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[MissDragon]

Hey, yeah, DA5 starring everyone from DA:Origins, Dragon Age 2, Inquisition...and all supporting cast. That means all the lesser known characters..

[N7_Heartfire]

Ha! I wanna seen the haters try to convince me that Leliana and Cass hate each other. Yes, they disagree often, but they always have each other's backs. I'd say they are an awesome team.

 

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And I love how whether or not you disband/continue the Inquisition, Quizzy, Cass and Leliana still see each other and work together.

I like to think Leliana even introduced the Warden to them as well. Maybe the four of them even went out to dinner together, who knows. Both Cass and Leliana were my romances so I kind of like this little headcanon.

 

And I seemed to have missed that note from Charter, damn. Good to know that Leliana still has faithful agents in her ranks. After Trespasser, some people were ready to jump on the - Leliana is an incompetent spymaster - bandwagon just because Solas

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managed to sneak agents in her ranks. Are you effing kidding me? Let's see here... Solas = elven god who can communicate with his agents through dreams. I'm pretty sure he didn't kidnap Baron Plucky when Leliana wasn't looking to send messages to his agents...Now I kind of understand why Solas slept a lot. 

 

They easily forget that it's Leliana who figured out what Dragon's Breath is and warned the leaders of other countries to get rid of it. Many of her agents betrayed her, but she still saved many lives.

[LadyStoneheart]

Haters are very very wrong. Cassandra doesn't even hate Varric, let alone Leliana.

 

I don't think it was a matter of incompetence, there's little she could have done to prevent this mess.

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I admit that what Solas said about Qunari spies tripping on his own spies was hard to hear, but I guess the Inquisition had really become too big to be properly controlled. It's not like Leliana could be suspicious of everyone who wanted to join our cause just because they were elves and/or came from Kirkwall: we needed all the support we could get, especially at the beginning. Plus, Charter's note confirms what had already been stated in our previous conversation with the Advisors: the Inquisition was not the only organization affected by this kind of corruption. Qunari spies were everywhere and only Leliana's timely intervention kept them from causing multiple slaughters in Val Royeaux, Denerim and Starkhaven.

 

Anyway, I want Charter as a companion in DA4. There, I said it

[SgtSteel91]

So for Divine Leliana did you

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keep the Inquisition around as her peace-keepers and honor guard? I know when softened she disagreed with the idea of the Inquisition helping her, saying that was the old Chantry, but Cassandra's worries of Leliana's reforms holding and the assassination attempts has me second guessing on disbanding the Inquisition, on top of trying to stop Solas.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So for Divine Leliana did you

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keep the Inquisition around as her peace-keepers and honor guard? I know when softened she disagreed with the idea of the Inquisition helping her, saying that was the old Chantry, but Cassandra's worries of Leliana's reforms holding and the assassination attempts has me second guessing on disbanding the Inquisition, on top of trying to stop Solas.

Yes. Truth be told, she's the only Divine I'm safe with the honor guard. She'll need protection and I'm sure she'll find ways to ferret out corruption.

[wright1978]

Is there any difference between hardened and unhardened Leliana in Trespasser? I was rather confused as she didn't really act like the hardened character i expected, far more in line with a softened one.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Is there any difference between hardened and unhardened Leliana in Trespasser? I was rather confused as she didn't really act like the hardened character i expected, far more in line with a softened one.

None that I've found so far, apart from potentially that line where Giselle says few dare to oppose Divine Leliana. Another choice rendered pointless.

[N7_Heartfire]

Is there any difference between hardened and unhardened Leliana in Trespasser? I was rather confused as she didn't really act like the hardened character i expected, far more in line with a softened one.

 

I think there's a difference during the cutscene where she asks the Inquisitor to walk with her around the Winter Palace. If she was softened she says how now she sees tears shed in the night over silk embroidery and hands rubbed raw to maker gold gleam, but if she's hardened she says all she sees is blood and hidden knives.

 

There's also a slight difference if she's not Divine and is romanced. If she's hardened, when asked about the Warden she says that duty has kept them apart and maybe it's time to be a little selfish and if softened she says that things can't seem to calm down for them to be together again.

 

Yes. Truth be told, she's the only Divine I'm safe with the honor guard. She'll need protection and I'm sure she'll find ways to ferret out corruption.

 

Same. Even if the Inquisition continues, the epilogue does say it has shrunken in size and many of its members were either neutralized or thoroughly questioned and chased out. And the survived several assassination attempts line about Divine Leliana sure as hell made me uneasy. 

[Kukuru]

Hardened or not, i'm glad they didn't transform her on Marjolaine 2.0 and instead, made her even more badass.

[mrcrazyman]

 

There's also a slight difference if she's not Divine and is romanced. If she's hardened, when asked about the Warden she says that duty has kept them apart and maybe it's time to be a little selfish and if softened she says that things can't seem to calm down for them to be together again.

 

I get the opposite

 

They both start with the "We are well, thank you. Our duties have kept us apart for a long time."

 

and then with soft "Perhaps it is time to put duty aside and be selfish. I have sacrificed so much already."

 

and hard "I know we will be together again one day. I just don't know when that will be. Things never seem to settle down. "

[thesuperdarkone2]

I'm wondering, does softened Leliana also stop the rebellion in her divine ending or is that just hardened Leliana?

[SgtSteel91]

I'm wondering, does softened Leliana also stop the rebellion in her divine ending or is that just hardened Leliana?

 

I had softened Divine Leliana and her ending said that after restoring Shartan's verse in the Chant a schism broke out across Southern Thedas and she wasn't perturbed by that or the assassination attempts, holding it as proof she's on the right path. Nothing about stopping the rebellion.

 

What did you get for the hardened Divine ending?

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I had softened Divine Leliana and her ending said that after restoring Shartan's verse in the Chant a schism broke out across Southern Thedas and she wasn't perturbed by that or the assassination attempts, holding it as proof she's on the right path. Nothing about stopping the rebellion.

 

What did you get for the hardened Divine ending?

 

I assume the rebellion being referenced is the schism that is mentioned. Seems like that no matter who Divine Victoria is, trouble starts brewing regardless. Not shocking, we will never get a perfectly happy ending since we need drama left over for the next game.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I had softened Divine Leliana and her ending said that after restoring Shartan's verse in the Chant a schism broke out across Southern Thedas and she wasn't perturbed by that or the assassination attempts, holding it as proof she's on the right path. Nothing about stopping the rebellion.

 

What did you get for the hardened Divine ending?

At least on my hardened Leliana playthrough, the ending was the same as above but when it came to the rebellion, the ending said that it quickly fell apart and eventually faded into obscurity with some believing the Divine had some part in the rebellion's destruction.

 

Here's my ending:

https://youtu.be/vFYPuXnc0pM?t=5m18s

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

 

wait a second

 

what

[Aimi]

Not shocking, we will never get a perfectly happy ending since we need drama left over for the next game.

I can count the number of perfectly happy endings in history on the fingers of the Inquisitor's left hand.

[mrcrazyman]

wait a second

 

what

 

Well Oghren comments on the rich pure lyrium doing things and changing the temple (not to mention all the spirits and such). The ashes are known to universally heal (like Arl Eamon) probably because of the lyrium. Having her resurrected thanks to it makes sense. The annoying part is that it seems tacked on for all the people complaining/wanting a reason for her revival as it's never mentioned or influences her character and is just dropped in at the end epilogues if killed and not Divine.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Wonder what that ending would mean for her in any potential future appearances though. 

 

not that I even get what it means

 

Is she like a lyrium zombie? 

 

Did she get Wynne'd? 

 

Is she not even the original Leliana at that point, just got Cole'd? 

 

wut

 

[vertigomez]

Wonder what that ending would mean for her in any potential future appearances though. 
 
not that I even get what it means
 
Is she like a lyrium zombie? 
 
Did she get Wynne'd? 
 
Is she not even the original Leliana at that point, just got Cole'd? 
 
wut
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=fq3abPnEEGE

I imagine it'll get treated like Leliana's unhardened Ultimate Sacrifice DAO slide.

[Han Shot First]

I doubt we'll be seeing anymore of Leliana in the series. She might get mentioned, but I doubt she'll be an NPC.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I doubt we'll be seeing anymore of Leliana in the series. She might get mentioned, but I doubt she'll be an NPC.

 

And I'd be good with that. Though I do still feel like the Inquisition, disbanded or not, is still going to have some presence in the next game, so she might turn up somewhere. 

 

I just hope they make it so the Warden is actually doing something relevant too, probably off-screen, seeing as they're apparently back from the west now. 

[Han Shot First]

And I'd be good with that. Though I do still feel like the Inquisition, disbanded or not, is still going to have some presence in the next game, so she might turn up somewhere. 

 

I just hope they make it so the Warden is actually doing something relevant too, probably off-screen, seeing as they're apparently back from the west now. 

 

Agree fully about the Warden.

 

I'd love to see him/her turn up at Weisshaupt, but sadly I also have a feeling it will be left to Hawke or Stroud to sort out whatever is going on there.

[Ionastorm]

Sister Nightingale the undead. Just wanted to say this, sorry )) 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'd love to see him/her turn up at Weisshaupt, but sadly I also have a feeling it will be left to Hawke or Stroud to sort out whatever is going on there.

 

Which is still kind of weird to me...that seems like something that would logically make a lot more sense for the Warden to do from a story perspective. 

 

Hawke is dead for me though, so Stroud being involved is better. 

[dsl08002]

It also seems fair regarding that hawke showed up in DAI that the warden will turn up in DA4