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[YourFunnyUncle]

It was surprising for me how many people claimed DA2 was great after Inquisition came out. Must've been the fact they found a new thing to hate.

If you think about it, DAI was in many ways a reaction to the criticisms of DA2, from the "epic" story to the expansive environments. It therefore follows that those who actually liked DA2 will be upset with DAI. You can't please everyone...

[Qun00]

Yup, that's precisely how this cycle goes. The newest game always gets roasted until another game emerges with the sin of being newer.

This isn't unique to the Dragon Age franchise.

I know right! I started the Dragon Age serie few months ago with Inquisition...I really enjoyed it (and I still do) but I did not feel completly involved until I played Origins. Now I can't wait to get my hands on DA II.

Same here!

[Master Warder Z_]

I actually liked DA2 over DAO I was one of those folks back on the old forums who said it set a good narrative pace and the standard of storytelling for the series

But well...Even a critic can tell the difference between coffee and mud, how I see it anyway.

[Qun00]

It's not such a black and white subject. There are some things DAO did better, but there are other aspects I'm glad that DAI improved on.

I'm not a fan of how main quest focused DAO was. On the other hand, DAI gives you cool stuff to do inbetween, whether it is retaking Emprise du Leon or hunting down Venatori in the Hissing Wastes.

I haven't played DA2 yet, but a game with such entertaining characters can't be bad.

[Serza]

If you think about it, DAI was in many ways a reaction to the criticisms of DA2, from the "epic" story to the expansive environments. It therefore follows that those who actually liked DA2 will be upset with DAI. You can't please everyone...

 

No... No, you can't...

 

It's true that DAI is sort of a polar opposite to DA2. Instead of a "nobody" (Hawke) we play the Inquisitor, who becomes one of the most powerful figures in at least Ferelden and Orlais, if not the Free Marches, Nevarra and surroundings. Orlais is the biggest empire (I think it surpasses Tevinter) and Ferelden has a strong history in relation to the Chantry (remember, Andraste came from the Alammari tribes, who lived in the territories of today's Ferelden)

 

In DA2, you mostly decide your own fate. The fate of a city, at the most. In DAI, the actions of the Inquisitor are those that have an effect on entire Thedas. Who rules Orlais? Whether or not the Templars, an 800-years-old order remain, or cease to exist? The existence of the Grey Wardens in the south? This is a much larger scale - larger than DAO, even.

 

It's not such a black and white subject. There are some things DAO did better, but there are other aspects I'm glad that DAI improved on.

I'm not a fan of how main quest focused DAO was. On the other hand, DAI gives you cool stuff to do inbetween, whether it is retaking Emprise du Leon or hunting down Venatori in the Hissing Wastes.

I haven't played DA2 yet, but a game with such entertaining characters can't be bad.

 

Merrill...

 

*dreamy look*

[Qun00]

Dorian!

[N7_Heartfire]

I like all three games equally. Each game has its own strong and weak points, but I never felt any of the games dropped in quality.

 

I still think people who say Dragon Age 2 is one of the worst games of all time are clearly exaggerating. The relationship and banter between the companions in Dragon Age 2 is my favorite of all three games. I love how they hang out in between missions and clearly have a life outside of just following Hawke around.

 

And I'm probably not the only one who thinks this, but anyone here agree that Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan would get along much better if all three of them met during Inquisition's time?

 

I wonder how different it would've been if the Fifth Blight took place in 9:40 Dragon and your companions would be in the positions they are now...senior Grey Warden, Left Hand and Arcane Advisor rather than Grey Warden recruit, Lay Sister and Witch of the Wilds.

[Qun00]

Back to Leliana, I'd give anything to romance the fearsome and mysterious woman from Inquisition.

The character you meet in DAO is more focused on her other half: The believer.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I wonder how long it will be until somebody does a model swap of leliana for one of the romance scenes

[Lulupab]

For some reason I really like Leliana when she is angry. Its the sort of a woman that I would never want to be on her bad side!

 

 

I just want her back to that. It all just confirms what Marjolaine said.. "you and I are the same". Softened Leli put a smile on my face. 

 

In some ways, maybe I'm just biased. She reminds me of myself, tbh. I used to be somewhat a thug and thief, and found something better like she did. But it's hard to not see that my life was more fun back then.  I think the Inquisitor is a good character to help her from slipping... if you so wish.

 

Well, for the record her enemies are too dark and twisted for her to smile. I mean softened Leliana is really nice but I feel like she needs to be hardened if she is going to become Divine. Thedas is not a nice place and smiles do not fix anything. A softened Leliana's death pretty much puts everything back to chaos as the "persuader" is gone and people are free to do whatever they want. But hardened Leliana is very much like Justinia, kind to those who are in need of help and ruthless to her enemies.

 

I would never harden her if I'm not making her divine, its just cruel. But if she is becoming divine, this cruelty is a kindness because it readies her for far worse cruelties. I feel like a sister who teaches her younger sister how to deal with life, its not pretty but it will in fact prepare her.

[Lulupab]

Maybe your smiles wouldn't.

 

But she's a bard. And a captivating one. It's like a Rockstar can change minds. Or an actor. Or just a good politician. And in Thedas, it's almost magic. It's not supposed to be that realistic.

 

Not everyone who gets what they want has to act like Putin.

 

That sort of rule won't last and you know it.

 

Blood mages and chantry zealots need daggers, not smiles.

[Lulupab]

Well its hardened Leliana as well, she just does it much easier and she doesn't regret it.

 

Sweet talk > threaten > blackmail > Dagger

 

That's hardened Leliana priority.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Maybe your smiles wouldn't.

 

But she's a bard. And a captivating one. It's like a Rockstar can change minds. Or an actor. Or just a good politician. And in Thedas, it's almost magic. It's not supposed to be that realistic.

 

Not everyone who gets what they want has to act like Putin.

That realistic lol it isn't realsitic at all...

 

If all it took fix the world was good politican we would live in utopia by now...

 

one thing is good politican and one thing mary sue.

[Lulupab]

Hardened Leliana doesn't sweet talk. She doesn't even care about telling stories anymore. She doesn't care to inspire, but intimidate. 

 

I could get that on many characters, but I'll save what was actually unique about her.

 

Depends on who we are talking about. Why does she need to inspire chantry fanatics who want her head? The quote in my signature is said by hardened Leliana, so yes she indeed tries to be merciful first. Though she has no delusions about who can be inspired and who should be removed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What? I said it wasn't realistic. I'm saying it's built on things like rockstars and politicians, but amplified into a fantasy setting.

 

Same with her bard songs. Song of Courage, Song of Valor, etc.. It's almost magic. In the real world, it wouldn't work that way... but artistry can be inspiring in a subtle manner.

You said that realistic ,and no it isn't ,it is outright out of touch reality and that it is fantasy setting doesn't mean it should be devoid of reality.

 

Things you have described are gameplay abilities not some kind of magic ,non-mages are pretty much normal people in story and lore.

[Lulupab]

What do you want from me anyways? Everytime the subject gets brought up, I feel like I have to defend Softened Leliana. It's not like one is better than the other. It just boils down to morality.
 
It doesn't matter. It CAN happen in the game.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Leliana either way. Its just my opinion that Thedas is too harsh for softened Leliana to be divinein it. As I said I NEVER harden her if I'm making Cass divine.

You don't need to defend soften Leliana from me.

Justinia was in her own, hardened Leliana anyway. I like Justinia's legacy.