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[Qun00]

Replied before I was done editing it and started a new page. Good job, guy.

It's been made very clear in the lore that while no one particularly cares if you're gay in Thedas,

Well...

[Qun00]

Neither of them particularly care.

Then you must've missed most of Oghren's banter with Zevran or Gamlen's reaction to M!Hawke romancing Fenris.

[thats1evildude]

No one is executed for being gay in Thedas. There are no laws against homosexuality. Andraste never forbade it.

"No one particularly cares" doesn't mean "everyone absolutely shares the same viewpoint." The opinions of a few outliers don't represent the general attitudes of Thedas.

Arl Howe mocks lady Cousland for "trying to be a man." But he's an ***hole, and what's more, he's TRYING to be an even bigger ***hole.

[vertigomez]

Yeah, I don't think most people care in any significant way. A few offhand remarks by characters who are designed to be, um... tactless and a little skeevy? don't really reflect the populace as a whole.

That said, I know Cyrion would still be pushing marriage anyway just like Halward and co., I just think being able to say you don't want to get married because you don't like the opposite sex would have been a nice little mark of characterization, even if your family/community stills insists. But ah well.

[jlb524]

My CE's plans were to go along with the wedding and then steal the dowry money and become a mercenary or something.

 

I don't remember if there is a dowry, actually.  I haven't played the CE origin in a few years.  I'm replaying my Mage now and less marriage drama in that Origin

[introverted_assassin]

Pretty much head canon that my CE finds that her would be betrothed is gay and agrees to one child between them, unbeknownst to Cyrion of course...and then he dies...and she becomes a Grey Warden and not just any one, THE one...and then Leli happens...basically, it was never in the cards for her to have that life lol

[vertigomez]

^ Headcanon solves everything!

Does anyone else feel like Leliana has the most well-integrated carryover romance? I say this because Zev is relegated to a codex entry, Alistair's romance content is dependent on if he's a Warden (and then he can die...) and there's something about Morrigan's that... I dunno? Feels missing? I'm trying to sort it all out in my head so I can envision a world state for the next game, which itself is a long way away but eeehhhh.

So, how do you feel the Leliana x Warden romance was treated in DAI/Trespasser? What about in comparison to the others? Do you feel it was lacking anything, or just right, or OOC? Does Leli's character in Inquisition affect your choice of what kind of Warden you want to romance her with?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Does anyone else feel like Leliana has the most well-integrated carryover romance?

 

All the romances in DAO have some flaws in them with regards to integration. With Leliana, there is that time in DA2 where she says that she does not know where the Hero of Ferelden that romanced her had gone even though later in Inquisition she says she know where the Hero of Ferelden who romanced her went - To seek a cure for the Calling.

 

You would think Cassandra would try to throttle Leliana for hiding something like that like what she tried to do with Varric after Varric revealed he knew where Hawke is. However that never happens.

 

Having said all that, I personally think that Leliana's romance in DAO is the most natural one. By that I mean if you play a neutral or a good Warden, you don't have to game the dialogue system or the companion gifting system to figure out the proper response or proper gifts for Leliana. It all flows naturally.

[jlb524]

^ Headcanon solves everything!

Does anyone else feel like Leliana has the most well-integrated carryover romance? I say this because Zev is relegated to a codex entry, Alistair's romance content is dependent on if he's a Warden (and then he can die...) and there's something about Morrigan's that... I dunno? Feels missing? I'm trying to sort it all out in my head so I can envision a world state for the next game, which itself is a long way away but eeehhhh.

So, how do you feel the Leliana x Warden romance was treated in DAI/Trespasser? What about in comparison to the others? Do you feel it was lacking anything, or just right, or OOC? Does Leli's character in Inquisition affect your choice of what kind of Warden you want to romance her with?

 

I thought it was good but I never did other DA:O romances so can't compare.  The two Wardens I considered my canon (City Elf and Circle Mage) didn't change at all b/c of DAI.

 

I could say, it would have been nicer if the Warden was around in some capacity but that wasn't going to happen so it's good for what it is.

[Basement Cat]

 

Having said all that, I personally think that Leliana's romance in DAO is the most natural one. By that I mean if you play a neutral or a good Warden, you don't have to game the dialogue system or the companion gifting system to figure out the proper response or proper gifts for Leliana. It all flows naturally.

Not to mention her tendency to ninja!mance the Warden. Leli just wants to be loved.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Not to mention her tendency to ninja!mance the Warden. Leli just wants to be loved.

 

Confession time - I have never been ninjamanced by Leliana.

[Basement Cat]

Neither have I. I kinda wish I had been though.

[Basement Cat]

Double post. Sorry. Have a sleepy Leliana to compensate.

 

[Silvery]

Double post. Sorry. Have a sleepy Leliana to compensate.

 

 

Doubt she is really sleeping, probably pretending to to eavesdrop on someone or catch them off guard. 

[Pasquale1234]

So, how do you feel the Leliana x Warden romance was treated in DAI/Trespasser?

I've yet to finish the main game let alone Trespasser, but the word "squee" comes to mind. I'm really happy that she's so devoted to the Warden, and the Warden is doing her best to give them a long and happy life together.
 

All the romances in DAO have some flaws in them with regards to integration. With Leliana, there is that time in DA2 where she says that she does not know where the Hero of Ferelden that romanced her had gone even though later in Inquisition she says she know where the Hero of Ferelden who romanced her went - To seek a cure for the Calling.

I think that's always a tough call. The writers probably want to accommodate those who viewed their Warden's Leliana romance as a shorter-term affair as well as those who wanted them together forever. That Sister Nightingale acknowledged her affection for the Warden while disavowing any knowledge of her whereabouts was kind of a compromise, I think.

The Keep may have made that a bit easier for them in DAI. Anyone who didn't want their Warden to still be in the DAO relationship could adjust their imported world state accordingly.

[draken-heart]

So started playing again, and now am stuck at what to do about Leliana with that dumb Butler mess. I liked Hardened Leliana in Origins, but hardened in Inquisition is just plain scary.

 

Double post. Sorry. Have a sleepy Leliana to compensate.

 

 

Sleepy Leli is sleepy

[AFA]

I kind of find the whole male warden and Leli relationship post DAO to be kind of depressing honestly. The letter the Warden sends warms my heart, as is the plan to grow old with her, but the years between DAO and DAI...

 

Married to their respective jobs instead of each other, no kids (and the blight and Leli's age making that close to impossible). You wonder how much time the Warden and Leli actually spent together in that decade. Makes you wonder how they both changed while apart. Is there lingering resentment and regret?   

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I kind of find the whole male warden and Leli relationship post DAO to be kind of depressing honestly. The letter the Warden sends warms my heart, as is the plan to grow old with her, but the years between DAO and DAI...

 

Married to their respective jobs instead of each other, no kids (and the blight and Leli's age making that close to impossible). You wonder how much time the Warden and Leli actually spent together in that decade. Makes you wonder how they both changed while apart. Is there lingering resentment and regret?   

 

The beautiful thing about the DAO - DAI period is that it is completely open to headcannons. So while the Warden and Leliana are married to their jobs, there is nothing in lore that forbids them from meeting up every month or from sending love letters to each other regularly.

 

I personally prefer the male Warden over the female Warden for Leliana because her previous lover was a female and she hurt Leliana badly. So its sort of poetic and symbolic to have her fall for a male Warden after that whole debacle with Marjolaine.

[Wulfram]

So, how do you feel the Leliana x Warden romance was treated in DAI/Trespasser? What about in comparison to the others? Do you feel it was lacking anything, or just right, or OOC? Does Leli's character in Inquisition affect your choice of what kind of Warden you want to romance her with?

In DAI I think its pretty rubbish. Its just crowbarred in fanservice that's utterly disconnected from her character when she's not in fanservice mode. And the irrelevance of the romance to the outcome of her personal quest is annoying.

Plus it continues the whole "We love each other so much we make sure to always be in different countries!" thing which I find annoying. Trespasser seems to get past that at least, so its better.

[jlb524]

In DAI I think its pretty rubbish. Its just crowbarred in fanservice that's utterly disconnected from her character when she's not in fanservice mode. And the irrelevance of the romance to the outcome of her personal quest is annoying.

Plus it continues the whole "We love each other so much we make sure to always be in different countries!" thing which I find annoying. Trespasser seems to get past that at least, so its better.

It is unfortunate the Warden couldn't be in the game. I don't think it was bad given that restriction.

I haven't played Trespasser in a bit, but it's implied the Warden is back, correct? I think that was my headcanon...my Warden found the cure but she was busy with other stuff and wasn't around the few days the DLC takes place.

[CrimsonN7]

Neither have I. I kinda wish I had been though.

 

You just suffer from the same fate I do whenever I booted up a new playthrough. I'm gonna try someone else this time, then I get to Lothering. Oh well, I tried.

[jlb524]

I have no idea who else I'd even try to romance in that game.

[dsl08002]

I've yet to finish the main game let alone Trespasser, but the word "squee" comes to mind. I'm really happy that she's so devoted to the Warden, and the Warden is doing her best to give them a long and happy life together. I think that's always a tough call. The writers probably want to accommodate those who viewed their Warden's Leliana romance as a shorter-term affair as well as those who wanted them together forever. That Sister Nightingale acknowledged her affection for the Warden while disavowing any knowledge of her whereabouts was kind of a compromise, I think.The Keep may have made that a bit easier for them in DAI. Anyone who didn't want their Warden to still be in the DAO relationship could adjust their imported world state accordingly.

I think that the writers never really thought it through with any involvment with the warden?

[ThePhoenixKing]

The beautiful thing about the DAO - DAI period is that it is completely open to headcannons. So while the Warden and Leliana are married to their jobs, there is nothing in lore that forbids them from meeting up every month or from sending love letters to each other regularly.

 

I personally prefer the male Warden over the female Warden for Leliana because her previous lover was a female and she hurt Leliana badly. So its sort of poetic and symbolic to have her fall for a male Warden after that whole debacle with Marjolaine.

 

That's pretty much my take on it too; Leliana was committed to her role as the Left Hand, and the Warden stayed in Amaranthine to rule over the arling and lead the Ferelden Wardens, but the distance never really mattered to them, and they took what time they could for each other. It helps that my Warden is devoted to the Order and likes ruling Amaranthine, instead of endlessly kvetching about it all the time.

 

I will say, though, that I don't think the gender of Leliana's lover (or friend) really matters all that much. While I do agree that she probably has some intimacy issues resulting from Marjolaine's betrayal (which I'll be addressing in The Grey Path, hint, hint ), so long as the Warden is supportive and dedicated to her, it doesn't matter to Leliana whether it's a man or a woman she's in love with.

[thats1evildude]

Gender doesn't matter to Leliana except for that one scene in DAI where she goes "Y'know, I miss the Hero of Ferelden, but sometimes I'm glad to have a little distance between me and her. The lesbian thing gets a little tiring and sometimes I really wish the Warden was a dude."