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[BlueFlame527]

Thanks! Learned a new word too

raspy

 adjective \ˈras-pē\

: having a rough, harsh sound

sounds like you do not want to have a headphens on when he's talking

[The Elder King]

I really don't think the the original Cole is completely gone and it was more of a merging. He will definitely have Cole's voice. I posted a YouTube video of my choice for VA earlier this thread (Gaspard Ulliel).

I personally disagree. The spirit said he died. That they took it corpse and burnt/buried him (I think the former). I definitely not see it as a merging (and the news we have so far doesn't seem to support your theory: they're talking only of the spirit).

[KirstyLionheart]

Now I'm imagining him sounding like Harry Styles.. someone help

I'd absolutely love if BW released a short vid of all the followers speaking/in action. I want to hear everyone.

Especially Cole.

[Kisari]

Well it kinda looks like they are releasing interviews with their voice actors. Of course whether they are doing them for all the chars or just the really popular ones... I guess we'll find out.

[Faerah]

Wow, so many pages cropped up while I was asleep. Anyway, like already said, the farmstead (where the purple flowers were  ) was sort of inferred that it was either his farm, or reminded him of his farm. And that farmhold with the flowers was between the Western Approach and Val Royeaux, implying that it's still within Orlais. So he might have an Orlesian accent if that actually was his house...

 

But on the other hand, the common folk (like possibly Sera) might have a different accent than the Orlesian/French accent. If Sera is supposed to be from Orlais somewhere, she definitely doesn't have the French accent.

 

And then the Templars could have moved him to another Circle. He was unconscious for most of the ride.

 

So his accent is up in the air, as far as I can theorize anyways. 

[Fortlowe]

From what I've learned so far, it seems to be a spirit thing in general to hear the "song" of lyrium, so perhaps hearing the "song" of the Old Gods might be linked, as you say. I don't think Cole is unique for it though.

 

We don't know the extent of Morrigan's agenda. Most likely, she'll be curious about Cole above anything else, but I doubt she'd seriously pay that much attention to him unless she needed him for whatever reason. If she needed somebody that is easy enough to manipulate and can hear the song of the Old Gods, she'd probably have an easier time looking for a Grey Warden than a spirit that can disappear at will the moment they come to odds.

Of course, her and her child's interest would come first for her. I think she would see Cole as a danger, but perhaps not a threat. Not at first, at least. It killed (or likely, imo, still kills) children. Specifically, mage children. She'll pay attention to that fact. Possibly it draws power from this behavior somehow.

 

At the very least, a child of Morrigan will likely be a powerful mage. If the child is the OGB, then it could be incredibly powerful. If she comes to the conclusion it is a predator, I think she will attempt to neutralize the threat it poses, or as you say, deflect it and make use of it somehow.

[The Elder King]

Of course, her and her child's interest would come first for her. I think she would see Cole as a danger, but perhaps not a threat. Not at first, at least. It killed (or likely, imo, still kills) children. Specifically, mage children. She'll pay attention to that fact. Possibly it draws power from this behavior somehow.

At the very least, a child of Morrigan will likely be a powerful mage. If the child is the OGB, then it could be incredibly powerful. If she comes to the conclusion it is a predator, I think she will attempt to neutralize the threat it poses, or as you say, deflect it and make use of it somehow.

I doubt Morrigan's child will be where Morrigan is to be honest.

[KirstyLionheart]

Well it kinda looks like they are releasing interviews with their voice actors. Of course whether they are doing them for all the chars or just the really popular ones... I guess we'll find out.

 

Yes this is my fear. So far we've had Morrigan, Varric & Alistair -- I assume because they're well known and loved. Then we had Iron Bull because he seems popular. I know a Cullen/Greg Ellis vid was supposed to be posted up a few weeks back. Whether that will still happen remains to be seen.

Either they're only releasing the vids for the popular characters, or they're releasing the follower vids in order of popularity or something.

[nightcobra]

Of course, her and her child's interest would come first for her. I think she would see Cole as a danger, but perhaps not a threat. Not at first, at least. It killed (or likely, imo, still kills) children. Specifically, mage children. She'll pay attention to that fact. Possibly it draws power from this behavior somehow.

 

At the very least, a child of Morrigan will likely be a powerful mage. If the child is the OGB, then it could be incredibly powerful. If she comes to the conclusion it is a predator, I think she will attempt to neutralize the threat it poses, or as you say, deflect it and make use of it somehow.

 

if he's trying to be a spirit though, he'll thrive on positive emotions rather than negative emotions like how demons do.

I'd say he isn't spirit nor demon, at least...not yet, in the beginning of asunder he would be more akin to a despair demon feeding on the despair (even if unknowingly) of his victims, though afterwards he seems to act more on positive impulses, trying to protect rhys, having an affection towards rhys and evangeline, maybe unknowingly feeding on their compassion.

He could be walking the line in inquisition, with the inquisitor being able to influence/steer/convince him to go one way or the other either by protecting the people who are suffering or by killing the people who make others suffer.

 

just my 2 cents 

[LobselVith8]

Has anyone considered the previous topic I brought up about Cole's connection to the old gods, the OGB, and Morrigan? I was wondering how Morrigan would react to Cole. I was also wondering about the connection between lyrium and the old gods (both seem to 'sing), but that may or may not be an entirely separate matter.

 

Like Meeszy Alexy said, Cole might be able to hear ordinary lyrium 'sing' in the same fashion Justice was, and perhaps he might even be able to hear the voices of red lyrium that seemed to drive Bartrand and Meredith insane.

 

I'm assuming that no matter what, Morrigan has a little one. Of course that is speculation, but for the sake of the subject, for playthroughs that she certainly is a mother, how would she react to Cole?

 

Gaider said there would only be a OGB if the 'Dark Ritual' was performed. Morrigan only references a child if The Warden slept with her (even if the Dark Ritual was never performed), or if the 'Dark Ritual' was performed.

[Fortlowe]

I think a lot is being taken on faith about Coles motivations. So far the sum total of its 'compassion' is killing in cold blood (in other words murder, not combat) who knows how many people (including children), and sparing two. It has taken the form of a human to humanize it, and co-opted a child's suffering (suffering that was not its own, might I add) as its motivation. But it says it wants to help now so we are to believe that.

[Meeszy Alexy]

Of course, her and her child's interest would come first for her. I think she would see Cole as a danger, but perhaps not a threat. Not at first, at least. It killed (or likely, imo, still kills) children. Specifically, mage children. She'll pay attention to that fact. Possibly it draws power from this behavior somehow.

 

At the very least, a child of Morrigan will likely be a powerful mage. If the child is the OGB, then it could be incredibly powerful. If she comes to the conclusion it is a predator, I think she will attempt to neutralize the threat it poses, or as you say, deflect it and make use of it somehow.

 

Where did you get the impression that Cole still kills mages, let alone mage children? For starters, there is no mention made of children being killed by Cole's hand at all in Asunder. Secondly, he didn't kill them because they were mages, the book made it pretty clear that he came to them because he's drawn to people that wished to die (because they can see him, and upon killing them, he feels more anchored to the real world because now he's the most important person in the world to that mage and therefore real). Considering the hostile mages vs templars atmosphere within the White Spire, it's not that surprising that he found them easily enough. Additionally, the whole "by killing them, he becomes the most important person in the world to them and therefore real" thing? Doesn't apply to him anymore because he now knows and accepts that he isn't and never will be. (Not to mention, y'know, learning morality from Rhys and not wanting to cause him any more problems than he already has.)

 

Finally, he's being pitched as a sympathetic and tragic character now in the DA:I marketing. It's hard enough trying to get people to like/accept a serial killer. If they confirmed that he killed children, then he would lose all likeability, as people are pretty protective of kids and generally don't sympathise with those that harm them even for understandable reasons. In other words, after all that marketing, if they dropped the bomb that he killed children, not only would that be an awful idea, but the backlash would lose Bioware an awful lot of support in general. Sure, Cole has grey shades, but so do the rest of the DA characters. There aren't any characters that are overall "good", because that's how the DA verse is supposed to be! Grey characters are ideal because they make the player/reader ask questions and debate and think.

 

And besides, even if Cole for whatever reason, attacked the OGC (which, for the record he has no incentive to do so), Morrigan wouldn't let that happen. She's more than enough for him.

[Eveangaline]

Even if he had killed children (Which was never specified) and even if Morrigan has a child (I only did the ritual once for an achievement so she has no kids in most of my runs) and even if she has her kid with her (I really, really doubt the kid will get more than dialogue talking about it and I'd bet she has someone else doing most of the raising), how exactly would she know anything about Coles past?

[Fortlowe]

Sten killed a family and he's still popular and marketable. So far as why I think it still kills, is that it's still up in the air as to why it started killing to begin with. Either it did it because it needed to, and I can't see thinking happy thoughts as an applicable substitute, or it did so because it wanted to.

 

So far as to the argument that it never killed a child, read pages 18-22 of Asunder. The child is called only a girl, not a woman or even a young woman. She describes her recent history as that of a mage only just realizing her power. The places her at puberty. If you'd like to interpret it otherwise, it is your call, but what I read is the murder of a child.

[Faerah]

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@Mike_Laidlaw Come across any funny bugs to share? I celebrate by replaying the older games ^^

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw  41m

There was a brief period where Cole's pants insisted on walking several feet to the right of his torso. Kind of fitting, really.

 

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With a Jack Skellington-esque high stepping gait, no less. Rigging/skinning bugs are the best.http://workinginavid...is-wrong-with …

 

 

 

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Can you tell us what sexual orientation is Cole? He sounds like he would be asexual

 

David Hulegaard ‏@HulegaardBooks

Cole is a very complicated character. He's tackling some pretty big questions. Not sure he thinks about much beyond that. 

[Eveangaline]

Damn magical fade pants. They never work right.

[Meeszy Alexy]

Sten killed a family and he's still popular and marketable. So far as why I think it still kills, is that it's still up in the air as to why it started killing to begin with. Either it did it because it needed to, and I can't see thinking happy thoughts as an applicable substitute, or it did so because it wanted to.

 

And do you know why Sten is still popular and marketable? Because for starters, those that didn't approve of what he did didn't have to recruit him. Same deal with Cole, he's not a mandatory companion, like, say, Alistair in DA:O or Varric in DA2. Secondly, in spite of what he did, he expressed regret for what he'd done and otherwise acted like an honourable person, even though he had a different morality and mindset than what we're used to, again, just like Cole who later expresses regret along with saying that he had no burning need to kill anymore. In fact, these two characters would be interesting to compare and contrast, yes?

 

We do know why he killed - the book flat-out says that he killed them because they wanted to die, because in killing them, he became the "most important person in the world" to them, therefore becoming real. We don't know what triggered it, if that's what you're asking, but we do know that Cole knows he isn't real, and combined with the lack of desire to kill anymore, it's unlikely he'd start serial killing again. (Now, killing on the Inquisitor's orders, that's a different matter entirely...)

[Fortlowe]

Cole says it kills because they wanted to die. Convenient that the thought only seems to really take form in their minds when Cole shows up with a dagger in its hand.

[Meeszy Alexy]

 

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@Mike_Laidlaw Come across any funny bugs to share? I celebrate by replaying the older games ^^

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw  41m

.@Zalodu There was a brief period where Cole's pants insisted on walking several feet to the right of his torso. Kind of fitting, really.

 

 

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Can you tell us what sexual orientation is Cole? He sounds like he would be asexual

 

David Hulegaard ‏@HulegaardBooks

Cole is a very complicated character. He's tackling some pretty big questions. Not sure he thinks about much beyond that. 

 

 

 That is absolutely hilarious. I hope they made screenshots/video!

 

Also, I find that very curious that they didn't give that a straight answer. Either they're just teasing the fans and he is asexual (likely) or they're hinting at a future romance (therefore possibly implying that he's matured mentally enough for one?).  It wouldn't be OOC to assume they're teasing though as they might just not want to show their hand too quickly in regards to the romancibles.

[The Elder King]

I think a lot is being taken on faith about Coles motivations. So far the sum total of its 'compassion' is killing in cold blood (in other words murder, not combat) who knows how many people (including children), and sparing two. It has taken the form of a human to humanize it, and co-opted a child's suffering (suffering that was not its own, might I add) as its motivation. But it says it wants to help now so we are to believe that.

You're right. People might be too sure of his positive motivation. Keeping in mind there's the chance he's faking it is a reasonable approach.
You, howewer, displays the opposite behaviour, since you seem sure that he has malicious intentions.

[The Elder King]

Cole says it kills because they wanted to die. Convenient that the thought only seems to really take form in their minds when Cole shows up with a dagger in its hand.

He offered them an alternative path. They were free to reject it.

[Fortlowe]

He offered them an alternative path. They were free to reject it.

The devil you know...

[Kisari]

 That is absolutely hilarious. I hope they made screenshots/video!

 

Also, I find that very curious that they didn't give that a straight answer. Either they're just teasing the fans and he is asexual (likely) or they're hinting at a future romance (therefore possibly implying that he's matured mentally enough for one?).  It wouldn't be OOC to assume they're teasing though as they might just not want to show their hand too quickly in regards to the romancibles.

It read to me as "Cole doesn't care about his sexuality" haha. xD Which makes perfect sense. He is a fade spirit. They are curious about human emotions but they don't experience them themselves. While Cole may be an anomaly, I am 100% sure he wont be a romance and as a spirit it makes complete sense.

As much as I would love an asexual romance, I doubt it'll ever happen. Like I've said before I wish they would just come out and say he isn't though. I think they don't want to announce who isn't though as that narrows down who is. xD

 

 

He offered them an alternative path. They were free to reject it.

Indeed. He didn't kill the girl trapped in Adamant, despite sensing her despair nor Pharamond who desperately wanted to die. He killed his last victim in the beginning chapter, and didn't the entire rest of of the book.

[azarhal]

And do you know why Sten is still popular and marketable? Because for starters, those that didn't approve of what he did didn't have to recruit him.

 

Funny enough, going by Minsc and HK popularity, I always just though that BioWare fanbase liked insane and homicidal companions...

[Ianamus]

 That is absolutely hilarious. I hope they made screenshots/video!

 

Also, I find that very curious that they didn't give that a straight answer. Either they're just teasing the fans and he is asexual (likely) or they're hinting at a future romance (therefore possibly implying that he's matured mentally enough for one?).  It wouldn't be OOC to assume they're teasing though as they might just not want to show their hand too quickly in regards to the romancibles.

 

It's also possible that while Cole is not mentally mature enough for romance in Inquisition he may eventually be, in say ten or twenty years.