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[twincast]

Wow, so many pages cropped up while I was asleep. Anyway, like already said, the farmstead (where the purple flowers were  ) was sort of inferred that it was either his farm, or reminded him of his farm. And that farmhold with the flowers was between the Western Approach and Val Royeaux, implying that it's still within Orlais. So he might have an Orlesian accent if that actually was his house...

 

But on the other hand, the common folk (like possibly Sera) might have a different accent than the Orlesian/French accent. If Sera is supposed to be from Orlais somewhere, she definitely doesn't have the French accent.

 

And then the Templars could have moved him to another Circle. He was unconscious for most of the ride.

 

So his accent is up in the air, as far as I can theorize anyways. 

 

Well, Cole isn't a French(-y) name, but why would the farm (the sole one to be singled out, to boot) hold "many dark secrets" if it weren't the location of (the original) Cole's repressed painful memories?

 

As for Sera, they are fairly inconsistent whether Alienage elves have American accents or the one of the local human population, so... who knows?

 

@Fortlowe I think most of us just have more empathy towards Cole's character than you. We all know of the atrocities that he has commited, but most of us also read the parts of the book with his viewpoint as sincere, which you did not apparently. I think it's safe to say we just fundamentally view Cole differently and got different views/info from the book. We could debate this into infinity and probably no one will change their opinions. 

 

Most importantly, I would consider it very weak wordsmanship if a character lied (about their motivations and emotions etc.) in their own narration.

(Not to be confused with lying to other characters or a reader/listener persona directly (cf. Varric's embellishments), which Cole sucks terribly at.)

 

Technically, they believe it becuase his writer said so.
But no, there's no objective evidence that he has malicious intent. There is objective evidence that he committed terrible acts, which is different.

 

And this.

[Meeszy Alexy]

Dorian or Cole? Definitely Cole. I have my idea of Team Friendzone and unless Dorian isn't romancible, he can't join (save for when I need him). :c I do like Dorian, though.

[KirstyLionheart]

Well, Cole isn't a French(-y) name, but why would the farm (the sole one to be singled out, to boot) hold "many dark secrets" if it weren't the location of (the original) Cole's repressed painful memories?

 

As for Sera, they are fairly inconsistent whether Alienage elves have American accents or the one of the local human population, so... who knows?

 

 

Most importantly, I would consider it very weak wordsmanship if a character lied (about their motivations and emotions etc.) in their own narration.

(Not to be confused with lying to other characters or a reader/listener persona directly (cf. Varric's embellishments), which Cole sucks terribly at.)

 

 

And this.

 

Cole /koʊl/ is a surname of English origin, and is much less frequently a given name. It is of Middle English origin, and its meaning is "swarthy, coal-black, charcoal". The Cole family originated in Cornwall, South West England. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Randolphi Cole, appearing in the Winton Rolls of Hampshire in 1148

 

Cole

kəʊl/

noun

archaic

noun: cole; plural noun: coles

1. a brassica, especially cabbage, kale, or rape.

[fiveforchaos]

Dorian or Cole? Definitely Cole. I have my idea of Team Friendzone and unless Dorian isn't romancible, he can't join (save for when I need him). :c I do like Dorian, though.

Team friendzone? Do tell, who's in it (please don't be Varric)? Also you could always include him if you're playing as femquisitor, seeing as how he's gay.

[BlueFlame527]

Dorian or Cole? Definitely Cole. I have my idea of Team Friendzone and unless Dorian isn't romancible, he can't join (save for when I need him). :c I do like Dorian, though.

Yea Asunder got me too interested in Cole to pick Dorian over him, but I do still like Dorian and will change my party as I go...but yeah if I had to choose: Cole.

[KirstyLionheart]

Dorian or Cole? Definitely Cole. I have my idea of Team Friendzone and unless Dorian isn't romancible, he can't join (save for when I need him). :c I do like Dorian, though.

 

Cole will always be my favourite and will have first spot in my party (:

Dorian is just too witty and sassy to leave behind!

[fiveforchaos]

 

 

Cole /koʊl/ is a surname of English origin, and is much less frequently a given name. It is of Middle English origin, and its meaning is "swarthy, coal-black, charcoal". The Cole family originated in Cornwall, South West England. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Randolphi Cole, appearing in the Winton Rolls of Hampshire in 1148

 

Cole

kəʊl/

noun

archaic

noun: cole; plural noun: coles

1. a brassica, especially cabbage, kale, or rape. 

    

    

    

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One of these things is not like the others....

 

unless there's another definition for the word "rape" that I'm not aware of.

[KirstyLionheart]

The main kid in The Sixth Sense is called Cole.

He sees dead people.

[Meeszy Alexy]

 

 

One of these is not like the others....

 

unless there's another definition for the word "rape" that I'm missing.

 

As in "rapeseed", sometimes shortened to rape. 

 

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed

[twincast]

 

 

One of these is not like the others....

 

unless there's another definition for the word "rape" that I'm missing.

 

https://en.wiktionar...ape#Etymology_4

 

From Latin rapa, from rapum (“turnip”).

Noun

rape (plural rape)

Rapeseed, Brassica napus. [late 14th c.]

 

First time I hear of it, though. Not the kind of word you usually need in a foreign language.

 

edit: Waah!

[Meeszy Alexy]

Team friendzone? Do tell, who's in it (please don't be Varric)? Also you could always include him if you're playing as femquisitor, seeing as how he's gay.

 

Sadly yes, I put Varric in team Friendzone. Sorry. Granted, I almost always play a female inquisitor, so if Varric's romancible, Dorian can come with.

 

Cole, Varric and Iron Bull = Team Friendzone. Though if Iron Bull's romancible too, I'll replace him with Blackwall.

[twincast]

 

Cole /koʊl/ is a surname of English origin, and is much less frequently a given name.

 

 

As someone pointed out, though, his mother is implied to be Chasind; and well, people get displaced and move.

Also, I think it would've been pointed out by someone in Asunder if Cole spoke Orlesian with a foreign accent--especially since we got a description of his voice.

[fiveforchaos]

Sadly yes, I put Varric in team Friendzone. Sorry. Granted, I almost always play a female inquisitor, so if Varric's romancible, Dorian can come with.

 

Cole, Varric and Iron Bull. Though if Iron Bull's romancible too, I'll replace him with Blackwall.

It seems as though the only guaranteed slot on this Team Friendzone of yours is Cole What if he does turn out to be a romance? I mean usually I'd be thinking "oh god no not in a million years" but the devs have been suspiciously deflective whenever someone brings up his childlike mindset in conversation... <.< 

 

(I really don't think there's actually anything  to that observation. The devs probably just don't want to inadvertently encourage the harassment of people asking for a Cole romance, so they've been very careful with their language.)

[twincast]

(By the way, I consider it quite save to assume that the use of "rapeseed" for the adult plant stems from wanting to avoid the connotations of its homonym and being unable to think of/establish a wholly different term. Not the only potential reason for it, but Occam's razor and all that. I dislike that phenomenon, but well, better than completely replacing a word—at least it's still close to what it's called in most of Europe this way.)
 
(Also, "cole", huh? A new entry on my long list of Anglo-Norman words ("cabbage") annoyingly (largely) replacing the cognate of a common continental West Germanic term (German "Kohl"). [The original surviving on the British Isles but not elsewhere happens as well but is much, much, much rarer. All that also goes for change of meaning of or replacement by other (unique) Germanic terms as well, by the way. Change of meaning of words taken directly from Latin seems to me more common on the continent, though.] Up till now I wasn't aware that there was one lasting into Modern English in this particular case (which also originally derives from Latin but much earlier and more properly applied).)

[Meeszy Alexy]

It seems as though the only guaranteed slot on this Team Friendzone of yours is Cole What if he does turn out to be a romance? I mean usually I'd be thinking "oh god no not in a million years" but the devs have been suspiciously deflective whenever someone brings up his childlike mindset in conversation... <.< 

 

(I really don't think there's actually anything  to that observation. The devs probably just don't want to inadvertently encourage the harassment of people asking for a Cole romance, so they've been very careful with their language.)

 

Aaah, that would be heartbreaking. I made Team Friendzone as a means of firmly asserting my belief that he isn't romancible. (The other two I'm not so sure, but I do have replacements waiting in line) I think it'd be funny though if I went in the game, thinking that there was no Cole romance only to accidentally romance him.   

[Faerah]

 

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Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw  41m

There was a brief period where Cole's pants insisted on walking several feet to the right of his torso. Kind of fitting, really.

 

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Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes 

As I recall, @SherylChee's exact words were, "Cole, that is not how you human."

[Fortlowe]

I do not necessarily believe that he (not it, he) has become benevolent but PW states certain aspects of his character and since he has written him, I must assume they are correct, unless PW is deliberately trying to mislead us.   He still appears to be drawn to human emotions, can sense them, and he seems to be drawn to people who are in distress and requiring comfort.   When he first came to Cole, he was a terrified child, shut up in a dark dungeon and "I held his hand in the darkness until it was over."  The prime motivating force as a pure spirit was compassion, bringing comfort to one who needed it.

 

However, he has developed since then,   He advanced from his state at the beginning of the book until the end.  He is no longer a pure spirit and since it is clear neither we, nor the majority of inhabitant of Thedas, have any real idea of the nature of spirits, or how they can interact with the material world, it is difficult to know truly what he is.  It would certainly be wise to tread warily where he is concerned because he is still finding his way and is very impressionable, but to prejudge him as being totally untrustworthy and trying to deceive would be unfair, unless you are going to take that view about every companion.

 

The thing is PW states that you do not have to take him as a companion.   If you feel like you do about him Fortlowe, just tell him to get lost the first time you meet him and he will oblige.   To be honest that does not strike me as a character that is out to deceive you by pretending to be benevolent because such a character would not just walk away.

I'm not prejudging. I'm evaluating information from Asunder.

• In Asunder there was a child mage named Cole that was locked in a dungeon and forgotten.
• The child encountered a Fade creature just before he died.
• The Fade creature somehow crossed over the Veil, became at least partially tangible, and imprinted with the childs memories.
• The fade creature is mostly invisible and anyone that that does encounter it forgets everything about it shortly after.
• For years the creature anonymously inhabits the Spire.
• It meets Rhys.
• Rhys can see it and does not forget it.
• Shortly after meeting Rhys murders start being reported in the dungeons.
• Cole is responsible for these murders.
• It has carried on a relationship with Rhys without divulging this information.
• It rationalizes the murders as assisted suicide.
• In the book the one murder that is described in detail appears to be that of an adolescent girl.
• She has been imprisoned for using newly acquired magic to burn down her home with her family inside.
• Cole is unaware of this crime when it infiltrates her cell to kill her.
• This is not its first murder.
• Its access to the dungeons and the rest of the tower allows for observation of the Templars practices.
• It knows this girl will be judged for her crime and could be executed, but more likely given her age, given to the Circle to train.
• It does not tell the girl she may still live.
• It offers the girl a quick clean death instead of a possible painful future.
• She does not accept.
• She does not resist.
• Cole kills her.

 

After this, the book goes into Coles fixation on not disappointing Rhys, which I believe to be genuine. Even monsters want to be liked at least some of the time, I imagine. However, it is not implied that Cole is sorry for what it did. Only that it is sorry that Rhys is disappointed. I believe it has grown since the events of Asunder. More cunning and more deadly. Ii understands its skillset better and can manipulate it at will. If it gets in a bind, it can just disappear and everyone will forget it was ever there. It can go wherever it wants, kill whoever it wants, and no one would be the wiser. So long as he tells Rhys, or whoever it is currently fixated upon, a good enough story, like "I just want to help", it can sustain its homicidal past time without reservation, just as it likely did before it met Rhys.

[KirstyLionheart]

Aaah, that would be heartbreaking. I made Team Friendzone as a means of firmly asserting my belief that he isn't romancible. (The other two I'm not so sure, but I do have replacements waiting in line) I think it'd be funny though if I went in the game, thinking that there was no Cole romance only to accidentally romance him.   

 

What you mean like the Anders romance where he's sucking your face off before you even gave him the "go ahead"?

Please don't suck our faces off, Cole.. you're too innocent for that.

[KirstyLionheart]

I think we're going around in circles lol.

[Meeszy Alexy]

What you mean like the Anders romance where he's sucking your face off before you even gave him the "go ahead"?

Please don't suck our faces off, Cole.. you're too innocent for that.

 

Dear god, I'd poop bricks if that ever happened. Please no, Cole. No. I meant more of an unexpected confession of love, because I think unlike Anders Cole would ask first. Also, I think his romance would probably be kinda chaste.

 

Edit: To be honest, I'd poop bricks if Cole was a romance in the first place, because he seems like the last person to be one!

Modifié par Meeszy Alexy, 28 juin 2014 - 10:15 .

[cogsandcurls]

That's what I meant by "they're deliberately teasing". Besides, I still think it's sincerely really unlikely he ever will be romancible. Otherwise I wouldn't have made Team Friendzone with him in it.

 

Edit: Jsyk, it's Team Friendzone as in "a zone full of friends" way, not in the dumb way. A team full of characters that I don't think can be romanced. Cole is #1 on the list.

 

I like this. My current party line-up is looking like it's going to be a gay lady (my Inquisitor), a gay man (Dorian) and Cole, who is likely not interested in anybody in that way. Friendship all the way \o/

 

Of course, that whole plan goes out the window the moment they make the LI situation clear and one of the ladies gets the fourth slot ._.

[Omikuji]

Ahah, that was my plan as well going into the game. I have been watching the characters and figuring out my team based on 'I do not want fighting in my party like in DAII. I will not take characters who fight and sass at each other' because I was so inhumanly frustrated at my party in DAII and their inability to get along for five minutes. I'm hoping that my ideal party of Cole, Solas, Iron Bull/Cass/Varric will keep any mean banter away. I'd just like a change of pace from my last playthrough of DAII (Fenris, Anders, Merril. STAPH FIGHTING PLEASE.)

 

I'd imagine if Cole did become a romance option, it wouldn't be like all the other romances that have been present in the previous games. It's a giant if, DG isn't controlling Cole anymore and it has been in the hands of PW, so it's not impossible to see if he's off the board. Asunder Cole is the context DG was talking about, Cole may have/will grow in Inquisition to become a possible LI. I hope he won't be an LI in the end, but with PW at the wheel of Cole we can't take DGs 100% no for Cole romance anymore, and we have to remember what sort of context the Cole romance was earlier being talked about. 

[Kisari]

I like this. My current party line-up is looking like it's going to be a gay lady (my Inquisitor), a gay man (Dorian) and Cole, who is likely not interested in anybody in that way. Friendship all the way \o/

 

Of course, that whole plan goes out the window the moment they make the LI situation clear and one of the ladies gets the fourth slot ._.

I can't really pick between the ladies, they are all gorgeous and I am liking all their characters. My lesbian gal is going to be very conflicted. I am not really planning on any LIs yet though, and I never go in planning anything specific as I like to give everyone a chance and get sweeped off my feet!

The guys, I am willing to give a chance, even though none of them are my type. Men have to win me over with their personality first and foremost.

Cole still gets a permanent spot on my team though, everyone else will come and go.

[cogsandcurls]

I can't really pick between the ladies, they are all gorgeous and I am liking all their characters. My lesbian gal is going to be very conflicted. I am not really planning on any LIs yet though, and I never go in planning anything specific as I like to give everyone a chance and get sweeped off my feet!

The guys, I am willing to give a chance, even though none of them are my type. Men have to win me over with their personality first and foremost.

Cole still gets a permanent spot on my team though, everyone else will come and go.

 

Yeah, I'm at the point now where I'm trying to stop second-guessing the romances. I was fixated on Cassandra and then was on the Sera hype train for about a fortnight, then the whole "it" thing made me think she might not be the best fit for my first girl and so now I'm back on Cassandra again. But Scribbles looks like a complete sweetheart too. I can't decide, so I'm going to sit and wait and see if the race-gating makes my decision for me

 

I've never done a first run before where there was ever a completely permanent party member other than the LI, but I think Cole might be the exception for this. I suppose it depends what missions show up and whether I'll feel more comfortable keeping him with the party or keeping him away from that particular jaunt.

 

For example: can't decide if I'm definitely taking him to Emprise du Lion or definitely not taking him, since there are apparently Masked Empire things going on there. I sort of want him to meet Imshael just for the lore goodness but on the other hand I can see running into Michel ending very very badly, so.

[twincast]

Yeah, that's my main deciding factor as well. Conflicts (in camp/keep) are fun and all, but please no being mean to each other all the time.

 

Which is why my (2nd playthrough) all-female human mage Inquisitor party is probably a bust (I'll save the non-friendly banter for a special all-female qunari mage Inquisitor party—whenever—instead). Also, Dorian (like Sera) likely wouldn't get along with my (3rd) male dwarf warrior, and I kind of don't want my (1st) male elf rogue to be the sole elf in his party, so I'm fairly fixated on Solas being his main mage at the moment. But Dorian should get along perfectly with both #1 and #2 (as should Sera, but Cole—who also wouldn't like #3 much—just needs to feature prominently in my first playthrough if I can reasonably justify it in terms of role-playing a Dalish), so we'll see. And since I've been unsure of which warrior to have him take with him, and the description of Cole/Solas/Cassandra banter sounds great, I'm pretty sure Cass will supply the estrogen most of the time for my "canon" run.