It's not entirely baseless. It's never stated exactly how the real Cole dies.
It is baseless because their is nothing the show he killed the original Cole and nothing that show he's lyng. This like saying Dinosaurs and neanderthals were alive in the same era is around that proves they weren't.
Cole may be the only name the Creature knew at the time. The only face. Deception is the creatures fundamental trait. Hiding, omitting, misdirecting. Lying is no great leap for one such as it.
Lying is a trait of demons. We do not know if Cole is a demon. All we know from his writers is he is somewhere on the Spirit-Demon Spectrum.
Oh man, death by starvation or dehydration is horrible. I think he actually didn't kill the original Cole kid and simply waited with him, having expected someone to come but it was too late when they did. Just waited and did nothing. Sat there holding his hand as he died, it would be a rather telling thing that Cole then decides to try and help the person by ending it quickly rather than letting them rot away like the original Cole had done. Lets them know there was someone there while they died rather than cold and forgotten.
He watches a young man die forgotten and alone and didn't do anything. Swallowed up by this horrible thing he witness, he tries to shove it away and forget it but he can't, it consumes him and so then the boy is never forgotten he takes his place. When he goes to those people so desperate to end it all, a familiar feeling of a long rotting end. They too know full well how horrible it will be and can't find a way to emotionally take it. There is only a bleak path and they send it out to the spirity/demon Cole we know, and absorbed and overwhelmed him again with the whole 'falling through the world'.
That was me just brain spewing what I thought about how that event could have been and why with Cole.
Oh man, death by starvation or dehydration is horrible. I think he actually didn't kill the original Cole kid and simply waited with him, having expected someone to come but it was too late when they did. Just waited and did nothing. Sat there holding his hand as he died, it would be a rather telling thing that Cole then decides to try and help the person by ending it quickly rather than letting them rot away like the original Cole had done. Lets them know there was someone there while they died rather than cold and forgotten.
He watches a young man die forgotten and alone and didn't do anything. Swallowed up by this horrible thing he witness, he tries to shove it away and forget it but he can't, it consumes him and so then the boy is never forgotten he takes his place. When he goes to those people so desperate to end it all, a familiar feeling of a long rotting end. They too know full well how horrible it will be and can't find a way to emotionally take it. There is only a bleak path and they send it out to the spirity/demon Cole we know, and absorbed and overwhelmed him again with the whole 'falling through the world'.
That was me just brain spewing what I thought about how that event could have been and why with Cole.
Yeah that's actually a good point, either way I suppose it could have a lasting effect on him. Plus the "helpless to act" part about the templars probably applies to the real Cole dying too.
OH NO I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING TERRIBLE AND SAD. What if the real Cole was in such heart wrenching desperation, his...soul(going to use that word for now just to separate it from spirit/demon) latched on to that spirit/demon that was being kind to him instead of passing to the Fade and they some how merged. Like a reverse possession or something?
It is baseless because their is nothing the show he killed the original Cole and nothing that show he's lyng. This like saying Dinosaurs and neanderthals were alive in the same era is around that proves they weren't.
I'm trying trying to understand your example, but i do not.
Lying is a trait of demons. We do not know if Cole is a demon. All we know from his writers is he is somewhere on the Spirit-Demon Spectrum.
I don't subscribe to the spirit/demon distinction. Just like folks, the Fade creatures, individually can be good, bad, and everywhere in between. This one likes to murder suffering children. I'm thinking that is bad.
Invisible, remember? Or maybe they don't. there's that power, too.
Cole may be the only name the Creature knew at the time. The only face. Deception is the creatures fundamental trait. Hiding, omitting, misdirecting. Lying is no great leap for one such as it.
1.And yet their still no proof he did kill Cole.
2. That not how demons hunt and you know that. In fact, they try to possess mages first and foremost. A demon does not bother to lie and misdirect to get what they want if nothing is in their way. He has no reason to lie and misdirect because nothing is stopping him physically from killing. Cases like kitty and the demon in wardens keep show that demon only lie and misdirect if something is in the way of getting what they want. With Cole their is nothing remotely in the way of that. Any understanding of his motive come from inner dialog he has and comments he has with his friends and /or victims.Their is no point to lie to them.
I don't subscribe to the spirit/demon distinction. Just like folks, the Fade creatures, individually can be good, bad, and everywhere in between. This one likes to murder suffering children. I'm thinking that is bad.
I don't either. I go more by the spectrum. We've seen malevolent spirits, we've seen benevolent demons. It is a spectrum, just like the dwellers of Thedas.
Not murder, more like assisted suicide since every single one of his 'victims' wanted to die.
I'm trying trying to understand your example, but i do not.
I'll say it again...This like saying Dinosaurs and neanderthals were alive in the same era because nothing is around that proves they weren't.
I don't subscribe to the spirit/demon distinction. Just like folks, the Fade creatures, individually can be good, bad, and everywhere in between. This one likes to murder suffering children. I'm thinking that is bad.
Distinction does not matter,hazards do. A demon only lies and misdirect when the have something stopping them from getting to a goal and they try to trick the moral into opening a pat to the goal. Cole has nothing stopping him from his goal so he never has a reason to lie. In fact in the book Cole is show to be incapable of lying and has a limited understand of what is going on.
I don't either. I go more by the spectrum. We've seen malevolent spirits, we've seen benevolent demons. It is a spectrum, just like the dwellers of Thedas.
Not murder, more like assisted suicide since every single one of his 'victims' wanted to die.
"I can make it go away" The words were gentle, and he held the dagger up to prove his promise. "The pain, the fear. I can make it quick. You don't have to stay here and see what they have in store for you."
Too much assistance, if you ask me.
As long as this stays civil, I gotta admit that this is a great debate. 
I'll say it again...This like saying Dinosaurs and neanderthals were alive in the same era because nothing is around that proves they weren't.
I can read, of course. But there are mountains of evidence (literally) to prove Neanderthal man and dinosaurs did not coexist.
"I can make it go away" The words were gentle, and he held the dagger up to prove his promise. "The pain, the fear. I can make it quick. You don't have to stay here and see what they have in store for you."
Too much assistance, if you ask me.
I don't see how counters my point of it being assisted suicide and not murder though. He literally waits for the person to decide if they really want to die after he offers and shows the knife so they know it isn't a hypothetical.
As long as this stays civil, I gotta admit that this is a great debate.
Yeah, it's great when a good debate breaks out that's intelligent and respectable.
Edit: As long as things don't get too hot tempered. 
I don't see how counters my point of it being assisted suicide and not murder though. He literally waits for the person to decide if they really want to die after he offers and shows the knife so they know it isn't a hypothetical.
It presents an option that would not be if not for its presence. And very deftly sells it as the more attractive option, though a child in the little girls state of mind would likely not be very difficult to convince. It's the murder of a willing victim at best. Not suicide.
Still trying to figure out which concept art this is from.
Cole art! yay! lets all be positive 
Love this! The eyes are amazing! (art by "withoutafuss)
art by frafi
by TehNazzy
Kinda want this dialogue lol but only if Cole says that! (art by TehNazzy)
He had no form yet to do that. Added, in cases like that they possess mages not kill them. Cole has no reason to lie about it.
Your mistake is assuming demons(or anyone, for that matter) need a reason to lie. It's entirely possible he did it for no other reason than to twist a knife in Lambert.
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I'm glad that Cole isn't some pretty boy. In fact, so far I'm very happy with the aesthetic nature of all the DA:I cast. Lots of variety :-)
You know, I would quite unhesitatingly believe many atrocities about Cole (killing Scribbles, turning against other party members because of a percieved "againstness" towards somebody/something he holds valuable etc) but lying isn't one of them. Mainly because every time the opportunity comes up in Asunder, he is spectacularly rubbish at it.
Hell, if he had any sense he wouldn't tell the Inquisitor about what he is, at least at first, but going by the way their openly talking about his nature in interviews etc it sounds like what he is comes out into the open pretty fast if not immediately. He has many many flaws, but imho straight-up dishonesty isn't one of them.
It presents an option that would not be if not for its presence. And very deftly sells it as the more attractive option, though a child in the little girls state of mind would likely not be very difficult to convince. It's the murder of a willing victim at best. Not suicide.
All assisted suicides are an option that would not be there if not for someone willing to do it's presence.
And I think you are overestimating Cole's salesmanship. He says it in a gentle tone and speaks only in hypotheticals like 'you don't have to stay here and see what they have in store for you'. Any selling of the person's decision is happening to the person by the person. Cole literally just offers to serve as the way out for those who are already seriously contemplating it. He doesn't say whether they should do it or shouldn't. And if they decide no, he leaves them alone instead of trying to convince them to do it like a demon would.
And assisted suicide defined as:
assisted suicide
noun
: suicide with help from another person (such as a doctor) to end suffering from severe physical illness
How is this different from what Cole does?
Still trying to figure out which concept art this is from.
This video:
4:07-4:09.
Drastically less interested in Cole now that he's specifically stated to be a spirit/demon. I'm sure there's some good hook in there, but an otherworldly creature having mysterious powers isn't nearly as compelling to me as a human that's somehow found himself on the wrong side of whatever causes magic to function.
No physical illness for one. Two, assisted suicide requires, or should at least, a sound mature mind to accept. These are desperate children in emotional turmoil.
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