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#226
CybAnt1

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Not for the player character, anyway.

 

They could make it a "base" mage school, but I don't think so, as it goes against reacting to the choice, which they say they want to do (and no one reacts to your base magic school choices.)

 

One of your companions may have some blood magic in their "unique" tree. And I bet we'll be running into other blood mages - perhaps as enemies. 


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It doesn't have to be evil on principle. In practice, even the Tevinter Imperium discourages it (although with great hypocrisy). The Grey Wardens aren't a good example since even they admit that they will use whatever it takes to defeat the darkspawn. After all, nothing can be worse than the triumph of a Blight. However, blood magic is tied to demons teaching it, to mind control, to desperate or terrorist mages, to human/elven sacrifice, etc. No wonder is seen in a bad light, and not just because of Chantry propaganda (the Dalish are against it too).


I'm not arguing that it can't be misused, I'm addressing that we have multiple examples where the school of magic is used for purposes that aren't villainous. Grey Wardens fighting darkspawn, or apostates trying to stay alive against templars who can nullify their powers. It's hard to say it's inherently evil when we have two games where it was used by people who weren't malevolent or villainous. Pointing out that there are reasons why it's distrusted by some people and groups doesn't really change that, as it wasn't the focus of my statement.

Don't forget the last part: "It remains an undeniably violent and self-destructive discipline, however, and the Blood Mage must be careful. The temptation to take just a little more is always there."


Considering it involves the extraction of blood, I don't think anyone denies it's violent; we also see blood mage characters resist crossing certain lines and losing themselves, so again, I don't see how it's evil.

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That's just false, on both counts. You should check the lore before arguing about it

No, he is correct. The veil is made thinner by any use of magic. If the veil is already thin, then there is an increased chance at something coming through when magic is used in its vicinity.

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Yes, it is. It's demonic magic that weakens the veil.


No it isn't. Where are you getting your facts from?

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Knight Enchanter and Necromancer have gotten a lot of attention but the concept of the, "Rift Mage" really interests me above all else present.

 

On the note on, "Force Mages" not being present anymore, my hope is that Force mage abilities have been rolled into the base spell list, since those spells were a lot of fun in DA2. Even if they change the spells themselves, the basic idea of hitting enemies with an unseen force is a fun school of magic to explore.

Agreed, Personally I'm hoping it is converted into something like wind magic. I'm planning on making a storm themed Knight Enchanter. Close in my enemies with ice, stun ans damage them with lightning, then finish them off with these "blades of arcane energy." Wind spells would just be the cherry on top. Oh and I am so looking forward to that lightning spell we see in the new trailer. It will be perfect for a cqc mage. 



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Where?

 

I don't remember particular place, it was a Q&A from Pax. 



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Sounds good. One the big issues I had with the previous specialisations is that they all felt a little bit too exotic. There is nothing wrong with one or two like that, but when you are picking two specialisations for a single character, it felt odd from a roleplaying perspective when pulled in such different directions.

 

Have we been told if we get two specialisations?



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*Just noticed*

I don't agree.

of course you wouldn't.

#234
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I believe WoT states that blood mages are more susceptable to possession - and since we don't know just how successfully demons are inhabiting Thedas - possession might be a HUGE part of what's happening on Thedas. 

Personally - I want to see vast quantities of mages consumed by demons.  Groups of abominations hunting mages down and dragging men, women and children back toward tears for possession by lesser demons who might not be able to stick around. 

 

But most importantly - blood magic is laughable to demons - as per the demon who openly mocked Avernus for his idiocy.  

 

I am elated blood magic seems to not be part of the PC's gaming experience - I know that sounds rude to those who love it, but to me  - Bioware never intended for blood  magic to be anything other than a corrupting, vile discipline - and since they can't portray it AND appease gamer self-importance, I think it best to remove it altogether.

 

I'm thinking Rift Mage for myself - sounds the most unusual.


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#235
KainD

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I believe WoT states that blood mages are more susceptable to possession 

 

No, it doesn't. Been there thoroughly. 



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No, it doesn't. Been there thoroughly. 

True. While not innately more susceptible, their blood magic will probably attract demons, which ups their chances of being possessed.



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I am elated blood magic seems to not be part of the PC's gaming experience - I know that sounds rude to those who love it, but to me  - Bioware never intended for blood  magic to be anything other than a corrupting, vile discipline - and since they can't portray it AND appease gamer self-importance, I think it best to remove it altogether.

 

I'm thinking Rift Mage for myself - sounds the most unusual.

It is entirely possible that Rift Magic is the closest to Blood Magic. It sounds to me like it could be pulling stuff out of rifts... like Demons.



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Only three per class?  Man.  Wish they'd add some from DA:Awakenings.  But dat Necromancer.  If that doesn't scream Blood Mage I don't know what will.



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It's a Lore fact, unless as DA3 will apparently show about certain things we've been swerved, that the knowledge of Blood Magic originates from a deal with a demon. Not a spirit or anything nice. A demon. If that can't be called "evil" then, well that's not surprising in our society that thinks everything including ice cream flavors can be "epic".

With that there is plenty of ground already covered in the stories that show you can learn blood magic without dealing with a demon, just have to learn it from someone else who did or wherever that "family tree" of events goes.

eg. DAO: Warden's Keep is a prime example of being able to learn a bit of "Blood Magic" from a source other than a demon... well in your Warden's case anyway. Obviously not so with the saps in the Keep.

Now whether or not that situation makes Blood Magic less evil or whatever can be wonderful debate.

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It's a Lore fact, unless as DA3 will apparently show about certain things we've been swerved, that the knowledge of Blood Magic originates from a deal with a demon. Not a spirit or anything nice. A demon. If that can't be called "evil" then, well that's not surprising in our society that thinks everything including ice cream flavors can be "epic".

With that there is plenty of ground already covered in the stories that show you can learn blood magic without dealing with a demon, just have to learn it from someone else who did or wherever that "family tree" of events goes.

eg. DAO: Warden's Keep is a prime example of being able to learn a bit of "Blood Magic" from a source other than a demon... well in your Warden's case anyway. Obviously not so with the saps in the Keep.

Now whether or not that situation makes Blood Magic less evil or whatever can be wonderful debate.

 

We don't know, ultimately, from where knowledge of BM originates from. We just have a bunch of historical accounts, and evidence that demons know it and that people write it down in books. 



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It's a Lore fact, unless as DA3 will apparently show about certain things we've been swerved, that the knowledge of Blood Magic originates from a deal with a demon. Not a spirit or anything nice. A demon. If that can't be called "evil" then, well that's not surprising in our society that thinks everything including ice cream flavors can be "epic".

With that there is plenty of ground already covered in the stories that show you can learn blood magic without dealing with a demon, just have to learn it from someone else who did or wherever that "family tree" of events goes.

eg. DAO: Warden's Keep is a prime example of being able to learn a bit of "Blood Magic" from a source other than a demon... well in your Warden's case anyway. Obviously not so with the saps in the Keep.

Now whether or not that situation makes Blood Magic less evil or whatever can be wonderful debate.

When Merrill banters with Anders, he comments that many people first unconsciously use or realize the power of blood magic if they accidentally cut themselves and happen to draw blood.



#242
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Just because a demon knows it, doesn't mean I can't do good with it. :)
I made every mage I could a blood mage.  Guess I'm just an evil person.  :devil:



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When Merrill banters with Anders, he comments that many people first unconsciously use or realize the power of blood magic if they accidentally cut themselves and happen to draw blood.


True. Considering Jowan is implied to have learned blood magic from books in the Circle and the Orlesian Warden can ask the Baroness to teach him blood magic (at a time when he believes she is simply another mage), it's clearly not a school of magic that's limited to being taught by a denizen of the Fade (Beyond). Even WoT reads that blood magic is taught, and doesn't imply that a deal with a demon (or spirit, if you're going by Dalish terms) was necessary for this knowledge to be originally obtained.

No one is even clear on the inception of blood magic, as the stories range from Dumat as the originator to creatures of the Fade (Beyond).

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When Merrill banters with Anders, he comments that many people first unconsciously use or realize the power of blood magic if they accidentally cut themselves and happen to draw blood.

Wasn't he kinda semi-joking when he said that?



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OHMY I love the hat! (mage)



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By the way, has anything been said about the class specializations for companions? What do you think, are they going to use the "normal" specializations (as in DA:I) or will they have some of their own (as in DA2)?



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By the way, has anything been said about the class specializations for companions? What do you think, are they going to use the "normal" specializations (as in DA:I) or will they have some of their own (as in DA2)?

 

Nothing has been said so far but my guess is they're going to follow the DA2 style, each companion will have his/her own unique tree.



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Maybe was already asked but the spec we see on the web site are the one dedicated to the inquisitor or they will be accessible to companions also?

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Nothing has been said so far but my guess is they're going to follow the DA2 style, each companion will have his/her own unique tree.

 

I prefer it that way. Still, if it wasn't so, I'd ask which kind of specialization each companion is going to have (for example, Cassandra could be Templar, Varric an Artificier and Vivienne a Knight Enchanter).



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I find it funny that some people are complaining about the lack of specializations for each class.  I am very much happy with only being able to pick only one specialization but have that specialization be more detailed and can affect the plot.