know all the DA writers work together closely, but she's still kind of the authority on Leliana to me.

As she should be. Leli is her brain child after all.

[Kukuru]

The adventures of LOLiana

[LadyStoneheart]

 

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That has to be Baron Plucky