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[SnakeCode]

So why did you even bring it up again in a discussion that had nothing to do with Sera?

People were already talking about the whole "calling Cole an it" thing, I just chimed in with my own thoughts. Sera (from what we know) is the only character that does this. Why wouldn't I be talking about Sera?

[MisterJB]

(which, by the way, in the girl's case weren't intentional)

The girl specifically states she meant to set the fire and kill her family.

[Fialka]

Yes.
 

 
I can point out that the boy Cole is twelve years old when he died and the creature Cole has the body of a twenty something, both in the book and apparently in the upcoming game, so it does not seem to age.

I dont think the book actually tells us how many years have passed since the original Cole's death. All we know is that Cole died when he was 12, but somehow the spirit Cole appears about 20. Rhys doesn't actually interact with him long enough for him to visibly age during that time. We know the body needs sleep/food etc to survive. Anything about his nature beyond that is speculation. Maybe we'll find out in the game.

It could even be the original Cole's body. We're not actually sure it was destroyed. The book only tells us the evidence he existed was destroyed to hide the Templars' shame. It could be that they realized they forgot about him, discovered him missing, and destroyed the records. A wild theory I know, and there's the phylactery issue, but since we're speculating here...

[Fialka]

At the moment, it was about people in this thread calling Cole an it. There is a difference. I was hoping we could turn down the passive aggressive level of the discussion by at least agreeing to use the proper terminology amongst ourselves. Instead, it seems it has all become properly aggressive. 

I don't feel particularly aggressive... I rather enjoy a debate myself. I like being asked questions that make me think. Because sometimes when I think I come up with cool stuff to say...

Also, talking about Sera's reaction to Cole is fine to discuss in this thread, as it pertains directly to the topic of this thread. Personally I'll reserve judging her character one way or the other until I meet her in the game. If I'm willing to give Cole a chance to earn my trust, I'll certainly give Sera the opportunity to evolve as well

[Fialka]

Also, there's no need for us to have just one discussion at a time. I do hope this back and forth doesn't scare people off who just want to post some cute fan art or a banter or something. Hell, it would lighten the mood at least, haha!

[Josh902]

Also, there's no need for us to have just one discussion at a time. I do hope this back and forth doesn't scare people off who just want to post some cute fan art or a banter or something. Hell, it would lighten the mood at least, haha!

 

Yea ive started just not even looking at some threads because there so full of toxic and hate.

[Fortlowe]

Also, there's no need for us to have just one discussion at a time. I do hope this back and forth doesn't scare people off who just want to post some cute fan art or a banter or something. Hell, it would lighten the mood at least, haha!

Very much this. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. Please be merry and Cole Cuddle as you'd like.

[Exaltation]

This totally makes me think of Cole:

[Grieving Natashina]

This was my song for Cole:

 

 

Lyrics below:

Spoiler

 

How can you see into my eyes like open doors?

Leading you down into my core where I've become so numb

Without a soul my spirit's sleeping somewhere cold

Until you find it there and lead it back home

 

(Wake me up)

Wake me up inside

(I can't wake up)

Wake me up inside

(Save me)

Call my name and save me from the dark

(Wake me up)

Bid my blood to run

(I can't wake up)

Before I come undone

(Save me)

Save me from the nothing I've become

 

Now that I know what I'm without

You can't just leave me

Breathe into me and make me real

Bring me to life

 

(Wake me up)

Wake me up inside

(I can't wake up)

Wake me up inside

(Save me)

Call my name and save me from the dark

(Wake me up)

Bid my blood to run

(I can't wake up)

Before I come undone

(Save me)

Save me from the nothing I've become

 

Bring me to life

(I've been living a lie, there's nothing inside)

Bring me to life

 

Frozen inside without your touch

Without your love, darling

Only you are the life among the dead

 

(All this time I can't believe I couldn't see)

(Kept in the dark but you were there in front of me)

I've been sleeping a thousand years it seems

Got to open my eyes to everything

(Without a thought, without a voice, without a soul)

(Don't let me die here)

(There must be something more)

Bring me to life

 

(Wake me up)

Wake me up inside

(I can't wake up)

Wake me up inside

(Save me)

Call my name and save me from the dark

(Wake me up)

Bid my blood to run

(I can't wake up)

Before I come undone

(Save me)

Save me from the nothing I've become

 

Bring me to life

(I've been living a lie, there's nothing inside)

Bring me to life

 

Any reference to love in the song reminds me of his love of Rhys and Eva as his dearest friends.

[Fialka]

Yea ive started just not even looking at some threads because there so full of toxic and hate.

No toxic hate here, I assure you. (At least, I don't think so?) Just people with strong opinions who are never going to agree but like to hear themselves talk! (see themselves type, er... Whatever)

[Eveangaline]

 

Yea ive started just not even looking at some threads because there so full of toxic and hate

The solution is if it's mostly one or two people causing the problem, just set those folks to ignore so you can't see their posts

[Kisari]

I dont think the book actually tells us how many years have passed since the original Cole's death. All we know is that Cole died when he was 12, but somehow the spirit Cole appears about 20. Rhys doesn't actually interact with him long enough for him to visibly age during that time. We know the body needs sleep/food etc to survive. Anything about his nature beyond that is speculation. Maybe we'll find out in the game.

It could even be the original Cole's body. We're not actually sure it was destroyed. The book only tells us the evidence he existed was destroyed to hide the Templars' shame. It could be that they realized they forgot about him, discovered him missing, and destroyed the records. A wild theory I know, and there's the phylactery issue, but since we're speculating here...

In the end of Asunder when Lambert calls him a demon, it says "He wasn't real. And just like that. Cole faded away."
He is then gone until the last chapter when he returns to attack Lambert. If he had simply gone invisible, Rhys would still have been able to see him. If he was possessing a body, the body would have stayed behind when Cole(the spirit) left it to wherever he went. Like with Justice's ending slides where he gives Kristoff's wife his body back and the body drops onto her doorstep as he leaves it.

[Fortlowe]

No toxic hate here, I assure you. (At least, I don't think so?) Just people with strong opinions who are never going to agree but like to hear themselves talk! (see themselves type, er... Whatever)

Well it is a forum, so rhetoric is sort of the point. Otherwise it'd be like:

 

Poster 1: Cole is dreamy!

Poster 2: No it isn't.

 

End of line.

[cogsandcurls]

Oooh, are we doing songs? Because I've had one sitting in my DA playlist just for him for years now

 

 

Long before you were born

You were always to be a dagger floating straight to their heart

 

You're not invisible, now

You just don't exist

[The Elder King]

The girl specifically states she meant to set the fire and kill her family.

Was she aware that she was a mage? If not, she just had the desire. She didn't actually think she'd be able to do so.
Though I'm probably recalling it wrong.

[SnakeCode]

I don't feel particularly aggressive... I rather enjoy a debate myself. I like being asked questions that make me think. Because sometimes when I think I come up with cool stuff to say...

Also, talking about Sera's reaction to Cole is fine to discuss in this thread, as it pertains directly to the topic of this thread. Personally I'll reserve judging her character one way or the other until I meet her in the game. If I'm willing to give Cole a chance to earn my trust, I'll certainly give Sera the opportunity to evolve as well

Same here, I was rather enjoying the discussion. I apologise if my posts were causing others to become aggressive though, it wasn't my intent to do so. I understand that people grow very attached to these characters, and are always ready to "defend" them at a moments notice from the more cynical among us, but I think as long as it stays friendly then debate is a good thing. It's one of my favourite things about posting here.

[Faerah]

"I said I didn't mean to burn it down. That's what I told them, too. But I lied." The confession spilled out of her like cold venom. "I listened to my mother, my father, all of them screaming, and I did nothing. I wanted them to burn. I'm glad they're dead."

[The Elder King]

"I said I didn't mean to burn it down. That's what I told them, too. But I lied." The confession spilled out of her like cold venom. "I listened to my mother, my father, all of them screaming, and I did nothing. I wanted them to burn. I'm glad they're dead."

Well, she didn't exactly say she intentionally created the fire, which is what I meant that it wasn't intentional.

[Fortlowe]

Well, she didn't exactly say she intentionally created the fire, which is what I meant that it wasn't intentional.

I think she may have had cause or it might really have been an accident and she just wanted to sound tough. Most kids wouldn't murder their folks because they're grounded for breaking curfew. But it isn't elaborated on so, like many things regarding Cole. It is open to interpretation.

[The Elder King]

I think she may have had cause or it might really have been an accident and she just wanted to sound tough. Most kids wouldn't murder their folks because they're grounded for breaking curfew. But it isn't elaborated on so, like many things regarding Cole. It is open to interpretation.

Agreed.

[Roxy]

Okay I admit I was a bit skeptical on Cole when they mentioned him last week and saw his picture  ...but he sparked my interest so I bought Asunder last night and finished reading it earlier today (good way to keep me busy while waiting for Solas info  ) it was a very good book and I want to read it again lol. Can't wait to meet him in the game.

 

 

And about the girl that burned her house down with her parents in it...it sounds to me she did it on purpose, She pretty much confesses that she did it and she is glad that her parents are dead. 

[BlueFlame527]

No toxic hate here, I assure you. (At least, I don't think so?) Just people with strong opinions who are never going to agree but like to hear themselves talk! (see themselves type, er... Whatever)

I admit to doing this sometimes.

 

Anyways I figure that Cole is not going to be the type to have his opinions valued. He seems to be the underdog of the whole group. Vivienne will probably not like him just for on the chance of him being a demon. Sera apparently from what we know does not like him. Varric and Cassandra I could see him being very cautious around him but indifferent. Dorian I admit is a mystery as there is not really much indication on his stance with Cole. It seems so far that Solas would be the only one to be interested in getting to know him.

What does everyone else think?