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Cole discussion, speculation, and fan thread: "How do you know?"


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Lorien19

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I can see why it would make sense, but Templars also seem to send kids to different circles - Rhys was born in Ferelden, the Amell Warden was born in Kirkwall etc. Granted they were a newborn and about 6 or so?

Cole was about 12 wasn't he, so maybe he was old enough to stay in his home country.

This is also highly possible and now I'm even more curious about how he'll sound like.


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Cole's mother was implied to be Chasind, but I'm pretty sure Cole was Orlesian.

 

Exactly. I guess we'll have to be patient and wait and see... I don't have any patience left.. :crying:



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It will probably sound child like, mumbly, and impish. It fits with all the other camouflage it has. So far as an accent, I'd place it as Fereldan. Not geographical or cultural in origin, but psychological. A childlike voice in an Fereldan accent would be a very effective means to illicit the sympathetic response it counts on. Perhaps Orlesian, but I think that accent would work better if it were feigning the image of a young woman.



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It will probably sound child like, mumbly, and impish. It fits with all the other camouflage it has. So far as an accent, I'd place it as Fereldan. Not geographical or cultural in origin, but psychological. A childlike voice in an Fereldan accent would be a very effective means to illicit the sympathetic response it counts on. Perhaps Orlesian, but I think that accent would work better if it were feigning the image of a young woman.


You do realize he's not feigning to be human, right?
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It will probably sound child like, mumbly, and impish. It fits with all the other camouflage it has. So far as an accent, I'd place it as Fereldan. Not geographical or cultural in origin, but psychological. A childlike voice in an Fereldan accent would be a very effective means to illicit the sympathetic response it counts on. Perhaps Orlesian, but I think that accent would work better if it were feigning the image of a young woman.

 

Um, you do realise that he legitimately thought he was the real (deceased) Cole, right? There's no reason as to why he'd fake it on purpose. You're giving Cole far more credit at being a manipulator than he actually is. His narration suggests a childlike mind, not a cunning one that knows how humans think. I think he would have a mumbly impish voice though, that fits. Though whether the people choosing the voices think that an Orlesian accent would fit Cole or not is a different question entirely. At the end of the day, this is all speculation.


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You do realize he's not feigning to be human, right?

I think it is. It certainly was. Of course, the way it camouflages itself could be an involuntary response, but as many of its supporters have taken great pains in pointing out to me, it has taken the form of a young human man. Not a dwarf, or an elf, or a qunari, but human. Obviously it has direct influence over the shape it takes. The boy it got its name from was twelve years old when he died. If it was simply mirroring Cole, it would have been in the form of an adolescent. When It encounters Rhys, it is in the form of a twenty something.



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It will probably sound child like, mumbly, and impish. It fits with all the other camouflage it has. So far as an accent, I'd place it as Fereldan. Not geographical or cultural in origin, but psychological. A childlike voice in an Fereldan accent would be a very effective means to illicit the sympathetic response it counts on. Perhaps Orlesian, but I think that accent would work better if it were feigning the image of a young woman.

 

I doubt he will sound childlike at all. He is no longer physically a child. He is presumably physically in his early 20s. Which means he will more than likely have the voice of a young man.


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I think it is. It certainly was. Of course, the way it camouflages itself could be an involuntary response, but as many of its supporters have taken great pains in pointing out to me, it has taken the form of a young human man. Not a dwarf, or an elf, or a qunari, but human. Obviously it has direct influence over the shape it takes. The boy it got its name from was twelve years old when he died. If it was simply mirroring Cole, it would have been in the form of an adolescent. When It encounters Rhys, it is in the form of a twenty something.

He was 'camouflaging' in Asunder, but it wasn't intentional. He forgot he was a spirit.


On the topic of romancing Cole, i found this tweets of Gaider:
https://mobile.twitt...984033878519808
Some are from November, one is from May. I don't know if you'd take as a direct confirmation, but I think you should know about it.

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Regardless, Cole isn't even technically "alive". He's not a physical being. He's a spirit. It feels like you'd be trying to romance a ghost.



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Regardless, Cole isn't even technically "alive". He's not a physical being. He's a spirit. It feels like you'd be trying to romance a ghost.


To clarify, I don't want to romance him.

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To clarify, I don't want to romance him.

Dammit, posted in the wrong thread.



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I really don't think the the original Cole is completely gone and it was more of a merging. He will definitely have Cole's voice. I posted a YouTube video of my choice for VA earlier this thread (Gaspard Ulliel).
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Please let's not open that up and get the topic locked. It always gets ridiculous, and people always come in and start getting incredibly aggressive about it.

It is a fact that he has the body of an adult, Gaider said it. Therefore I agree that I dont' think he'll have the voice of a child. I am sure he'll sound youngish though, and the book did describe his voice as raspy from lack of use. I think that's sounds perfect.

Also I always assumed he was Orlesian as when they are traveling they pass an abandoned farm that Cole feels uncomfortable by and mentions that he can sense the farm holds many dark secrets. I always just assumed that was the original Cole's home but it never claims it is so it's just an assumption on my part I guess.


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Has anyone considered the previous topic I brought up about Cole's connection to the old gods, the OGB, and Morrigan? I was wondering how Morrigan would react to Cole. I was also wondering about the connection between lyrium and the old gods (both seem to 'sing), but that may or may not be an entirely separate matter.

 

I'm assuming that no matter what, Morrigan has a little one. Of course that is speculation, but for the sake of the subject, for playthroughs that she certainly is a mother, how would she react to Cole?



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Meeszy Alexy

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Please let's not open that up and get the topic locked. It always gets ridiculous, and people always come in and start getting incredibly aggressive about it.

It is a fact that he has the body of an adult, Gaider said it. Therefore I agree that I dont' think he'll have the voice of a child. I am sure he'll sound youngish though, and the book did describe his voice as raspy from lack of use. I think that's sounds perfect.

Also I always assumed he was Orlesian as when they are traveling they pass an abandoned farm that Cole feels uncomfortable by and mentions that he can sense the farm holds many dark secrets. I always just assumed that was the original Cole's home but it never claims it is so it's just an assumption on my part I guess.

 

Good point. I think he will sound pretty young though, and seeing as the book mentioned his voice being raspy, it'd be shocking if he had, say, a super deep bass voice or something.  :P

 

I personally think the farmhouse reminded him of where the original Cole lived, but again the narration doesn't suggest that. Perhaps it was just more of a gut feeling and nothing that's meant to be read into too much?  ^_^



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If she could use him for something? She probably would. If not she'd probably put him to the 'idle curiosity' camp like the rhyming tree. I really doubt she'll care about Cole at all. Even if she has a baby and even if that baby is the OGB (Remember sometimes she just has a normal kid)

 

 

As for the voice actor...man I have no idea what I would imagine for Cole. For some reason I'm imagining him with a terrible cracking puberty voice all the time.



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I have just rechecked the book and when they come across Cole's farm, Evanveline acknowledges that it looks like somewhere in the provinces.   That is not conclusive since I imagine the provinces look pretty similar anywhere in the southern part of Thedas and since the land was burnt there would be no crops to indicate a definite area.   Still I think it is likely to be a remote farmstead, probably somewhere in the remote part of the Heartlands but may be on the Dalelands side of Orlais.

 

He doesn't have to have a strong accent.   I don't think that commoner in the Denerim market had a particularly strong accent.     I think the strongest accents are the nobility and that may be a bit of affectation.   In the Middle Ages there was no such thing as a standard accent.    People had the accent of the region they came from. So in Elizabethan England, Walter Raleigh would have had a west country accent because that is where he came from.   A noble from the north of England would have had that sort of accent.   So someone from southern Orlais ought to sound different from the north or the east.    After all, there is no standard America accent - it varies from state to state.  Likewise in England, there is a fairly uniform accent among public school educated people but outside of that the variations are considerable. 

 

It should also be remembered that he has been hanging out in the White Spire, overhearing conversations and might just as likely picked up an accent from there.   Since the older mages could have come from anywhere, there is probably a fair bit of variety to choose from.     Rhys has a bit of an Orlesian accent.  That's how he was identified as foreign in Tevinter, but it may not be particularly strong in comparison to an Orlesian noble.   Cole would most likely have tried to sound as much as possible like Rhys.



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Good point. I think he will sound pretty young though, and seeing as the book mentioned his voice being raspy, it'd be shocking if he had, say, a super deep bass voice or something.  :P

 

I personally think the farmhouse reminded him of where the original Cole lived, but again the narration doesn't suggest that. Perhaps it was just more of a gut feeling and nothing that's meant to be read into too much?  ^_^

Yes, like I said was just an assumption because it seemed strange to point out that house specifically otherwise to me. That's why I assumed he was Orlesian. He easily could have also been from anywhere else and been moved. Or they could give him whatever accent they want since he's not human anyways. xD


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Has anyone considered the previous topic I brought up about Cole's connection to the old gods, the OGB, and Morrigan? I was wondering how Morrigan would react to Cole. I was also wondering about the connection between lyrium and the old gods (both seem to 'sing), but that may or may not be an entirely separate matter.

 

I'm assuming that no matter what, Morrigan has a little one. Of course that is speculation, but for the sake of the subject, for playthroughs that she certainly is a mother, how would she react to Cole?

 

From what I've learned so far, it seems to be a spirit thing in general to hear the "song" of lyrium, so perhaps hearing the "song" of the Old Gods might be linked, as you say. I don't think Cole is unique for it though.

 

We don't know the extent of Morrigan's agenda. Most likely, she'll be curious about Cole above anything else, but I doubt she'd seriously pay that much attention to him unless she needed him for whatever reason. If she needed somebody that is easy enough to manipulate and can hear the song of the Old Gods, she'd probably have an easier time looking for a Grey Warden than a spirit that can disappear at will the moment they come to odds.


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If she could use him for something? She probably would. If not she'd probably put him to the 'idle curiosity' camp like the rhyming tree. I really doubt she'll care about Cole at all. Even if she has a baby and even if that baby is the OGB (Remember sometimes she just has a normal kid)

 

 

As for the voice actor...man I have no idea what I would imagine for Cole. For some reason I'm imagining him with a terrible cracking puberty voice all the time.

Lol. Just had an image of him speaking like the pimply teen from the Simpsons.


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#3321
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Honestly I'm more interested if him hearing the lyrium song mean he'll be able to find red lyrium for us. (Or even sense it on Varric if you let him keep the shard in da2. That could be an interesting convo)



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I really don't think the the original Cole is completely gone and it was more of a merging. He will definitely have Cole's voice. I posted a YouTube video of my choice for VA earlier this thread (Gaspard Ulliel).

 

That was you?! :P I've watched that video quite a few times. I couldn't remember who originally suggested it.

I think that voice and subtle accent would make him sound far too hot. :blush:   (although I wouldn't complain.)



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Lol. Just had an image of him speaking like the pimply teen from the Simpsons.

Oh my god...that's perfect! That is how I will imagine his voice until I am proven wrong by the game.



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Yes, like I said was just an assumption because it seemed strange to point out that house specifically otherwise to me. That's why I assumed he was Orlesian. He easily could have also been from anywhere else and been moved. Or they could give him whatever accent they want since he's not human anyways. xD

So there is nothing pointing towards how he might sound like?



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So there is nothing pointing towards how he might sound like?

 

Asides from his voice being described as "raspy" from not being used much, nope.