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So which conflict is the peace summit for?


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#226
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I wonder if the Conference even stood a chance though.

 

Like was it just people screaming "SUBMIT HEATHENS" or "MAGE FREEDOM!" at each other Just like the forums.....

Like why blow up a conference that was going NOWHERE

Unless it was coming close to solving things that is.

Or maybe it was just to kill the leaders willing to negotiate.

 

All we can know is that someone wanted the war to continue. 

 

Makes sense they had leaders willing to negotiate.



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I'm not convinced it was either the mages or the templars that caused the blast. Seems to me there's something bigger manipulating the factions. I doubt the wardens would be an enemy faction if this was just about mages or templars sabotaging the summit. My guess is, someone else did this and caused the breach. Maybe Corypheus, maybe Flemeth/Morrigan, or maybe even Fen'Harel. If none of the above, probably another major power that we don't know about yet. I doubt it's going to be a direct cause of the mage/templar war, though. It seems to me that someone is just vested in causing chaos everywhere.  


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I'm not convinced it was either the mages or the templars that caused the blast. Seems to me there's something bigger manipulating the factions. I doubt the wardens would be an enemy faction if this was just about mages or templars sabotaging the summit. My guess is, someone else did this and caused the breach. Maybe Corypheus, maybe Flemeth/Morrigan, or maybe even Fen'Harel. If none of the above, probably another major power that we don't know about yet. I doubt it's going to be a direct cause of the mage/templar war, though. It seems to me that someone is just vested in causing chaos everywhere.  

 

I like this.

 

Me, I'm more inclined to see it as an unknown third party. Mages don't seek to destroy the world, they seek to live in it without being seen as monsters to be tolerated, and templars are more concerned with the safety of the majority, not just the mages, and for the most part want mages isolated and sealed away to contain and minimize the potential damage.

 

Neither side has any real motivation to breach the veil and cause a hailstorm of demons to rain on the earth.

 

I can see Tevinter or the Qunari doing it as a way to sow chaos and make the southlands easier to conquer, but the Qunari are terrified of magic, seeing it as a contagious disease and Tevinter is too involved in its war with the Qunari.

 

I suspect Flemeth or an otherwise unknown third party at this time. 


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#229
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I suspect that the new enemy was responsible (as in the weird floating demon that is being featured more and more)

From what we know the Chantry and Mages were meeting for a peace conference.

From this it seems likely that the chief culprit was a templar, as not only would it prevent a peace accord between the Chantry and Mages (thus meaning the broken away templars would be seen as the bad guys, but most people would blame mages for the attack)

I'd guess somewhere along the line an extremist templar found himself conversing with a demon (possibly through a captured apostate) who promised that he would carryout the attack to prevent said peace deal.

The demon being a demon of course manipulates and betrays the templar and rather then just kill the devine or the head of the mages (as the templar believed would happen) blows up everything and rips open the sky.

Perhaps this is why we fight the Wardens? We may need corypheus and his knowledge of the fade to help repair the veil the Wardens are for whatever reason not accommodating.
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Mages have their fair share of warmongers looking to sabotage any attempts at a compromise; Anders and Adrian are the most obvious ones but even Fiona could be called such. Anders even made sure his act of terrorism was obviously magical in nature because he wanted mages to go to war.

It's just as likely a mage did this.



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It would be far too easy and far too redundant an answer. "Mages did it!" With the changes that they've talked about for this title and how the Mage/Templar war will not be a central focus. it is likely that it is someone on the outside laughing as they annihilate one another. THE agent of chaos. 


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Maric's magic penis.

that needs to be a staff's name in DA:I
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If you look at only in-game knowledge, it would be easy to guess the mages or the red templars caused the blast. If you look at what the devs have said about the game, it seems unlikely. David Gaider said the mage/templar war would not be the focus of DA:I, but just one of the side elements. If they actually caused the blast, it would be hard for it not to be the focus. There are other factions pulled into this also, such as the wardens and the Orlesian civil war. When you look at the whole picture, it becomes more likely that this is the work of an outside group that doesn't want any of the factions making peace. 


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Mages have their fair share of warmongers looking to sabotage any attempts at a compromise; Anders and Adrian are the most obvious ones but even Fiona could be called such. Anders even made sure his act of terrorism was obviously magical in nature because he wanted mages to go to war.

It's just as likely a mage did this.

 

It's just as likely as a Templar warmonger. 

 

But I'm willing to take the devs at their word that the mage/templar conflict is not the main focus, so I think it's an unknown third party. Heck, it could be a dragon for all we know since we know that Dragon Cults worship dragons, and dragons have to be sentient to some level.

 

It could be the natural reaction of uncorrupted Archdemons entering the scene, and the world going "Oh crap, the archdemons of ancient Tevinter aren't the only ones."

 

I don't have answers, but that also seems a likely as a mage or a red templar sabotaging a peace summit,


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that needs to be a staff's name in DA:I

 

I think this naming scheme works, it just needs to be tweaked so that it fits with the general convention of how other weapons are named.

 

Maric's Arcane Phallus works, I think.


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#236
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Mages have their fair share of warmongers looking to sabotage any attempts at a compromise; Anders and Adrian are the most obvious ones but even Fiona could be called such. Anders even made sure his act of terrorism was obviously magical in nature because he wanted mages to go to war.

It's just as likely a mage did this.

 

If the conference is a peace deal between the Chantry and Mages the most likely candidate are the Temples/Seekers. Remember JustineV and Wynne thought it was the Templars that set-up the Blood Mage to attack Justina. The Lord Seeker wanted to take her out of power and he did in the end with his letter stating Seeker/Templars would no longer support the Chantry. Yes he is dead but there were others that shared his belief.



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"From what we know the Chantry and Mages were meeting for a peace conference."

 

From the beginning of Asunder we know that the Lord Seeker wanted to bypass the Chantry. The story tells us the Seeker/Templars are the most likely candidates for setting up the suicide Blood Mage attempt on Justina V. Lambert's goal was a toothless Chantry. Justina V was a smart women who knew how to play the game. Templar and Seekers were use to a divine that was senile. They needed Justina gone. The peace conference would have been a great opportunity to get rid of mages and the Chantry.

 

It is the Temple/Seekers or it is an outsider. I can't see why the mages would do it. Many of them saw Justina as someone who was trying to help.



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let them rot.

 

easier to deal with situation if you asked me, when vips are removed.

 

 

Exactly, decapitation strike, all that remains is the slaughter of the rest of the Maker Worshipping scum.



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Just to add my two cents, it's called reconning yes there's a discrepancy between the books and the game but the fact remains the game was written first then multiple books which seem to that heavily indicate fiona is Alistair mother.

You can not just decide Gaider is wrong because you don't like the person. Yes there's some issues but that's why reconning exists unless the books aren't considered as proper cannon or lore then by virtue of coming after the game then they are correct.

And besides there is no "real" discrepancy in the case of Alistair considering the information we get in the games is subjective it relies on not only upon the person telling the truth and remembering correctly.

It is entirely plausible that marics ruse was being maintained by the arle even after marics death. Particularly seeing as he supports Alistairs bid for the throne.

 

That is how i see it as well. I'm hoping before Fiona gets killed she writes a letter to Alistair. It would be nice if that was finally cleared up.



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I personally prefer it in limbo.  There's no reason why she would need to tell Alistair anything now, and no reason Alistair particularly needs to know or care about it.  Then, we can just have endless speculation on the matter.



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Maric's Arcane Phallus works, I think.

Maric's Mystic Majesty, it increases healing that you deliver and it PENATRATES the enemy's magical. defense.

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If you look at only in-game knowledge, it would be easy to guess the mages or the red templars caused the blast. If you look at what the devs have said about the game, it seems unlikely. David Gaider said the mage/templar war would not be the focus of DA:I, but just one of the side elements. If they actually caused the blast, it would be hard for it not to be the focus. There are other factions pulled into this also, such as the wardens and the Orlesian civil war. When you look at the whole picture, it becomes more likely that this is the work of an outside group that doesn't want any of the factions making peace. 

 

While I don't disagree, and I doubt that whoever was responsible for the blast is more than tangentially connected to the Mage/Templar war, I would like to point out a certain fallacy in this deduction; it assumes that the devs are telling the truth, which is rarely a safe assumption.

 

That being said, I repeat; I believe the culprit is an unknown third party.