Which adds another layer to it; I'm wondering if Justinia's detractors among the Red Templars might view the event that killed her as divine retribution for her (perceived) incompetence.
I would agree. I'm sure the Divine before her was worst. Justinia may claim she didn't have time to clear up all the problems (Her hands were tied excuse). One thing for sure the problem needed more action not inaction. She really let it get bad before she did anything.
The game lore overrules anything else, unless otherwise stated.
The fact that Arl Eamon mentions Rowans reaction to Alistair's presence.
Where did you get this? How could Rowan react if Alistair was born after her death per the lore?
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Where did you get this? How could Rowan react if Alistair was born after her death per the lore?
According to the game, he wasn't born after her death.
The game lore overrules anything else, unless otherwise stated.
You are saying the game lore overrules the books written by David Gaider? Did you hear in game the date of his birth?
According to the game, he wasn't born after her death.
What year is he born in the game? Why is David giving conflicting data?
You are saying the game lore overrules the books written by David Gaider? Did you hear in game the date of his birth?
Considering that he also wrote the game in which multiple characters state that Alistair was born before Rowan's death and in general make Alistair being the child of Fiona highly unlikely if not outright impossible, he's got no one but himself to blame.
What year is he born in the game? Why is David giving conflicting data?
They don't specify a year, merely that Rowan was still alive at the time.
Coming from the Seeker who called the Inquisitor's companions bald?
Bold! She said bold dammit!
You are saying the game lore overrules the books written by David Gaider? Did you hear in game the date of his birth?
I always thought it was interesting that the Architect did look like the darkspawn emissaries as depicted in Dragon Age 2, which was well into development when Awakening came out. So I'm thinking that was their way of reconciling it.
They don't specify a year, merely that Rowan was still alive at the time.
My background is engineering nothing upsets me more than incorrect dates. I really don't think getting dates corrected is a tough call. They shouldn't have his birth date marked incorrectly in their books because he is a character that shows up in games and books.
My background is engineering nothing upsets me more than incorrect dates. I really don't think getting dates corrected is a tough call. They shouldn't have his birth date marked incorrectly in their books because he is a character that shows up in games and books.
Well, like I said, Gaider almost certainly intended for Fiona to be Alistair's mother. The problem was that the Calling had a very short editing cycle so he wasn't able to get all the dates right.
And I understand that as lead writer he doesn't control every line of dialogue in the game, but given that he was writing for Alistair I think he could have coordinated with whoever was writing for Loghain and Eamon or anyone in a position to know Alistair's backstory to at the very least, get the general time frame right.
And I assume his writing for Alistair included Alistair's personal quest involving Goldanna; the problem is that that quest makes no sense when combined with the Fiona story. The whole point of keeping her kid away is that he wasn't supposed to know who his parents were. It makes no sense that they would tell him, or tell this girl who's mother just died.
The whole thing is entirely too convoluted and utterly pointless. If you want to keep Alistair away from the throne you have Eamon bite the bullet and claim to be the boy's father. I'm decently sure Eamon wasn't married at that point so it wouldn't have caused too many problems for him.
Well, like I said, Gaider almost certainly intended for Fiona to be Alistair's mother. The problem was that the Calling had a very short editing cycle so he wasn't able to get all the dates right.
And I understand that as lead writer he doesn't control every line of dialogue in the game, but given that he was writing for Alistair I think he could have coordinated with whoever was writing for Loghain and Eamon or anyone in a position to know Alistair's backstory to at the very least, get the general time frame right.
And I assume his writing for Alistair included Alistair's personal quest involving Goldanna; the problem is that that quest makes no sense when combined with the Fiona story. The whole point of keeping her kid away is that he wasn't supposed to know who his parents were. It makes no sense that they would tell him, or tell this girl who's mother just died.
The whole thing is entirely too convoluted and utterly pointless. If you want to keep Alistair away from the throne you have Eamon bite the bullet and claim to be the boy's father. I'm decently sure Eamon wasn't married at that point so it wouldn't have caused too many problems for him.
I like what you put together. The other was way too frustrating for someone like me. I'm not artistic. Thanks for taking the time to help me.
Maker sees Andraste resting place destroyed, goes to Weisshaput, breaks into The Warden's tomb. The Warden has a Hans Solo moment! Maker tells Warden in the Fade you're now the Inquisitor...get busy!
Maker sees Andraste resting place destroyed, goes to Weisshaput, breaks into The Warden's tomb. The Warden has a Hans Solo moment! Maker tells Warden in the Fade you're now the Inquisitor...get busy!
sorry wrong post
Her reason for returning to the Circle was commendable (although I think you disliked the story), and it's basically what Wynne encourages the mage protagonist to do (in returning to make the Circle a better place, especially if they viewed it as an "oppressive place"): “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.”
No, it wasn't. In fact, Wynne spoke against Fiona's plan twice. Wynne wanted people to improve the Circle. Fiona wants to tear it down.
No, it wasn't. In fact, Wynne spoke against Fiona's plan twice. Wynne wanted people to improve the Circle. Fiona wants to tear it down.
The "The Calling takes place the same year as Alistair's birth" thing always annoyed me. In the game, Loghain says Rowan was still alive when Alistair was born, where as she was years dead in The Calling.
And the whole Goldanna plot doesn't make any sense with Alistair being Fiona's son, either.
Eh DA's timeline being all over the place isn't news tho.
A mage Warden returning to the Circle to make it a better place was my point. Fiona wanted autonomy for the Circles, as she saw it as the best path for her people. That Wynne disagreed with the Libertarians because she thought the Chantry would kill all the mages as a result (as she said in Amaranthine) wasn't my point.
A better place for who though?
A better place for who though?
@ Former Fiend
That storyline with Alistair and Goldana always bothered me especially as a female warden. For me the only way it works is that Goldana was something entirely different to Alistair than what he claimed she was. You do have a dialogue option that comes up Friend or hinted more than friend. I've always been in the camp that Fiona was Alistair's mother. Yeah, that whole quest never made any sense. The only thing that made sense to me was that Duncan possibly told Alistair who his mother was. Playing a Dalish Elf Female Warden he does tell you he is especially happy that you are an elf. The noble female warden get no such words applied.
I'm starting to believe that Alistair lied to a female warden a lot or the developers have changed their minds. At first we are told Templars can't marry and in DA2 this isn't the case. Alistair makes you believe that Templars are very pious. DA2 shows this isn't the case. How many bloody Templars did we see in the blooming rose. Several of them with Cullen and Meredith allowing them to visit.
@ Former Fiend
That storyline with Alistair and Goldana always bothered me especially as a female warden. For me the only way it works is that Goldana was something entirely different to Alistair than what he claimed she was. You do have a dialogue option that comes up Friend or hinted more than friend. I've always been in the camp that Fiona was Alistair's mother. Yeah, that whole quest never made any sense. The only thing that made sense to me was that Duncan possibly told Alistair who his mother was. Playing a Dalish Elf Female Warden he does tell you he is especially happy that you are an elf. The noble female warden get no such words applied.
I'm starting to believe that Alistair lied to a female warden a lot or the developers have changed their minds. At first we are told Templars can't marry and in DA2 this isn't the case. Alistair makes you believe that Templars are very pious. DA2 shows this isn't the case. How many bloody Templars did we see in the blooming rose. Several of them with Cullen and Meredith allowing them to visit.
Considering that Goldanna goes along with it, I find that hard to believe.
The biggest problem I found with Alistairs story was that someone was dumb enough to send Alistair to a powerful noble in the first place. Why would Maric give Eamon such a destabilizing element and powerful weapon that is an Heir to the throne? I suspect It was actually Loghain and not Isolde that pressured Eamon to send Alistair to the Chantry.
As to Fiona, I'm all for the Wardens being more political..Heck my Warden essentially encouraged it what with putting 2 Monarchs on their thrones and becoming Prince-Consort and Teyrn of Gwaren himself. But I dont like the idea of someone deserting or leaving the Order..My Warden killed Alistair for trying it (among other reasons) So I'm dissapointed the Wardens didn't drag her back into the Order instead of letting her become Grand Enchanter even if she is no longer protected by the taint (Because she is Mary Sue or something) No longer my Inquisitor is attacking the Wardens, he's pissed he has to clean up their own mess by "taking care" of Fiona =P
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