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Zubi Fett

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Hello,

 

I've played the full game of Dragon Age: Origins and all of its DLCs. However, for what I have find, heard and see on the demo of Dragon Age II, it have kept me from buying it.

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition looks fantastic and I've recognize some characters from de demo of the second game. There for I would like to ask if some one could make me a resume of Dragon Age IIs events or link me to an existing threat(I've not been available to find anything on YouTube).

 

My thanks for your time,

 

Ion



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I'd suggest trying DA2, because even if you dislike the game itself, the characters make it still very enjoyable.

 

But a basic summary of the plot;

 

Hawke and their family are refugees from Lothering in Ferelden, who journey to their mother's home of Kirkwall in the Free Marches to escape the Blight. Either Hawke's sibling Bethany or Carver will die during the prologue, depending on their class: Bethany if Mage, Carver if Rogue or Warrior.

 

Fearing either themselves or their sister being discovered by the Templars who control Kirkwall, Hawke is convinced to join Varric on an expedition to a Lost Thaig in an uncharted and forgotten region of the Deep Roads, hoping to make a fortune for themselves. However, this requires first amassing enough coin to convince Varric's brother Bartrand to let them become a partner, setting up their main objective for the first Act. Along the way they meet various companions and meet with the Arishok, the leader of the Qunari, who is in Kirkwall for mysterious reasons.

 

Hawke goes on the expedition, where they are betrayed by Bartrand after discovering a Lyrium Idol made of a hitherto-unknown form of Red Lyrium, forcing them to find the long way out of the Thaig. The fate of their sibling is decided depending on their actions thus-far. If Bethany or Carver was left behind, she decides to go willingly to the Circle, while Carver becomes a Templar. If brought along to the Deep Roads, the sibling will contract the Taint and die, unless Anders is also present, who is able to direct them to some nearby Grey Wardens, who induct them into the order to save their lives.

 

Act 2 picks up three years later, with Hawke now a rich noble in the city. The Qunari have still not left and are growing increasingly restless, leading to the Viscount asking Hawke to become his go-between to the Arishok, as they are the only person he's willing to deal with. In between this, a Chantry Sister that Hawke had previously met is stirring up violence against the Qunari "heathens", further making Hawke's job difficult and eventually leading to the murder of the Viscount's son, who is a Qunari sympathiser.

 

Finally, it's reveal that Isabela had stolen the Tome of Koslun, the Qunari's sacred text, but had lost it and has spent most of the past two acts trying to track it down to save her own skin. After recovering it, she skips town and this coupled with his growing frustration with the chaos he's been subjected to in Kirkwall, leads the Arishok to mount an invasion of the city. If Isabela's friend or rivalry is maxed out, she can return and attempt to placate the Arishok, but he demands she be handed over as well, which Hawke can do (if you're being cruel). Either way, Hawke eventually defeats the Arishok and is declared Champion of Kirkwall.

 

Act 3 picks up another three years later, with Hawke attempting to deal with the deteriorating crisis between the Mages and the Templars. Meredith has also become far more brutal in her crackdowns against suspected Blood Mages, not helped by her sword being revealed to have been forged from the Lyrium Idol found in the Deep Roads all those years previously, which affects her sanity. Anders has also become increasingly unstable because of the Spirit of Justice residing with in him, eventually leading him to blow up the Chantry to incite a rebellion.

 

The ending is Hawke deciding whether to support the Mages or the Templars to restore order in the city, facing off against Meredith in both cases. In the former, they attempt to prevent the Templars from enacting the Rite of Annulment and afterwards, eventually flee the city. In the latter, they become the new Viscount, but eventually are forced to leave for unclear reasons.

 

Three years later, the world is on the brink of war and Varric has been captured by the Seekers to find out more about Hawke, who wish to know the truth behind the myth. After finishing relating the tale to Cassandra (i.e. the game we've just played), she decides to let him go and is revealed to be working with Leliana, who's now working as an Agent of the Divine and also trying to stop the war.

 

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Okay, that wasn't that basic, but it's pretty much all the main plot points.

 

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Basicer

 

Prelude:  Hawke leaves Fereldan to go to Kirkwall, sibling dies on way.  Flemeth helps in return for delivering an amulet

Act 1:  Hawke goes to deep roads, finds weird idol thingy made of red lyrium.  Other sibling dies/becomes a warden/templar/circle mage.  Flemeth turns up after ritual involving amulet, acts mysterious

Act 2.  Hawke's mum is killed by blood mage.  Arishok, who is in city looking for book Isabela stole, tries to conquer Kirkwall, Hawke either kills him or gives him the book.

Act 3.  Anders blows up the Chantry, First Enchanter goes blood magey, Knight Commander goes crazy because of idol thingy that she turned into sword, Hawke kills both.



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Thank you so much for the both answers, and a special one for Sifr, because that was a well work gigantic post! Nothing left behind.

 

That will definitely satisfy any plot knowledge I might need when playing DA3.

 

Well, I don't dislike the game, I did really like the demo of the game but when I start reading everywhere how the game environment was so repetitive I decided to check various video-reviews of my trust and all they pointed out as a bad thing, was the environment and how repetitive it was, and by all the videos shown on the review I could see it.

 

They also pointed out how the city looked too empty. The lack of species on the game I take it as a less content issue and definitely not a game breaker or anything like it, but just less content(also pointed out this way in this reviews).

 

But in short, even tho I'm sure the game is great as always regarding the characters and story, I don't think I can take 24 hours of gameplay on what it seems to be 2 solo environments; the city and the outsize. I think it will turn out too repetitive for me, assuming all I've seen and read is correct.

 

Again, my thanks to both of you(your resume was the first thing I read Wulfram, a sneak  peek to put me on place!).



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if you like the DA universe you definitively should play DA2. The plot and the characters are great and the gameplay is pleasant. The environements are quite repetitive but it's not a big deal. I think that most players have been disapointed because they were expecting a game similar to DAO and DA2 is different. I've been surprised myself when I first played it, but this game is very enjoyable and it would be a shame to ignore it.

Sorry for the approximative english but I'm french^^



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DA 2 is one of my least favorite game. Played it once and have no interest in doing it again. There is the keep where you can input the information you want for the final DA-I game.

 

DA 2: You could also check it out on YouTube they have several "let's play Dragon Age 2". 



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Well,

 

Because of this post I've been checking around and I founded for 9,99€(10€) in Zavvi.es. I think it's a reasonable price so I have decide to go for it and see it for my self.

 

What a turn of events.

 

@Doloriss

 

And hey, no need to say anything about your English, I didn't thought for a second weather it was your native language or not, that should speak for its self. 

 

@Sifr

 

Too good I'm a terrible, terrible man regarding the art of remembering names. Still, I want you to know that your post did grow my interest to explore the events my self!

 

@ghostbusters101

 

Thank you for your comment, but as you can read I'm gonna go ahead and see it for my self!



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Glad to see you'll give it a try, too many people dismiss it based on bad reviews or word of mouth.

 

Yeah, It's not as good as Origins in terms of scope or being an epic, but it's a nice contained personal story and it's got some wonderful characters, which to me makes up for several reused environments, a lack of choice regarding some of the major outcomes, or being unable to venture outside of Kirkwall (until the DLC). It's got flaws, sure, but it's endeared itself to me because of the great characters.

 

If anything, you'll probably leave the game wanting to see Varric and Cassandra in Dragon Age: Inquisition afterwards.


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Glad to see you'll give it a try, too many people dismiss it based on bad reviews or word of mouth.

 

Yeah, It's not as good as Origins in terms of scope or being an epic, but it's a nice contained personal story and it's got some wonderful characters, which to me makes up for several reused environments, a lack of choice regarding some of the major outcomes, or being unable to venture outside of Kirkwall (until the DLC). It's got flaws, sure, but it's endeared itself to me because of the great characters.

 

If anything, you'll probably leave the game wanting to see Varric and Cassandra in Dragon Age: Inquisition afterwards.

 

That is one of the major problems to day,

 

People seem never to be happy with anything, always criticizing things to an extreme, violently and with a huge lack of respect. 

 

Truth be told it was specially a strong hate movement with DA 2, but as Doloriss pointed out, probably had a lot to do with the game being different and I think that the combination of that with the areas where the game loses increased its grow. Not to forget the deep hate people had for EA(I'll say such feeling have decrease over the last year and a half).

 

Likely I had rushed when I made the decision not to give it a chance back when I played Origins based on this reaction which as I said, I founded to be abnormally strong and I was back on the day quite agains EA. Good thing I left most of game media I followed which did clearly affect me back then; too many negative comments, irrelevant arrogant executive words etc to be seen every day.

 

In fact, here is a link to a blog I created about it back on the day on the old forum in case you're interested:

 

http://social.biowar...80/blog/212878/



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Well,

 

Because of this post I've been checking around and I founded for 9,99€(10€) in Zavvi.es. I think it's a reasonable price so I have decide to go for it and see it for my self.

 

What a turn of events.

 

@Doloriss

 

And hey, no need to say anything about your English, I didn't thought for a second weather it was your native language or not, that should speak for its self. 

 

@Sifr

 

Too good I'm a terrible, terrible man regarding the art of remembering names. Still, I want you to know that your post did grow my interest to explore the events my self!

 

@ghostbusters101

 

Thank you for your comment, but as you can read I'm gonna go ahead and see it for my self!

 

I didn't say I wanted to stop you nor implied it. Is this not your question:

 

" Dragon Age: Inquisition looks fantastic and I've recognize some characters from de demo of the second game. There for I would like to ask if some one could make me a resume of Dragon Age IIs events or link me to an existing threat(I've not been available to find anything on YouTube)."



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Sorry ghostbusters101. I wasn't trying to transmit that, but now that I read my words again it surely looks that way. 

 

What I meant is that I was no longer in need/interest on such since I was going to try it my self. Sorry for the comment, in fact it looks a bit rude the way it is wrote, my apologizes.


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I'm happy you give it a try :) Please, share your thoughts about your experience ;) 


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I'm happy you give it a try :) Please, share your thoughts about your experience ;)

I've just come back from an expedition!

 

Well, so far I'm loving it and although I've seen the reused environments it is not nearly as bad as any one has claim to be. 

 

I'll come back ones I finish the game to be sure I avoid any spoilers.


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Yeah, Dragon Age 2 improves on like 70% of Dragon Age Origins and of the 30% that's worse only like 10-15% of it really matters -- things like the repeated environments and waves of enemies.  After finishing Dragon Age my immediate thought was "That was a chore, I have zero desire to play it again" though I would have been willing to replay Awakening if I didn't have to go through Origins again.

 

After finishing Dragon Age 2 as a mage my immediate thought was "That was fun, I want to play it again as a rogue with different companions."  Which I immediately did and I even started a third playthrough as a warrior after finishing the rogue though that got a bit stalled due to RL issues.

 

Edit: I only play on Nightmare, which is arguably one of the main reasons I wasn't thrilled with Origins because the combat system is awful.  Dragon Age 2 still has sub-par combat but it's light-years ahead of Origins.



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The biggest problem of Dragon Age 2 is it's name. If it would have been like...Dragon Age: Champion, or Dragon Age: Rebellion, it would have been reseved much better. People expected to have a game that was more like DA:Origins. Changes were not accepted. Game was different from Origins in so many ways (and changing engine at that point would have been a great idea too...).

 

When I resently dusted my DA2 and made several new playthroughs I was more in the game than ever before. Time had made it's magic. Now I can see DA2 is a good game with some flaws, story is really good and writing is so damn exellent.

 

Of course, I have changed. After playing MMO-grindfests 'till my fingers fell off, I don't even notice that some environments were re-used, or that Hawke can't take a leak without being attacked by teleporting bandits. I'm much more tolerant for flaws in games than before, if the game still offers me something I really like. Legacy-dlc is definitely one of the best dlc I have ever played...right there with the Lair of the Shadow Broker.



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For quite some time, Zubi, I was like you.

 

I'd heard a veritable stream of unending criticism for DA2. That combined with the fact that a new protagonist was involved and not a continuation of my Warden's story kept me from playing it until just a few months ago.

 

I was dumbfounded by how much I enjoyed it and how much I had wrongly attached myself to the trappings of Origins. I can't guarantee you will enjoy the entirety of it, but I'm happy you decided to play it and form your own opinion rather than relying on others.

 

DA2 has many aspects and many characters I enjoy more than those in Origins, and after a slew of content I did not like (Awakenings, Amgarrak, Witch Hunt), it restored my love of the setting and then some.



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What did you hate about Awakening?

 

I liked DA2 myself, but Awakening's story( which takes about 6-10 hours ) is better than DA2's ( which has 30 hours of content )



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What did you hate about Awakening?

 

I liked DA2 myself, but Awakening's story( which takes about 6-10 hours ) is better than DA2's ( which has 30 hours of content )

 

We disagree here.

 

I hated Awakening's story.

 

I liked other aspects about it. I liked rune-crafting, some of the additional abilities (especially for Dual Wielding Weapons), and some of the equipment.

 

But the story...there was nothing there I enjoyed. Not the Mother nor the Architect, not the story behind them or the choice given to the Warden-Commander near the tale's conclusion.

 

I prefer DA2's story tenfold over Awakening's. But that's a conversation we should have in PMs or a different thread. :)



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So refreshing to see ppl actually post about there enjoyment of DA2 :D



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I've said all along that DA2 is a fine game. 

EA/BioWare could have saved themselves an enormous amount of flak if they'd simply named it:

"Dragon Age: Champion of Kirkwall", instead of "Dragon Age 2".



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I played 2 first and then, on the strength of Alistair, went on to play O. Excited about the upcoming Inquis.



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I heard rumors Hawke was supposed to be the inquisitor in DA3, but due to the fans complaining about him being locked as human and DA2 in general that got scraped.



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Well, after more than 74h of game I finish it(A couple of moths playing)! 

 

What to say... Last time I take serious peoples complains. I've truly enjoy the game thank you for encourage me to play it. Never the less all of that over reaction I'm sure its been key for the new Dragon Age to look so good and to give a very needed slap on face to EA in regards of development time.

 

I only hate that I want to know what happens next! Unlike on Origins, the end(or on my case) is quite open, what happens to Hawke and your friends its quite left to the unknown and I'm all fine if I discover it on Inquisition.

 

But it has feel awkward to hear about "the hero of Ferelden" and specially to interact with the which of the wilds, as it seemed too connected with my "me" on Origins. On the other hand I did like to see Alistar and have the little chat.

 

I like the idea of character change as its different from Mass Effect, but this interactions between there content sort of take me out of place as it connects two "me".

 

I understand going back to the "origins" part of the characters has its more reach for the game and of course I'm all in for that as it must be one of the best options ever when replaying a video game, not to mention the freedom for the player.

 

I just hope that in case you chose to be a human you can be Hawke, I'll love to continue this journey.  

 

PD: I have the ultimate edition of Dragon Age: Origins, so I've play thru all the DLCs(for the part I mention about the endings above).


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We already know that you *cannot* be Hawke. (Or The Warden, for that matter.)

BioWare has told us many times that, "Those stories are over."
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