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[BlueFlame527]

On the subject of how Cole thinks is there any proof that Cole's mentality matures? So far it seems like his way of thinking and his ability to grasp at concepts such as good and evil seems to be progressing. Is it possible that as he experiences more could his mind catch up to how he physically appears? Maybe the subject of his mentality is that he really thinks he is 12 year old Cole and later on he grows out of that way of thinking.

[KirstyLionheart]

Spirit can't die. He would only be sent back to the fade.

Hence the quotation marks

[Kisari]

On the subject of how Cole thinks is there any proof that Cole's mentality matures? So far it seems like his way of thinking and his ability to grasp at concepts such as good and evil seems to be progressing. Is it possible that as he experiences more could his mind catch up to how he physically appears? Maybe the subject of his mentality is that he really thinks he is 12 year old Cole and later on he grows out of that way of thinking.

All we know from Patrick is that Cole has changed since Asunder.

I see no reason why not. Reading the interview and his bio on the site is enough to prove that he is growing and learning and beginning to understand the human world.

[Faerah]

Fan art by westerbroski

(click on the link if you need context, already posted that comic earlier in the thread)

[Zellya]

Andrastian and the people of thadus believe spirits and souls are two different things. In the black mash quest, no one said people spirit's were trapped in the fade, they said people souls were trapped in the fade. And with the amount of time we see spirits reanimate dead bodies( 2 with the persons ego intact) it point to the fact Yavana reanimated the guy by putting a fade spirit in his body.

 

I don't recall anyone in the game or otherwise making a clear distinction and saying "In this world we NEVER refer to a soul as a spirit". If there's a codex entry saying this, you'll have to direct me to it. As for your reference to Blackmarsh, just because that's the wording they chose in that instance does not mean the wording couldn't be different in another. In fact, it could even be surmised that that choice of wording was chosen specifically because Justice, a fade spirit was playing a part and the writers didn't want to cause confusion. I should also mention that the event in the comic is not the same as what happened with Wynne. The body was in no way brought back from death, Yavana only returned the soul/spirit to consciousness so that they could speak with it. More to the point, if Yavana was just grabbing a random spirit for the sake of a revival, she would not have used the words "His spirit lingers in the fade" to describe her actions. Also in her threat she does use the word soul: "Tell me, or I will let maggots eat your essence as they eat your flesh, and protect only enough of your soul to keep you aware." 

 

But this is getting off topic, if you want to debate this with me more send me a pm :3

[Omikuji]

On the subject of how Cole thinks is there any proof that Cole's mentality matures? So far it seems like his way of thinking and his ability to grasp at concepts such as good and evil seems to be progressing. Is it possible that as he experiences more could his mind catch up to how he physically appears? Maybe the subject of his mentality is that he really thinks he is 12 year old Cole and later on he grows out of that way of thinking.

From the interview, it certainly seems like he will be maturing simply because of the reveal at the end of the book. Even the last chapter where he returns to Lambert, he seemed to have had a heel face turn in how he acts and the amount of confidence he carried when he said he was no longer going to be helpless. 

 

So I would not put it past him to become more of an adult who begins to understand things more throughout the game, and because it's in the hands of PW that means we have a different writer on board for how he develops.

 

Which comes along to my musing before, with the new writer saying that he's done with the Asunder arc of his life and is moving forward, that sort of impression leads me to believe he can become more then he was before in many ways. That includes the understanding of a relationship and what that means. He may start as a child like mindset when it was Asunder, and the idea of Asunder Cole being in a relationship is not a good one to be pining for. But this isn't going to be Asunder Cole, he's growing up. Now I want to stress that it's simply speculation because characters do change over time and we don't know how this Cole is other then he's trying to do right.

 

 

I'd also figure just him going outside more and seeing different people rather than hiding away like he used to lets him learn. And with learning comes growth.

[Chernaya]

Depending on how much time has passed from the book (I haven't read it so I'm not sure), in my opinion it would make sense that he's matured. Of course a spirit at first will have what we perceive as a childlike way of thinking because they aren't in their natural environment and don't know how this world works, but I'm sure they can learn as time goes on just as easily as anyone else.

[KirstyLionheart]

Depending on how much time has passed from the book (I haven't read it so I'm not sure), in my opinion it would make sense that he's matured. Of course a spirit at first will have what we perceive as a childlike way of thinking because they aren't in their natural environment and don't know how this world works, but I'm sure they can learn as time goes on just as easily as anyone else.

 

And in the process of him "learning", we might stumble across him trying on lady hats. Totally oblivious.

Awwh..

[Meeszy Alexy]

Fan art by westerbroski

(click on the link if you need context, already posted that comic earlier in the thread)

Beat me to it again! I was taking a break from this thread to do some chores, and saw this on tumblr. I was so ready to post this, only for you to beat me. Well done, you.

 

Anyway though, he looks so adorable in this gif, with his silly hat. He looks so proud of his ridiculous hat, it warms my heart.

[BlueFlame527]

From the interview, it certainly seems like he will be maturing simply because of the reveal at the end of the book. Even the last chapter where he returns to Lambert, he seemed to have had a heel face turn in how he acts and the amount of confidence he carried when he said he was no longer going to be helpless. 

 

So I would not put it past him to become more of an adult who begins to understand things more throughout the game, and because it's in the hands of PW that means we have a different writer on board for how he develops.

 

Which comes along to my musing before, with the new writer saying that he's done with the Asunder arc of his life and is moving forward, that sort of impression leads me to believe he can become more then he was before in many ways. That includes the understanding of a relationship and what that means. He may start as a child like mindset when it was Asunder, and the idea of Asunder Cole being in a relationship is not a good one to be pining for. But this isn't going to be Asunder Cole, he's growing up. Now I want to stress that it's simply speculation because characters do change over time and we don't know how this Cole is other then he's trying to do right.

 

 

I'd also figure just him going outside more and seeing different people rather than hiding away like he used to lets him learn. And with learning comes growth.

Yea I agree about the fact that Cole is most likely not going to have a developed enough mentality to have a relationship with. It just seems now that Cole is becoming more independent as events go and developing his own morals. I wonder how fragile his morals are though. I could see him as the type to attack the inquisitor if he/she just starts killing people with little sentimentality though the fact he has joined the inquisition means that he is willing to make the fade tear situation his top priority.

[Grieving Natashina]

Is it weird that I still love Sera, but I've also been wanting to meet Cole?  Sera's mistrust of Cole if anything could leave room for character growth on both of their parts.  It's gonna take a lot to convince Sera that Cole isn't going to hurt her/the party, but I think the reward will be worth it.

 

Funny thing is, I have little interest in romancing either of them.  It just feels like two potential friends started fighting in front of me.  I'll probably get some chances to go, "Okay, you both are right.   Now knock it off."   At least I hope so; I like Sera and Cole for completely different reasons.

 

<hugs to the thread> I love Sera, I like Cole and I look forward to seeing them both.  If anything, Sera mistrusting Cole makes complete and total sense.  As long as she doesn't try to kill him, I'm fine with her distrusting Cole.

 

 Vivienne...yeah, she'd better not try to banish Cole in front of my Quizzy.    Sera's mistrust is understandable, and it sounds like she'll largely try to avoid Cole.  Vivienne wants to banish him, which yeah...over my dead Quizzy's body.  If for no other reason than Vivi banishing Cole would mean one less ally in the fight against the Veil Tears.

[Faerah]

Is it weird that I still love Sera, but I've also been wanting to meet Cole?  Sera's mistrust of Cole if anything could leave room for character growth on both of their parts.  It's gonna take a lot to convince Sera that Cole isn't going to hurt her/the party, but I think the reward will be worth it.

 

Funny thing is, I have little interest in romancing either of them.  It just feels like two potential friends started fighting in front of me.  I'll probably get some chances to go, "Okay, you both are right.   Now knock it off."   At least I hope so; I like Sera and Cole for completely different reasons.

 

<hugs to the thread> I love Sera, I like Cole and I look forward to seeing them both.  If anything, Sera mistrusting Cole makes complete and total sense.  As long as she doesn't try to kill him, I'm fine with her distrusting Cole.

 

 Vivienne...yeah, she'd better not try to banish Cole in front of my Quizzy.    Sera's mistrust is understandable, and it sounds like she'll largely try to avoid Cole.  Vivienne wants to banish him, which yeah...over my dead Quizzy's body.  If for no other reason than Vivi banishing Cole would mean one less ally in the fight against the Veil Tears.

I can understand both of their responses to be honest. Demons are terrifying, especially to the normal residents of Thedas. So Sera reacting to him in that way makes sense but I really hope they eventually come to terms. If they didn't, it would be such a waste since they apparently fight for the same reasons.

 

Vivienne also makes sense, she's a political animal. It's like that saying how politicians shouldn't get caught and photographed with alcohol. It's not inherently bad, but to your political enemies it could be used against you. It would be sort of sad if Vivienne actually didn't mind Cole, or even liked him, but still wanted to banish him for her own selfish political reasons.

[Kisari]

Is it weird that I still love Sera, but I've also been wanting to meet Cole?  Sera's mistrust of Cole if anything could leave room for character growth on both of their parts.  It's gonna take a lot to convince Sera that Cole isn't going to hurt her/the party, but I think the reward will be worth it.

 

Funny thing is, I have little interest in romancing either of them.  It just feels like two potential friends started fighting in front of me.  I'll probably get some chances to go, "Okay, you both are right.   Now knock it off."   At least I hope so; I like Sera and Cole for completely different reasons.

 

<hugs to the thread> I love Sera, I like Cole and I look forward to seeing them both.  If anything, Sera mistrusting Cole makes complete and total sense.  As long as she doesn't try to kill him, I'm fine with her distrusting Cole.

 

 Vivienne...yeah, she'd better not try to banish Cole in front of my Quizzy.    Sera's mistrust is understandable, and it sounds like she'll largely try to avoid Cole.  Vivienne wants to banish him, which yeah...over my dead Quizzy's body.  If for no other reason than Vivi banishing Cole would mean one less ally in the fight against the Veil Tears.

I was surprised by her reaction but I don't hate her for it either. I understand it, and am interested to see if/how much character development will go towards this.

It's definitely good to keep an open mind as we have not played the game yet and there is much we don't know. ^^

[Cespar]

I really love character development, I do, but  I hope he still has a little of the Asunder Cole in him. I get that he matured, but we all came to like the Asunder Cole, and I hope to see him grow a little more in the game. Basically, I want to meet the Cole that became my favorite character in the Dragon Age series, before he left the birds nest lol. 

 

 

Ok, maybe he is my second favorite in the series. Varric holds the title for my favorite, lol.

Modifié par Cespar, 25 juin 2014 - 11:57 .

[The Elder King]

Is it weird that I still love Sera, but I've also been wanting to meet Cole?  Sera's mistrust of Cole if anything could leave room for character growth on both of their parts.  It's gonna take a lot to convince Sera that Cole isn't going to hurt her/the party, but I think the reward will be worth it.
 
Funny thing is, I have little interest in romancing either of them.  It just feels like two potential friends started fighting in front of me.  I'll probably get some chances to go, "Okay, you both are right.   Now knock it off."   At least I hope so; I like Sera and Cole for completely different reasons.
 
<hugs to the thread> I love Sera, I like Cole and I look forward to seeing them both.  If anything, Sera mistrusting Cole makes complete and total sense.  As long as she doesn't try to kill him, I'm fine with her distrusting Cole.
 
 Vivienne...yeah, she'd better not try to banish Cole in front of my Quizzy.    Sera's mistrust is understandable, and it sounds like she'll largely try to avoid Cole.  Vivienne wants to banish him, which yeah...over my dead Quizzy's body.  If for no other reason than Vivi banishing Cole would mean one less ally in the fight against the Veil Tears.

I don't think it's weird. I'm in the same spot, and it'a not the first time in DAI either, with the IB/Varric relationship.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't think it's weird. I'm in the same spot, and it'a not the first time in DAI either, with the IB/Varric relationship.

Forgive the brief derail, but IB/Varric aren't supposed to get along?  Did I miss something?

[Mr.House]

I'm happy Sera and Cole don't get along, I don't want everyone to get along, or atl eats right away. I want their to be conflict and friction with the group. A group that has no inner conflict or friction is simply uninteresting imo.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm happy Sera and Cole don't get along, I don't want everyone to get along, or atl eats right away. I want their to be conflict and friction with the group. A group that has no inner conflict or friction is simply uninteresting imo.

I think back to Morrigan/Wynne or Morrigan/Leliana and I agree.  It would just be immersion breaking if everyone was hunky-dory with each other right away.

[Faerah]

Fan art by frafi

[LobselVith8]

Is it weird that I still love Sera, but I've also been wanting to meet Cole?  Sera's mistrust of Cole if anything could leave room for character growth on both of their parts.  It's gonna take a lot to convince Sera that Cole isn't going to hurt her/the party, but I think the reward will be worth it.

 

I don't think it's weird. There's nothing strange about liking two characters who may not like one another. As for character growth, I've said before that I think it's a strong possibility. It worked out for Isabela and Aveline - rivals at first, and then very good friends towards the end of the narrative.

 

Funny thing is, I have little interest in romancing either of them.  It just feels like two potential friends started fighting in front of me.  I'll probably get some chances to go, "Okay, you both are right.   Now knock it off."   At least I hope so; I like Sera and Cole for completely different reasons.

 

<hugs to the thread> I love Sera, I like Cole and I look forward to seeing them both.  If anything, Sera mistrusting Cole makes complete and total sense.  As long as she doesn't try to kill him, I'm fine with her distrusting Cole.

 

How do you think your Inquisitor is going to react to Cole being a spirit?

 

Forgive the brief derail, but IB/Varric aren't supposed to get along?  Did I miss something?

 

It was mentioned that Iron Bull's support of the Qun would rub Varric the wrong way, because of what transpired in Kirkwall.

[Grieving Natashina]

My Quizzy?  Probably with caution and a little distrust at first.  She wouldn't turn down a potential ally, even one that looks as otherworldly as Cole does.  She would not going to start hugging him right away or anything like that; she would shake his hand though.  As a dwarf Quizzy, she would automatically be pretty leery of any spirit, good or otherwise.  She will be full of questions, and I'll be taking any chances I can to talk to Cole and get to know him better.  

 

That's about all I can figure at this point; I'm going to be trying to meta-game as little as possible, so I can fully RP my choices the first time I play.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm happy Sera and Cole don't get along, I don't want everyone to get along, or atl eats right away. I want their to be conflict and friction with the group. A group that has no inner conflict or friction is simply uninteresting imo.

I agree. It makes them feel real to me. That being said, I still would like the option to shout down a companion that p!sses me off. Fenris and Anders being cruel to Merrill really irritated me. I would have liked an option to deck them both.

[Omikuji]

I have no interest in romancing anyone at the moment (I have to see how well they gell with my Inquisitor before I decide anything like that). Mainly because I want to have it more team of friends and my Inquisitor having good friends he can turn to and all the while the companions being able to trust each other to have each others back. Mind you with Inquisitor first one, my second one is all work no play.

 

While I completely understand Seras reaction to Cole, I don't approve of it when it comes to the construct of the team. Even if she is capable of growing like everyone else is, and changing her opinion on Cole, that first impression automatically makes me think she'll be a risk to the safety of the team if she's unable to get past her personal opinions and it affects her judgement. What I have seen of her I haven't personally been too interested in just by a character blurb we have of her (I've never been a fan of 'trouble makers' ) and it does make me interested to see how she acts around Cole since... well, apparently she's a fan of people who try. And Coles all about trying. 

 

I don't see her as bullying as some I have seen claim it, my Inquisitor just won't tolerate a teammate who doesn't want to work in the team. He wants friends dangit.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Forgive the brief derail, but IB/Varric aren't supposed to get along?  Did I miss something?

Varric doesn't like Qunari for what the Arishok and his soldiers did to Kirkwall in DA2. 

[Grieving Natashina]

It was mentioned that Iron Bull's support of the Qun would rub Varric the wrong way, because of what transpired in Kirkwall.

 

Varric doesn't like Qunari for what the Arishok and his soldiers did to Kirkwall in DA2. 

Okay, that's pretty much what I figured.  Thanks guys.