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#2926
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Varric was pretty much a sweetheart to everybody except Sebastian. Even his relationship with Carver felt more like familiar teasing than actual dislike.

You mean Varric protrayed himself as a Marty Stu that got along with everyone? *laughs evilly*



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You mean Varric protrayed himself as a Marty Stu that got along with everyone? *laughs evilly*

Well we did have that mansion shoot out part :P



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You mean Varric protrayed himself as a Marty Stu that got along with everyone? *laughs evilly*

 

Ha, fair point!



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If Cole lays a finger on Scribe Girl he'll be sent back to the Fade in pieces, though.


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If Cole lays a finger on Scribe Girl he'll be sent back to the Fade in pieces, though.

Wtf, Sandybear? Since when are you a Scribbles fan?



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Well we did have that mansion shoot out part :P

Did you mean... best gag in the game?



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Hanako Ikezawa

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If Cole lays a finger on Scribe Girl he'll be sent back to the Fade in pieces, though.

Good Sandal. Here's a salamander. :P


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#2933
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Wtf, Sandybear? Since when are you a Scribbles fan?

 

She looks so FABULOUS.



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She looks so FABULOUS.

Down, boy. Don't hurt poor, innocent Cole! :crying:


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If Cole lays a finger on Scribe Girl he'll be sent back to the Fade in pieces, though.

What was Scribles was up to no good?



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What was Scribles was up to no good?

 

That is a possibility, I suppose.

 

If she truly ends up doing something awful/betraying the Inquisition, then I just might have to allow Cole to do it....

 

But I would mourn the loss of such fabulousness.

 

Edit:

 

Actually, no.  I would not appreciate Cole taking the initiative in this scenario.  If there is a problem within the Inquisition's ranks, I feel that it is the Inquisitor's job to handle the situation.  Cole would be stepping out of line if he actually does this in game.


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That is a possibility, I suppose.

 

If she truly ends up doing something awful/betraying the Inquisition, then I just might have to allow Cole to do it....

 

But I would mourn the loss of such fabulousness.

 

Edit:

 

Actually, no.  I would not appreciate Cole taking the initiative in this scenario.  If there is a problem within the Inquisition's ranks, I feel that it is the Inquisitor's job to handle the situation.  Cole would be stepping out of line if he actually does this in game.

 

I agree. In my brother's first run through Mass Effect, Ashely shot Wrex (because my brother didn't believe in speechcraft or sidequests) and we were both furious that she'd take the initiative like that. Now, if we gave Cole the okay... [RAISES EYEBROW] That could be an interesting situation. Are we using Cole to keep our own hands clean? How would Cole feel about being ordered to kill someone who might have been a friend? How would the rest of the Inquisition feel?

 

Oh dear, now I really want to have that happen. Think of the roleplaying possibilities!


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I agree. In my brother's first run through Mass Effect, Ashely shot Wrex (because my brother didn't believe in speechcraft or sidequests) and we were both furious that she'd take the initiative like that. Now, if we gave Cole the okay... [RAISES EYEBROW] That could be an interesting situation. Are we using Cole to keep our own hands clean? How would Cole feel about being ordered to kill someone who might have been a friend? How would the rest of the Inquisition feel?

 

Oh dear, now I really want to have that happen. Think of the roleplaying possibilities!

 

That would be interesting, although if such a scenario were to take place, and things got intricate and involved in such a way, I would first want to question Scribbles before judging, 


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Vivienne...yeah, she'd better not try to banish Cole in front of my Quizzy. :angry:    Sera's mistrust is understandable, and it sounds like she'll largely try to avoid Cole.  Vivienne wants to banish him, which yeah...over my dead Quizzy's body.  If for no other reason than Vivi banishing Cole would mean one less ally in the fight against the Veil Tears.

Those affectionate nicknames... WTF. "Quizzy"?



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Down, boy. Don't hurt poor, innocent Cole! :crying:

Colenites unite! ...Sorry I couldn't help myself  :P


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#2941
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Cole is the best character so far next to the sexy Dorian beard hottie.



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I think I'll give Cole a bow and call him dead eye to amuse myself with the pun

Edit: You could say he's always dead on

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I am unconvinced of this mission of redemption it's being accepted that Cole is on (let alone convinced it's stopped killing children at all; it can make people forget mind you), but I'll humor it. Let's say this monster really does want to make an effort to make up for its past transgressions? Does it change them?

 

Just to put the idea into perspective, how about we use another character guilty of taking advantage of the defenseless: Sir Alrik. Let's say he somehow survives his encounter with Hawke, and emerged from his brush with death a changed man. Seeking to right all the wrongs in the world. Remember he assaulted tranquil mages repeatedly, rationalizing his atrocities because they did not resist. Much in the same way Coles victims did not resist.

 

Does Alrik get the same pardon? In this example, he genuinely just wants to help now and only that. He still doesn't get a pass from me. And neither does Cole.

 

I will say, it's a role-playing game and the character I'll be playing likely won't have any indication of what Cole did in the Circle. With that being the case, it makes sense that the Inquisitor will be at first accepting of Cole. But the topic should come up, and it should not be sugar coated: Cole murdered children. If it doesn't, then in my opinion, the Cole in the game is an entirely different character than the Cole from the book. I'm not talking about a matured, or changed, or any other version of the Cole from Asunder. If the fact that Cole killed adolescents doesn't come up and cannot be reacted to and acted upon, then the two characters might as well be entirely different individuals.



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He looks like one of those generic, troubled American kids from the movies who sell themselves to other guys for drug money, get bullied throughout high school and then murder their mom for some reason.

And that haircut.

........uuuummmm, I mentally condensed that paragraph into "holy **** do I have baggage"

#2946
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I am unconvinced of this mission of redemption it's being accepted that Cole is on (let alone convinced he's stopped killing children at all; he can make people forget mind you), but I'll humor it. Let's say this monster really does want to make an effort to make up for its past transgressions? Does it change them?

 

Just to put the idea into perspective, how about we use another character guilty of taking advantage of the defenseless: Sir Alrik. Let's say he somehow survives his encounter with Hawke, and emerged from his brush with death a changed man. Seeking to right all the wrongs in the world. Remember he assaulted tranquil mages repeatedly, rationalizing his atrocities because they did not resist. Much in the same way Coles victims did not resist.

 

Does Alrik get the same pardon? In this example, he genuinely just wants to help now and only that. He still doesn't get a pass from me. And neither does Cole.

 

I will say, it's a role-playing game and the character I'll be playing likely won't have any indication of what Cole did in the Circle. With that being the case, it makes sense that the Inquisitor will be at first accepting of Cole. But the topic should come up, and it should not be sugar coated: Cole murdered children. If it doesn't, then in my opinion, the Cole in the game is an entirely different character than the Cole from the book. I'm not talking about a matured, or changed, or any other version of the Cole from Asunder. If the fact that Cole killed adolescents doesn't come up and cannot be reacted to and acted upon, then the two characters might as well be entirely different individuals.

It' not about getting a pass. It's about allowing one to try. Normally a person on trail does not get to pick their punishment but you're missing the point their is no judge or jury here. Hell, their not even a way or reason to apply justice. Any action ageists Cole about his past would just be an act of vengeance and we all know how ugly vengeance can get.

It wise to keep you eye on him and see what he does and let him try. This is like trying to judge a Tiger for it's kills then a person. No one is sugercoating his action, we just understand that Cole is also a victim of circumstance as well.



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A victim of circumstance? Perhaps the boy the creature is mocking is, but the creature is not. The Boy was probably the creatures first victim.



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A victim of circumstance? Perhaps the boy the creature is mocking is, but the creature is not. The Boy was probably the creatures first victim.


Wait what? The little boy was killed by Templars who locked him away without food or water and left.

#2949
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Wait what? The little boy was killed by Templars who locked him away without food or water and left.

So where did the creature come from then? If Cole was already dead by the Templars, then how did it imprint on him? I think The creature found the boy alone in the dark, starving and scared, and gave the boy that last "merciful" push, freeing itself from the Fade in the process.



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A victim of circumstance? Perhaps the boy the creature is mocking is, but the creature is not. The Boy was probably the creatures first victim.

I'm guessing you've never read Dragon Age: Asunder?