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[thats1evildude]

Looks like Issue 4 of Magekiller has Leliana in it. (Check out the cover.)

 

http://www.comicbook...oty=1&oid=70049

[SgtSteel91]

Anyone read Magekiller? Is it good?

[thats1evildude]

The first issue isn't out until Wednesday. But the reviews have been largely positive.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Looks like Issue 4 of Magekiller has Leliana in it. (Check out the cover.)

 

http://www.comicbook...oty=1&oid=70049

 

Ooh, not bad at all. I'll definitely have to pick up the series at some point, even if I end up getting it in TPB format later on. Rucka's a great writer, and I'm sure he'll do some awesome stuff here.

[Akiza]

What? Leliana is in a new comic too!!!

[Aren]

Am I the only one who thinks that Hardened Leliana > Morrigan in DAO ?

 

Hardened Leliana is down with some unscrupulous stuff and threesome / foursome at the Pearl yet she does not stoop down to the level of wanting to sell poor oppressed people to slavers using blood magic for a small boost.

Leliana did had difficult times in her life especially with Marjolaine and her treachery, but this didn't stop her into becoming a caring person regardless.

Morrigan at least for me reached a breaking point on those two quests,both the circle mage  and the city elves.

Her agreement on the blood sacrifice just made things worse and labeled her as untrustworthy to me.

I do not believe that FLemeth taught to her to be so downright on the evil side,given the fact that FLemeth never supported slavery nor she would have been happy in seeing a Dalish clan killed.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Some more awesome Leliana fanart:

 

http://thecuriousstr...-pals-577639168

 

[Serza]

I almost thought that's Josie. Then I saw the ears....

[LadyStoneheart]

 

Leliana did had difficult times in her life especially with Marjolaine and her treachery, but this didn't stop her into becoming a caring person regardless.

Morrigan at least for me reached a breaking point on those two quests,both the circle mage  and the city elves.

Her agreement on the blood sacrifice just made things worse and labeled her as untrustworthy to me.

I do not believe that FLemeth taught to her to be so downright on the evil side,given the fact that FLemeth never supported slavery nor she would have been happy in seeing a Dalish clan killed.

Solas didn't support slavery either but look at what he's done, look at what he's planning to do. Opposing slavery doesn't automatically make Flemeth a good person, let alone a good parent. It's clear to me that she manipulated Morrigan all her life, with no regard to how she would turn out to be as a person.

I would also like to point out that before Marjolaine and her treachery Leliana lived a relatively happy and sheltered childhood, even after Oisine's death. She was loved. It's not like she grew up in a swamp with only wild beasts, random bandits/templars and her abusive mother to keep her company.

 

[Basement Cat]

Leliana and Morrigan are an interesting contrast to each other. Leliana started as a cheerful but callous person who exploited others for her own benefit as a player of the Game. It's not until she got a taste of what it's like to be a pawn that she started to become the compassionate lay sister we met in Origins. She remained as deadly as ever though.

 

Inversely, Morrigan was a curious child (that episode with the mirror) who got punished for her curiosity and raised to believe that only the strong survive. The problem is that her idea of strength is the 'brute' kind. At that point, Morrigan is the mage equivalent of a thug. When she gets exposed to different world views, it upsets her and so she lashes out at everything, like a child having a tantrum. She grows out of it eventually, especially if she became a mother.

 

In both cases, decisions they made in the past come back to bite them in one way or another. For Leliana, it's Marjolaine returtning in Origins and her crisis of conscience in Inquisition. For Morrigan, it's if she has the OGB and/or drinks from the Well of Sorrows.

 

Note the irony here: Leliana has to face the consequences of her actions regardless of what the player does. She got involved with Marjolaine and she entered the service of Divine Justinia. For Morrigan, the OGB and the Well of Sorrows depend entirely on player choices. For all her talk about 'being strong', her fate is largely decided by others.

 

Also, Leliana chose to follow the Warden and the Inquisition. Morrigan was ordered to by Flemeth and the Orlesian ruler respectively. Granted she would probably have tried to help the Inquisition anyway, but still.

 

In conclusion, Leliana is a person of faith who believes the Maker is guiding her, yet she largely makes her own path. Morrigan is an atheist who believes in being free and independent, yet she is largely controlled by others.

 

Is it any wonder they hate each other in Origins?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Leliana and Morrigan are an interesting contrast to each other. Leliana started as a cheerful but callous person who exploited others for her own benefit as a player of the Game. It's not until she got a taste of what it's like to be a pawn that she started to become the compassionate lay sister we met in Origins. She remained as deadly as ever though.

 

Inversely, Morrigan was a curious child (that episode with the mirror) who got punished for her curiosity and raised to believe that only the strong survive. The problem is that her idea of strength is the 'brute' kind. At that point, Morrigan is the mage equivalent of a thug. When she gets exposed to different world views, it upsets her and so she lashes out at everything, like a child having a tantrum. She grows out of it eventually, especially if she became a mother.

 

In both cases, decisions they made in the past come back to bite them in one way or another. For Leliana, it's Marjolaine returtning in Origins and her crisis of conscience in Inquisition. For Morrigan, it's if she has the OGB and/or drinks from the Well of Sorrows.

 

Note the irony here: Leliana has to face the consequences of her actions regardless of what the player does. She got involved with Marjolaine and she entered the service of Divine Justinia. For Morrigan, the OGB and the Well of Sorrows depend entirely on player choices. For all her talk about 'being strong', her fate is largely decided by others.

 

Also, Leliana chose to follow the Warden and the Inquisition. Morrigan was ordered to by Flemeth and the Orlesian ruler respectively. Granted she would probably have tried to help the Inquisition anyway, but still.

 

In conclusion, Leliana is a person of faith who believes the Maker is guiding her, yet she largely makes her own path. Morrigan is an atheist who believes in being free and independent, yet she is largely controlled by others.

 

Is it any wonder they hate each other in Origins?

 

I have had time to think about both of them and the difference between them is best summarized by Paarthurnax from Skyrim.

 

"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

 

Both Morrigan and Leliana are good. Morrigan is very amoral and Leliana enjoys being an assassin and a spy. The difference is that Leliana tries to be good or to be better while Morrigan does not. Now you can make the argument that this makes Leliana delusional but I don't think she is.

 

If you want to look at it another way, Leliana is a lot like Batman whereas Morrigan is a lot like Jason Todd / Red Hood. Specifically with regards to their morality. Batman is not a good person, he says so himself a lot of the times but he has a line that he will not cross no matter what. Jason Todd is not a good person either but he has no line and he will do whatever it takes.

 

Leliana is a lot like that where she has a line that she will not cross. For example, defiling the Urn of the Sacred Ashes is her line. Morrigan has no line. She doesn't really care that much about what you will or won't do. Sure she will disapprove but she will not turn on you or walk away, unless you tell her to.

[Han Shot First]

 

Leliana is a lot like that where she has a line that she will not cross. For example, defiling the Urn of the Sacred Ashes is her line. Morrigan has no line. She doesn't really care that much about what you will or won't do. Sure she will disapprove but she will not turn on you or walk away, unless you tell her to.

 

That isn't entirely true. Morrigan will depart if you refuse to have the Warden or Alistair or Loghain do the Dark Ritual. The Dark Ritual is also likely why Morrigan sticks with the protagonist no matter what beforehand, even if she strongly disagrees with the Warden's actions. She's got an ulterior motive for sticking around.

 

Morrigan's main goal is always to preserve Urthemiel's soul. Stopping the Blight is at best a secondary objective, and its main importance is that it enables her first and primary goal.

[Basement Cat]

Say, this discussion just gave me an idea: What if Morrigan disapproving of all altruistic choices in origins wasn't only because it goes against her beliefs, but because it jeopardizes her OGB plan? After all, a generous and self-sacrificing person isn't likely to engage in forbidden magic rituals to save their own skin, are they?

 

A lot of Morrigan's nastiness is actually a wall to protect herself, and Leliana manages to pierce it from time to time. Of course, it's usually Morrigan who gets the last word in because Leliana is playing nice.

 

Here at 4:40 is one where Leli-baby manages to rattle Morrigan.

 

[Serza]

Maybe we should've seen that earlier.

 

She also seems to be pro-mage freedom in some way or another (she disapproves of the Mages letting themselves be locked up when you first meet Wynne in the Tower - I should know. I agreed with Morrigan, next thing I know, THEY ALL WANT TO KILL ME)

[Han Shot First]

 

Here at 4:40 is one where Leli-baby manages to rattle Morrigan.

 

 

 

The funniest exchange between those two IMO, is a banter triggered by a Warden being romantically involved with both of them....

 

 

 

Morrigan: The way you look at him so intently, so hungrily... one would think you have never seen a man before.

 

Leliana: Where I look is not your concern.

 

Morrigan: True enough. There is no way I can deny you this... but why would he choose you, when he could have me?

 

Leliana: You're confident, for a woman raised in a swamp, far from anything remotely resembling civilization.

 

Morrigan: And maybe that is my appeal? A woman like you, why, he could find in any city in Thedas. You think you are cultured? Worldly?

Powdered, perfumed, you ooze elegance, but what man wants a woman who lies limp beneath him, frozen in place by the thought that she might ruin her hair?

 

Leliana: So you're saying you're wild and uninhibited? I suppose he must like your shrieking, you sound like a genlock being murdered--a sweet, sweet sound to a Grey Warden. You should try a little harder next time he takes you. I don't think they heard you in the Anderfels.

 

Morrigan: Tsk, tsk, Leliana. Watch your jealousy, or you'll give yourself wrinkles.

 

Leliana: Get away from me, or I shall have to take drastic measures.

 

Morrigan: Resorting to violence. And here I thought you were civilized.

 

I suppose he must like your shrieking, you sound like a genlock being murdered--a sweet, sweet sound to a Grey Warden.

 

 

That's the most hilarious line in the series for me. 

 

I don't know which part I find funnier...that she compares Morrigan's shrieking to a genlock being butchered, or that she implied that killing darkspawn gets the Warden aroused. Either way...two burns for the price of one. 

[GoldenGail3]

 
I suppose he must like your shrieking, you sound like a genlock being murdered--a sweet, sweet sound to a Grey Warden.
 

 
That's the most hilarious line in the series for me. 
 
I don't know which part I find funnier...that she compares Morrigan's shrieking to a genlock being butchered, or that she implied that killing darkspawn gets the Warden aroused. Either way...two burns for the price of one. 

My Male Couslands thoughts during this time were, "Oh $%|#%! What have I gotten myself into!" Then I decided I'd use that Polamary bug for my advantage...

[vertigomez]

Leliana and Morrigan are an interesting contrast to each other. Leliana started as a cheerful but callous person who exploited others for her own benefit as a player of the Game. It's not until she got a taste of what it's like to be a pawn that she started to become the compassionate lay sister we met in Origins. She remained as deadly as ever though.
 
Inversely, Morrigan was a curious child (that episode with the mirror) who got punished for her curiosity and raised to believe that only the strong survive. The problem is that her idea of strength is the 'brute' kind. At that point, Morrigan is the mage equivalent of a thug. When she gets exposed to different world views, it upsets her and so she lashes out at everything, like a child having a tantrum. She grows out of it eventually, especially if she became a mother.
 
In both cases, decisions they made in the past come back to bite them in one way or another. For Leliana, it's Marjolaine returtning in Origins and her crisis of conscience in Inquisition. For Morrigan, it's if she has the OGB and/or drinks from the Well of Sorrows.
 
Note the irony here: Leliana has to face the consequences of her actions regardless of what the player does. She got involved with Marjolaine and she entered the service of Divine Justinia. For Morrigan, the OGB and the Well of Sorrows depend entirely on player choices. For all her talk about 'being strong', her fate is largely decided by others.
 
Also, Leliana chose to follow the Warden and the Inquisition. Morrigan was ordered to by Flemeth and the Orlesian ruler respectively. Granted she would probably have tried to help the Inquisition anyway, but still.
 
In conclusion, Leliana is a person of faith who believes the Maker is guiding her, yet she largely makes her own path. Morrigan is an atheist who believes in being free and independent, yet she is largely controlled by others.
 
Is it any wonder they hate each other in Origins?

Marry me?

[Basement Cat]

Marry me?

I already have, Bubele. 

[Basement Cat]

The funniest exchange between those two IMO, is a banter triggered by a Warden being romantically involved with both of them....

 

I suppose he must like your shrieking, you sound like a genlock being murdered--a sweet, sweet sound to a Grey Warden.

 

That's the most hilarious line in the series for me. 

 

I don't know which part I find funnier...that she compares Morrigan's shrieking to a genlock being butchered, or that she implied that killing darkspawn gets the Warden aroused. Either way...two burns for the price of one. 

It becomes even funnier in DA2 if you had a threesome/foursome with Isabela.

 

Isabela: Sister Nightingale indeed. I recall it didn't take much to make you sing.

 

Leliana: *embarrassed laugh*

 

It seems Morrigan isn't the only one who is vocal in bed. But Morrigan accusing Leliana of being frigid becomes even more hilarious if we consider that their sex scenes are identical.

[Han Shot First]

Morrigan also seems a bit clueless about Leliana's past, or at least unable to look beyond 'Chantry nun.' Her barbs fall a little flat there, IMO. 

[Basement Cat]

Morrigan also seems a bit clueless about Leliana's past, or at least unable to look beyond 'Chantry nun.' Her barbs fall a little flat there, IMO. 

Her attacks against Leliana about her faith actually highlight Morrigan's ignorance of Chantry doctrine in general. Leliana's views on the Maker are absolutely not conventional. Many of her ideas are borderline heretical in fact.

 

There's also Morrigan's speech about 'chaos VS order' about how nature is chaotic. Err, no it isn't, Morri-moo. A tree isn't as likely to grow towards the ground as it is to go towards the sun. There are patterns and rules. In other words, a natural order. It's different from human society, but there is a system that can be learned, and 'survival of the fittest' can translate to the smartest, not necessarily the one who packs the biggest punch.

 

That's one thing Leliana understands much better. She is a clever, clever lass our ginger is. 

 

Funny how they both get blinded by their feelings. One by attachment, the other by fear. Leliana gets into trouble because she cares about the wrong people (Marjolaine, Justinia, etc.) and Morrigan because she's afraid of being controlled, and is thus manipulated into doing other people's bidding (Flemeth, probably Solas if she drinks from the Well. I think he was using reverse psychology.)

[vertigomez]

I already have, Bubele. 

Tish!

Sidenote, any guesses as to how tall Leliana is? I know it's all headcanon given that every human lady has the same body model, but I'm wondering how far she has to lean over to smooch a dwarven or elven Warden. It's for science.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Tish!

Sidenote, any guesses as to how tall Leliana is? I know it's all headcanon given that every human lady has the same body model, but I'm wondering how far she has to lean over to smooch a dwarven or elven Warden. It's for science.

5' 6'', maybe? Certainly tall and strong enough to wield a full-sized longbow.

[Han Shot First]

Her DA:O character file described her as slender, but didn't mention height. I always pictured her as being a little bit tall as well, since it probably better matches a slender build, than short. Longbows require a good deal of strength, so I can't imagine her being much of a bowman if she had an all around small build.

[Basement Cat]

Speaking of accidental threeways...

 

 

Who cares about that whiny nerd! I love only you, Leli baby! My Ginger Snaps! My precious flower! My love! Noooooooooo! Don't break up with me because I told that idiot he was handsome! Noooooooooooooooooooo!

 

*clear throat* Yeah. That was an unfortunate accident.