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[EkhidnaDrakaina]

 

This song reminds me of him too. Yay for covers of eighties music.

 

Edit: Figuring how to embed that was a pain in the ass.

[Magocracy]

So, I have been lurking since this thread's inception, and I've finally popped in (after creating a new account, no less!) to say...

 

I absolutely adore all of you. And I really look forward to seeing Cole in Inquisition and finally figuring out what happened to Lambert! 

 

I'm finally jumping in on the discussion after months of debating it! (I also have a fanmix to link you guys, but I'll wait until I have a few more posts.)

So, I know it's been covered in the thread already, but what do you think happened to Lambert? (Now that we know that Cole isn't possessing him or anything crazy, we can rule that out.) Was it really something as simple as killing him? Or do you think Lambert was released, and fled Orlais? 

[Meeszy Alexy]

Dammit my head is going 'Nope no Cole in your party that is stupid he will betray you he is a demon evil bad bad nope'

 

And my heart is going 'COME HERE AND LET ME HUG YOU AND STAY WITH THE INQUISITION FOREVER'

 

Well, we don't know if he's a demon for sure, and I doubt he'd betray the Inquisitor for shallow reasons. (Shallow being "i'm a demon muahahaha") Nothing wrong with being wary though, even if he is most likely going to be the underdog/sweetheart of the party.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

Edit: Figuring how to embed that was a pain in the ass.

Odd, all I had to do is paste the link from youtube and the video automatically embedded. 

 

Great choice, by the way.  

[Gervaise]

I think it is politer to refer to Cole as a Spirit.   Only Lambert called him a demon and he was a tad prejudiced.    This is not to say he is "safe".   As Merrill said, all spirits are dangerous.   However, even Ishmael objected to being called a demon.   Justice/Vengence likewise - it was Ella calling him a demon that made him see her as associated with the Templars.     The simple definition of Spirit = good, Demon = bad is also misleading.     Pure spirits do not have a morality as such - just an affiliation to an emotion/idea.    Justice is a perfect example of this.   It seems like a good attribute to want to encourage but it can have its downside in being cold, heartless and merciless.   Anders tried to excuse the change in Justice by saying it was his desire for revenge that changed him.    That could be true or it could simply be that Anders did not appreciate that may be Justice had become warped by his own paradox: Justice for one group of people may result in injustice for another.    This is why single attribute motivations should be avoided.    Thankfully Cole seems to be growing beyond his original motivation but is still a work in progress. 

[SnakeCode]

Honestly, the first song that came into my head when thinking of Cole was this.

 

[Mistic]

I think it is politer to refer to Cole as a Spirit.   Only Lambert called him a demon and he was a tad prejudiced.    This is not to say he is "safe".   As Merrill said, all spirits are dangerous.   However, even Ishmael objected to being called a demon.   Justice/Vengence likewise - it was Ella calling him a demon that made him see her as associated with the Templars.     The simple definition of Spirit = good, Demon = bad is also misleading.     Pure spirits do not have a morality as such - just an affiliation to an emotion/idea.    Justice is a perfect example of this.   It seems like a good attribute to want to encourage but it can have its downside in being cold, heartless and merciless.   Anders tried to excuse the change in Justice by saying it was his desire for revenge that changed him.    That could be true or it could simply be that Anders did not appreciate that may be Justice had become warped by his own paradox: Justice for one group of people may result in injustice for another.    This is why single attribute motivations should be avoided.    Thankfully Cole seems to be growing beyond his original motivation but is still a work in progress. 

 

But if that's true, which was Cole's initial single attribute motivation?

[SnakeCode]

But if that's true, which was Cole's initial single attribute motivation?

Some think he was a spirit of mercy. I disagree,  mercy is subjective, but then so is justice. So it's entirely possible.

 

I still think he is/was a demon of despair.

[Exaltation]

PewDiePie voice actor!

[Gervaise]

I think it was more likely mercy/compassion.   Even now PW says he is drawn to people who are suffering and wants to comfort them without expecting gratitude in return.   I think a spirit of despair would not have "held his hand" which is in itself a comforting gesture and would not want to end people's suffering but prolong it.   I suppose getting them to "look into my eyes" could be so he could see their despair as they are about to die but except for Lambert, I don't think that's the case.   Remember when Wolverine stabs Jean and just before she dies, she looks relieved and at peace because she has been freed of her alter ego?  I think that is what happens with his original victims, although I could be wrong.     It is also possible that all spirits are like a two edged sword, so what seems a positive attribute can be flipped over into a negative.   So in Lambert's case the spirit was not longer seeking to show him mercy but was attacking him because he showed such lack of it to others and was looking forward to showing no mercy to the rebel mages.

 

As I keep saying, to role play correctly I am going to have to ignore both what is in Asunder and what PW has told us and concentrate simply on what I am presented with in game.    A prime example of this in DA2 was Anders.   After Awakening I was so looking forward to having him as a companion and love interest and then the reality was way different to what I had anticipated.     I never could continue the romance on past him trying to kill Ella, no matter how hard I tried to find a way that my Hawke might overlook it.   Other people could but I couldn't.      

 

So I like finding out a bit about companions before the game but I'm going to be treading carefully about committing myself to any of them.

[Meeszy Alexy]

PewDiePie voice actor!

 

...Please tell me you're joking. 

[Mistic]

Some think he was a spirit of mercy. I disagree,  mercy is subjective, but then so is justice. So it's entirely possible.

 

I still think he is/was a demon of despair.

 

Maybe he can be both? Justice in DA2 proved that even spirits can change. Justice could become Vengeance, so maybe Mercy could become Despair. Or the other way around, after all, from Despair to Mercy. For every story about a fallen angel, there's also a redeemed villain.

 

As I keep saying, to role play correctly I am going to have to ignore both what is in Asunder and what PW has told us and concentrate simply on what I am presented with in game.    A prime example of this in DA2 was Anders.   After Awakening I was so looking forward to having him as a companion and love interest and then the reality was way different to what I had anticipated.     I never could continue the romance on past him trying to kill Ella, no matter how hard I tried to find a way that my Hawke might overlook it.   Other people could but I couldn't.      

 

So I like finding out a bit about companions before the game but I'm going to be treading carefully about committing myself to any of them.

 

Yes, that's why I love role play so mcuh in games like Bioware's that reward it. Sometimes I surprise myself not only about the companions, but about the player character themselves. I suppose in the end it will be about knowledge. Probably, a big part of the knowledge we already have will be shown early. For example, Anders in DA2 never hided that he was a former Grey Warden and that he had been on the run from Templars many times. So maybe Cole will admit beforehand what he did in the White Spire, or a NPC will tell us.

[A.Kazama]

I hope we'll be able to influence cole like we did with the little girl in jade empire.


I'll play a good run in the first game, but after that I want cole to follow me along the war path!

[cogsandcurls]

I hope we'll be able to influence cole like we did with the little girl in jade empire.


I'll play a good run in the first game, but after that I want cole to follow me along the war path!

 

I'll be really interested to see if he's able to be heavily influenced by the Inquisitor like this.

 

Asunder!Cole gave the impression that once you'd earned his trust and loyalty he'd follow you to the ends of the earth without question. Like, if Rhys had for whatever reason done something really unethical in Asunder then I can't imagine Cole would have ever taken a moral stand and not sided with his friend.

 

On the other hand, Patrick's interview/the marketing material seems to suggest he's developed a moral code that isn't entirely defined by other people, and that he might just up and vanish from the side of an Inquisitor going against what Cole thinks is the right thing to do - that sounds like a person far less likely to be heavily influenced than the person he was back in Asunder. I'm really intrigued.

[Fialka]

I'm curious how the visibility/memory thing will be handled. Toward the end of the book he started learning how to control his invisibility. I wonder if he can control whether or not he's remembered as well? I just wonder in regards to our companions.

It would be interesting how they deal with his disappearance if he can. Like, if he chooses to leave, he won't actually tell you. I could imagine him suddenly not being anywhere in the Keep, and when you ask the others if they've seen him the response is "Cole who?"

But I agree it sounds as if he's come into his own a bit now that he's come to terms with what he is. It seems he won't be as malleable as people initially might have imagined.

[Meeszy Alexy]

I'll be really interested to see if he's able to be heavily influenced by the Inquisitor like this.

 

Asunder!Cole gave the impression that once you'd earned his trust and loyalty he'd follow you to the ends of the earth without question. Like, if Rhys had for whatever reason done something really unethical in Asunder then I can't imagine Cole would have ever taken a moral stand and not sided with his friend.

 

On the other hand, Patrick's interview/the marketing material seems to suggest he's developed a moral code that isn't entirely defined by other people, and that he might just up and vanish from the side of an Inquisitor going against what Cole thinks is the right thing to do - that sounds like a person far less likely to be heavily influenced than the person he was back in Asunder. I'm really intrigued.

 

It also means that there are things in game that Cole might object to, which is interesting. What sort of actions would offend him in-game, I wonder? How has his sense of right and wrong developed? I'd gotten the impression that his moral code in Asunder was basically "anything that Rhys doesn't agree with", but like you said, the marketing/interview suggest otherwise, that he's changed a little more than I thought he would since those events, and isn't as easily influenced as he was then. That only makes me more excited though!

 

One thing I love doing with characters I like is dissecting them (not literally, ick) and trying to figure out what all the parts (along with the sum of the parts) mean, analysing it all and contemplating their thought processes. Yes, that sounded really geeky, but I am fascinated by this sort of thing, especially when that character's a favourite of mine, and Cole was my favourite in Asunder because he was the most interesting, and there were a lot of questions unanswered by the end of the story about him. So things like "how has Cole's moral code since Asunder developed?" really fascinate me.   

[yullyuk]

*SOME MINOR SPOILERS*

 

im pretty positive he is a spirit, reason being, if anyone is possessed by a demon they become an abomination and seek to kill all, whereas with the cases of anders and wynne and also cole, they dont have any adverse effects on the host physically, but because spirits embody a specific emotion they interact differently with there hosts, anders was more driven towards justice for all mages when he joined with justice, wynne was rescued by a spirit of compassion of some sort and she was a very loving and compassionate person, but in her case the spirit appeared to have no influence on her at all other than keeping her alive for a longer time than she needed, whereas with cole, he took mercy on those who where by all accounts, in a great deal of pain and suffering and took mercy on them in what he thought was there time of need. Now if this comes to light in inquistion will remain to be seen, but i myself am almost positive he isnt a demon but a spirit trapped in between the fade and thedas.

[Roxy]

*SOME MINOR SPOILERS*

 

im pretty positive he is a spirit, reason being, if anyone is possessed by a demon they become an abomination and seek to kill all, whereas with the cases of anders and wynne and also cole, they dont have any adverse effects on the host physically, but because spirits embody a specific emotion they interact differently with there hosts, anders was more driven towards justice for all mages when he joined with justice, wynne was rescued by a spirit of compassion of some sort and she was a very loving and compassionate person, but in her case the spirit appeared to have no influence on her at all other than keeping her alive for a longer time than she needed, whereas with cole, he took mercy on those who where by all accounts, in a great deal of pain and suffering and took mercy on them in what he thought was there time of need. Now if this comes to light in inquistion will remain to be seen, but i myself am almost positive he isnt a demon but a spirit trapped in between the fade and thedas.

 

Darn ran out of likes!

 

And I do agree with you! 

[BlueFlame527]

Some think he was a spirit of mercy. I disagree,  mercy is subjective, but then so is justice. So it's entirely possible.

 

I still think he is/was a demon of despair.

This reminds me of something. I hope "Spirit" is Varric's nickname for him.

[Faerah]

[PW]: Absolutely. Vivienne is as loyal a Circle mage as you’ll find, so having this scruffy little hedge mage pop in and say, “You’re all close-minded, you should be making friends with spirits,” causes her to get icily disdainful as only Vivienne can. Solas and the Iron Bull also spar over Qunari beliefs, as Solas believes in freedom of thought more than anything else, and the Qunari tend to be pretty rigid there. On the other hand, Solas and Cole get along rather wonderfully.

[DA]: Because Cole is a spirit?

[PW]: Yes; Cole is trying to figure out what that means, and Solas can answer a lot of Cole’s questions. The two of them have fascinating talks about what it means to be a spirit, usually with the rest of the party watching the two with these narrow-eyed “What the what?” looks.

 

From the Solas interview.

 

Wow PW is writing 3 characters? o.o

[Kisari]

[PW]: Absolutely. Vivienne is as loyal a Circle mage as you’ll find, so having this scruffy little hedge mage pop in and say, “You’re all close-minded, you should be making friends with spirits,” causes her to get icily disdainful as only Vivienne can. Solas and the Iron Bull also spar over Qunari beliefs, as Solas believes in freedom of thought more than anything else, and the Qunari tend to be pretty rigid there. On the other hand, Solas and Cole get along rather wonderfully.

[DA]: Because Cole is a spirit?

[PW]: Yes; Cole is trying to figure out what that means, and Solas can answer a lot of Cole’s questions. The two of them have fascinating talks about what it means to be a spirit, usually with the rest of the party watching the two with these narrow-eyed “What the what?” looks.

 

From the Solas interview.

 

Wow PW is writing 3 characters? o.o

I'm surprised too. But I like his writing so hopefully everything doesn't hurt too much...

Also yay elf&spirit buddies! This makes me so happy. I think I am definitely gonna go Solas/Cass/Cole most of the time.

[Tootles FTW]

Cole has a FRIEND, you guys.

 

[Solas]

Cole bby dont worry me and Solas are gonna take great care of you

[Lambdadelta]

Cole has a FRIEND, you guys.

 

 

I'm just... so happy