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[LobselVith8]

Why do you hate her? She was a tortured person.

I liked Fiona as a person, and I'm glad she fought for mage autonomy. Duncan seemed to like her, and named an axe after her: "When Polara disappeared - perhaps recalled to Weisshaupt, although none in Ferelden saw her leave, nor have seen her since - Duncan bequeathed to her son a silverite axe of great value. Duncan said he had wielded it and a twin in younger days, back when he had been a far different man. He'd named the axe 'Fiona' after a Warden who inspired him, and suggested that the son ought to take similar inspiration from his mother."

Her reason for returning to the Circle was commendable (although I think you disliked the story), and it's basically what Wynne encourages the mage protagonist to do (in returning to make the Circle a better place, especially if they viewed it as an "oppressive place"): “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.”

As for the Maric/Fiona "romance", I could see why people hated it, given the cliches. I think Maric wasn't all that Loghain perceived him to be; he had a lot of short-comings. It's also interesting that Alistair does more as King to help the elves than Maric ever did during his reign, despite having a child with one and the involvement of the Night Elves during the rebellion.

[Milan92]

I liked Fiona as a person, and I'm glad she fought for mage autonomy. Duncan seemed to like her, and named an axe after her: "When Polara disappeared - perhaps recalled to Weisshaupt, although none in Ferelden saw her leave, nor have seen her since—Duncan bequeathed to her son a silverite axe of great value. Duncan said he had wielded it and a twin in younger days, back when he had been a far different man. He'd named the axe 'Fiona' after a Warden who inspired him, and suggested that the son ought to take similar inspiration from his mother."

Her reason for returning to the Circle was commendable (although I think you disliked the story), and it's basically what Wynne encourages the mage protagonist to do (in returning to make the Circle a better place, especially if they viewed it as an "oppressive place"): “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.”

As for the Maric/Fiona "romance", I could see why people hated it, given the cliches. I think Maric wasn't all that Loghain perceived him to be; he had a lot of short-comings. It's also interesting that Alistair does more as King to help the elves than Maric ever did during his reign, despite having a child with one and the involvement of the Night Elves during the rebellion.

 

Okay so just to be clear. Maric has a child with Fiona and it could be either Alistair or someone completely new? Because if its not Alistair then I could see another civil war coming up if the bastard is ambitious enough.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The other bastard probably doesn't even know who his father is, since he was raised by a commoner and Duncan promised not to tell him of his heritage.

[Thetford]

Okay so just to be clear. Maric has a child with Fiona and it could be either Alistair or someone completely new? Because if its not Alistair then I could see another civil war coming up if the bastard is ambitious enough.

I have seen Cullen been suggested on another thread.

[Milan92]

The other bastard probably doesn't even know who his father is, since he was raised by a commoner and Duncan promised not to tell him of his heritage.

 

If the writers want it then he will find out

[Heimdall]

Okay so just to be clear. Maric has a child with Fiona and it could be either Alistair or someone completely new? Because if its not Alistair then I could see another civil war coming up if the bastard is ambitious enough.

That said, the Calling takes place the same year Alistair was born, so it is likely him.

[Milan92]

That said, the Calling takes place the same year Alistair was born, so it is likely him.

 

I see.

[Cobra's_back]

I have seen Cullen been suggested on another thread.

 

I heard Cullen wasn't born the correct year. I didn't know Cullen was a Bastard.

[Cobra's_back]

That said, the Calling takes place the same year Alistair was born, so it is likely him.

 

That is what i remembered.

[Cobra's_back]

The other bastard probably doesn't even know who his father is, since he was raised by a commoner and Duncan promised not to tell him of his heritage.

 

Where did you get this? Where did it say that Duncan gave the child to a commoner?

[EmperorSahlertz]

That said, the Calling takes place the same year Alistair was born, so it is likely him.

Alistair was born while Rowan was alive. Rowan is dead by the time of The Calling. So it seems like Alistair and Cailan got a younger brother.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Where did you get this? Where did it say that Duncan gave the child to a commoner?

Fiona didn't want her child to grow up and lvie a life amongst royalty and nobelity. That leaves commoners.

[Cobra's_back]

I have read the Calling in a long time but posted in Wiki for the Calling/Fiona:

 

"Fiona traveled to Denerim with Duncan to meet with King Maric. Fiona explained that she was called to Weisshaupt to lead a search for the Architect, while Duncan was stationed to Ferelden as second-in-command. But the true reason for Fiona's journey had been to reveal to Maric that she had his child, and to exact a promise from Maric that their son would be told his mother was a human and had died, while Duncan promised to watch over him."

[Cobra's_back]

Alistair was born while Rowan was alive. Rowan is dead by the time of The Calling. So it seems like Alistair and Cailan got a younger brother.

 

Where did you get this? The dragon age book on put his birth the same year as "The Calling"?

 

Alistair (born 9:10 Dragon[1]) is a playful and compassionate Grey Warden and one of the companions in Dragon Age: Origins. He is a potential romance option for a female Warden.

 

Rowan was dead already.

[Former_Fiend]

The "The Calling takes place the same year as Alistair's birth" thing always annoyed me. In the game, Loghain says Rowan was still alive when Alistair was born, where as she was years dead in The Calling.

 

And the whole Goldanna plot doesn't make any sense with Alistair being Fiona's son, either.

[Cobra's_back]

Fiona didn't want her child to grow up and lvie a life amongst royalty and nobelity. That leaves commoners.

 

No where does it say he took the child to a commoner.

[Cobra's_back]

The "The Calling takes place the same year as Alistair's birth" thing always annoyed me. In the game, Loghain says Rowan was still alive when Alistair was born, where as she was years dead in The Calling.

 

And the whole Goldanna plot doesn't make any sense with Alistair being Fiona's son, either.

 

Maybe he didn't know. One thing for sure is that statement doesn't fit the dragon age lore.

[LobselVith8]

I'm a pessimist at heart, so I'm pretty confident DA:I will fare similary to ME3.
 
Some forboding signs are already here.
First, the departure from the original plan - we were only supposed to have a human protagonist (which kinda makes sense), but because people wanted race choice, they crowbared race choice in. Not to mention some people hate either chantry or religion in general, so they musn't be forced to associate with them.

I'm happy about the inclusion of multiple racial backgrounds, and personally, I'm more interested in the non-Andrastian cultures. It's not unreasonable that a Dalish elf, a Dwarf, or a Vashoth would have the same inclination to save the world as a human would, so I don't see the issue.

 
So now you can have qunari heretics leading the Inquisition, and everyone jumping aboard the bandwagon because of plot.
 
Yeah, I have my doubt the devs will manage to dig themsleves out of that hole. Let alone the others.

There seems to be religious undertones (as far as the perception by the public) in the protagonist surviving the cataclysm at a "sacred site", so this will likely explain why a non-human is in a leadership position. I'm curious how that will be approached with a non-Andrastian protagonist.

[Former_Fiend]

Maybe he didn't know. One thing for sure is that statement doesn't fit the dragon age lore.

 

He was Maric's best friend and closet adviser, and speaks on it with first hand knowledge.

[Cobra's_back]

The Calling:

 

"Dragon Age: The Calling is the second novel to be set in the Dragon Age universe. It is set approximately in 9:10 Dragon, eleven years after King Maric Theirin and his companions ventured into the Deep Roads as described in Dragon Age: The Stolen Throne and eight years after the rebellion led by Prince Maric managed to drive out the Orlesians from Ferelden.

 

The novel focuses on Maric, a young Duncan and the Grey Wardens. It was written by David Gaider and released on October 13, 2009."

 

"Alistair (born 9:10 Dragon[1]) is a playful and compassionate Grey Warden and one of the companions in Dragon Age: Origins. He is a potential romance option for a female Warden."

 

How did Marc get two ladies impregnated when he was in the deep roads?

[Milan92]

He was Maric's best friend and closet adviser, and speaks on it with first hand knowledge.

 

Closet advisor huh?

[Cobra's_back]

He was Maric's best friend and closet adviser, and speaks on it with first hand knowledge.

 

That I know but then there is an error in the game vs the dragon age lore. 

[LobselVith8]

Closet advisor huh?

Coming from the Seeker who called the Inquisitor's companions bald?

[Former_Fiend]

That I know but then there is an error in the game vs the dragon age lore. 

 

And I'm taking the game at it's word, because the alternative doesn't make any damned sense.

 

David Gaider intended for Alistair to be Fiona's kid; I'm sure of that. However, I don't care. He made a lot of mistakes and didn't fact check and didn't cross reference with what was going into the game, which mattered a lot more than what went into the book. I'm not going to reward his laziness and lack of fact checking by acknowledging him when he tells me to ignore a brilliantly written game for a shoddily written book.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Where did you get this? The dragon age book on put his birth the same year as "The Calling"?

 

Alistair (born 9:10 Dragon[1]) is a playful and compassionate Grey Warden and one of the companions in Dragon Age: Origins. He is a potential romance option for a female Warden.

 

Rowan was dead already.

The fact that Arl Eamon mentions Rowans reaction to Alistair's presence.