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[Grieving Natashina]

*Slaps back.

You are an evil person.  I can tell you from experience that a slap on a fresh tattoo hurts much more.

 

I don't think Sera's reaction to Cole is strange at all.  Hell, just look at some of the people on this forum.  I thought Justice in Awakenings was really fascinating, and would have loved to be able to speak with him more - but a lot of players thought he was creepy and dangerous and had no interest in even recruiting him.  They pretty much wrote off Anders as an abomination from the moment they met him and would have preferred to have nothing to do with him.  They don't even consider letting the Architect or Avernus live.  I think these attitudes are pretty in keeping with the way most of Thedas (with Big Scary Tevinter being the notable exception) thinks.  Most of Thedas even think mages themselves are scary - a demon or spirit?  Even worse.

 

I understand it's disappointing when a character you think you'll love has such a 'common' view, but it is common.  And the game devs have made several mentions of the relationships between characters seeing their own development, which to me hints that Sera could eventually come around (much like the Tali/Legion situation).

That's what I'm hoping for as well.  I do love Sera, but I can't hold her against her that she doesn't like or trust Cole.  If anything, it's pretty realistic in terms of the setting; it seems logical that a common gal from Thedas would be wary, if not scared, of someone/something like Cole.  However, as you pointed out, there is the possibility that trust and acceptance will be gained.  As per your example, one of the best parts of the ME series was watching Tali accept Legion.*

 

_{*For those that didn't play the ME games: Without spoiling too much, Tali's race created Legion's and the two of them have been at war off and on for 300 years.  Throughout the course of ME2 and ME3, you can work to broker a peace between the two races.  Tali goes from calling Legion an "It" in a really dismissive and angry way to calling him an ally.}

[Zellya]

Yay~! page 100~!

 

[sandalisthemaker]

Wow, of all the characters I would have expected to never want to talk to Cole, and also refer to him as "it", Sera would most certainly not have been my guess.

 

Interesting to see what the others think. He is creepy, but I'm starting to see that as a good thing, character-wise.

 

For roleplaying purposes, I will have Inquisitors who will not trust Cole at all and who will try to banish/eliminate him if possible, and others who will give him a chance and potentially treat him like a younger brother. 

[Fialka]

I can understand that view. I take a more chaotic approach to things than a lot of people are comfortable with. My view of the veil tears, for example, is more 'I wonder why this is happening and what the implications are' than an automatic 'we have to stop this as soon as possible'. I'm always willing to take the 'poke it with a stick and see what happens.. FOR SCIENCE' approach. I can understand the obvious pros for taking the safer approach. I don't really like dealing in objectivity. I don't believe in a "right" approach to most situations. I can respect taking the safer approach, but I'm going to often act against it when the ball is in my court, so to say, just on issues of personal preference.    

Yeah, exactly. Granted, part of it is the fact that it is a game - unlike reality, I can get away with choosing the slightly darker gray of two options because I want to see what will happen.  I'll never go the straight EVIL route, because it's just not something i can justify, and tbh I find it a bit boring.  Yes, i'll get all those fade tears closed, because I hate the idea of all those people dying as a result.  But in the meantime, since the tears exist, and it's an opportunity, I'll learn everything i can from the situation.

 

Where it relates to Cole - yes he has the potential to be dangerous.  but he also has to potential to teach us about the nature of spirits, and demons, and how their existence potentially relates to the Fade and the Maker (or maker, if you will...)  I see it as far more dangerous to ignore the opportunity to learn more.  Knowledge is power, as the cliche goes.

 

Also, I think Cole is cute. Creepy cute, but still. Am definitely in the 'he needs a hug' camp.

[KirstyLionheart]

Happy page 100

The thread did crawl here, but here it is!

[Faerah]

Happy page 100

The thread did crawl here, but here it is!

Well, it crawled until the past couple of days, lol. Speaking of which I wonder if tomorrow will be a third Cole thing? Like a video with his voice actor...Ok ok that's asking a lot. I don't want to seem ungrateful for the unexpected reveal and interview. 

[fighterchick]

Well, it crawled until the past couple of days, lol. Speaking of which I wonder if tomorrow will be a third Cole thing? Like a video with his voice actor...Ok ok that's asking a lot. I don't want to seem ungrateful for the unexpected reveal and interview. 

 

Aren't the voice actor reveals a little random?  Aside from the Iron Bull and Varric, have we gotten any others?  If so, I definitely missed them. 

[MCG]

So finally he has been revealed, my God he looks so interesting and definitely a under-dog of the reveals, I can see him becoming one of the most popular around. There's definitely something uncomfortable about him, but he's also quite interesting, definitely a member of my main party.

[Grieving Natashina]

Aren't the voice actor reveals a little random?  Aside from the Iron Bull and Varric, have we gotten any others?  If so, I definitely missed them. 

Other than a few members of the returning cast (like Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric and Cullen,) IB is the only one that has had their VA revealed.  Oh and that Alix Wilton Regan (the voice of Samatha Traynor in ME3) is going to be one of the fem Inquisitor voices.

[fighterchick]

I never understood exactly the relationship between demons possessing people and the actual person.  So, the demon exists still in the fade and technically controls the other person.  Like...In DAO, you could fight Connor and the desire demon would appear as him and you'd fight the demon as thought it were present in a physical sense, but then after the fight, it transformed back into Connor.  Does the demon have some sort of physical manifestation aside from the body it possesses in the "real world" (game world in this case, lol) or is it just an illusion created or gameplay mechanics...

 

I'm curious because I'm wondering how that related to Cole as well.  From what I remember from Asunder, they never found the original body that was the person Cole-so, is Cole now a physical presence in our world with the old body, or just an illusion presented by the demon/spirit that now possesses him?  Or is he some walking magical corpse like Justice was in Awakening?  He doesn't seem to be decomposing.  While he certainly looks a little strange, he doesn't appear to be dead, or a walking corpse.  

 

Or is the answer just simply "because magic".

[fighterchick]

Other than a few members of the returning cast (like Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric and Cullen,) IB is the only one that has had their VA revealed.  Oh and that Alix Wilton Regan (the voice of Samatha Traynor in ME3) is going to be one of the fem Inquisitor voices.

 

I meant more in terms of the videos.  I saw one for Morrigan's VA, Varric's VA, and IB's VA.  Have there been any for Cassandra or Cullen, or are you just saying we already know those VAs because it's the same ones from past games?

[Grieving Natashina]

I meant more in terms of the videos.  I saw one for Morrigan's VA, Varric's VA, and IB's VA.  Have there been any for Cassandra or Cullen, or are you just saying we already know those VAs because it's the same ones from past games?

The latter.  I haven't seen any Cullen or Cassandra vids, but I'm sure their fan threads will have them up if/when they are available.

 

Getting back onto topic, I wonder which male VAs would be good for someone like Cole.  What kind of voice do you guys think he'll have?  I think it'll be pretty soft and a little hoarse from lack of use.  Probably lower pitched, though not as low as Varric or IB.

[GVulture]

We have an Alistair/Steve Valentine video too... not that there is any new Alistair footage with it.

 

And twitter-verse has rumors of a Greg Ellis/Cullen video that is waiting to be released. Probably waiting for the NPC videos... Unless those are the filler videos in between the main cast ones.

 

As for Cole... I am interested to see if he is gonna be Justice in reverse. Where we see the spirit go from despair to hope. There is so much potential chaos there. I am interested to see him in the party. Though I would've pegged Varric for one of the wary ones, considering he was around for Justice's descent into Vengeance.

[godModeAlpha]

I never understood exactly the relationship between demons possessing people and the actual person.  So, the demon exists still in the fade and technically controls the other person.  Like...In DAO, you could fight Connor and the desire demon would appear as him and you'd fight the demon as thought it were present in a physical sense, but then after the fight, it transformed back into Connor.  Does the demon have some sort of physical manifestation aside from the body it possesses in the "real world" (game world in this case, lol) or is it just an illusion created or gameplay mechanics...
 
I'm curious because I'm wondering how that related to Cole as well.  From what I remember from Asunder, they never found the original body that was the person Cole-so, is Cole now a physical presence in our world with the old body, or just an illusion presented by the demon/spirit that now possesses him?  Or is he some walking magical corpse like Justice was in Awakening?  He doesn't seem to be decomposing.  While he certainly looks a little strange, he doesn't appear to be dead, or a walking corpse.  
 
Or is the answer just simply "because magic".

Demons don't have to poses a body to exist in the human realm. From my understanding the fade is like a dream and cannot manifest ... But the at the same time we can see opposite occurring in DA:I.

I find it confusing too, for example in DA:O kitty was possessed, but the demon was not fought in the fade.

[KirstyLionheart]

Well, it crawled until the past couple of days, lol. Speaking of which I wonder if tomorrow will be a third Cole thing? Like a video with his voice actor...Ok ok that's asking a lot. I don't want to seem ungrateful for the unexpected reveal and interview. 

 

Yeah before, if I left this thread for a day, we'd be lucky if it even moved a page. Since his reveal, the thread has invitied fresh speculation and viewpoints, even some people who have changed their minds about Cole. It's so nice having a lot more people that are interested in him and genuinely care (:

And oh maker.. an interview would be amazing.. I can't wait to find out who voices Cole! But I fear we'll have to wait a while for that yet

 

Ok well going to watch the boyfriend crap his pants playing Outlast, then it's bedtime for me. Goodnight thread (:

[fighterchick]

Demons don't have to poses a body to exist in the human realm. From my understanding the fade is like a dream and cannot manifest ... But the at the same time we can see opposite occurring in DA:I.

I find it confusing too, for example in DA:O kitty was possessed, but the demon was not fought in the fade.

 

I know that they can possess a variety of things and exist without possessing something where the veil is thin, but in that case, don't they normally appear as what they look like in the Fade?  Like the demon in the Circle from origins, but Cole doesn't look like that.  He looks like I imagine the original Cole looked like.  Is there another example of a demon not looking like a demon while not possessing something?  I can't think of any, so I'm just wondering what Cole is exactly.  A demon/spirit that can take on the appearance of whatever in our world without possession, possession of a person that was alive, but now is a demon/spirit, or some weird corpse thing.

[Josh902]

After todays Q&A with Cole ive bumped him up to a in my party alot. He seems like hes gonna be very interesting as i havent read Asunder .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Happy Page 100!

[GVulture]

I know that they can possess a variety of things and exist without possessing something where the veil is thin, but in that case, don't they normally appear as what they look like in the Fade?  Like the demon in the Circle from origins, but Cole doesn't look like that.  He looks like I imagine the original Cole looked like.  Is there another example of a demon not looking like a demon while not possessing something?  I can't think of any, so I'm just wondering what Cole is exactly.  A demon/spirit that can take on the appearance of whatever in our world without possession, possession of a person that was alive, but now is a demon/spirit, or some weird corpse thing.

The demons in the Circle were summoned directly from the Fade. They weren't possessing anyone to cross over. They were brought in their original forms and THEN started running amok.

 

Kitty was trapped in that prison and at some point... one assumes she possessed the cat. Or the cat was just a form the desire demon took to entice the little girl. Since "Kitty" was in the prison, not shifting from the Fade... "she" was in whatever form she desired.

 

It COULD be that only desire demons have that form shifting ability... makes sense as a desire demon...

 

Every other demonic/spirit possession we have seen required a medium for the demon to cross over. Trees, people, animals, etc. Justice was shoved into Kristoffs body and that was his original conduit into the real world. Then he rode Anders. Maker knows what he is doing now.

 

That is why the Veil Tear is so dangerous. Demons don't need vessels to cross over anymore because they can pour through the tears like they did at Kinlochhold and Soldier's Peak.

[Morroian]

I definitely need to read Asunder and the other novels before Inquisition comes out.

 

Vivienne blows. I already disliked her, but after hearing about her attitude towards Cole, I am now firmly convinced that she will be the first companion to fall by the way side.

 

She's a circle mage she was never going to be any different. Sera is the one who is more of a surprise.

[GVulture]

I definitely need to read Asunder and the other novels before Inquisition comes out.

 

Vivienne blows. I already disliked her, but after hearing about her attitude towards Cole, I am now firmly convinced that she will be the first companion to fall by the way side.

You really do. You might change your mind a bit.

[Faerah]

I definitely need to read Asunder and the other novels before Inquisition comes out.

 

Vivienne blows. I already disliked her, but after hearing about her attitude towards Cole, I am now firmly convinced that she will be the first companion to fall by the way side.

While I obviously fully promote reading Asunder, if you want info a little quicker/don't mind spoilers, check out the spoiler tag at the bottom of the first post of this thread. 

[GVulture]

Seconded. Though, I would point out that it is a bit... silly to condemn a character for how they MIGHT feel about another companion when you know next to nothing about either one.

[Maria Caliban]

The more I look at him, the creepier he is.

I wonder what his voice will be like. I can imagine them playing up the 'little boy lost' aspect of him with a very young and innocent sounding voice. I don't think we've seen that in a male performance for a BioWare game.