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[Fortlowe]

I'd like an explanation as to how Cole left the Fade to begin with. It wasn't by possessing the Boy. Cole died. My understanding, with on notable exception in the Blackmarsh, is that a spirit crossing the Veil requires a host. The exception being the pride demon that sacrificed a darkspawn to crossover. Is that how the creature did it too?

[Phate Phoenix]

I'd like an explanation as to how Cole left the Fade to begin with. It wasn't by possessing the Boy. Cole died. My understanding, with on notable exception in the Blackmarsh, is that a spirit crossing the Veil requires a host. The exception being the pride demon that sacrificed a darkspawn to crossover. Is that how the creature did it too?

 

Well, the spirit could have accidentally bound itself to Cole, the boy. According to Wynne, her spirit of Faith didn't mean to bind itself to her, so perhaps the same thing happened here, and Cole, the spirit, just can't quite remember it? (Or maybe he does, now.) We'll have to wait and see.

[ClassicBox]

True about the body. I still wonder if spirits/demons can just cross over. 

 

Also, good point. Isn't it stated spirits/demons can survive in the 'mortal' world without a host.

 

"As with most spirits, it is essentially impossible for demons to survive in the mortal world without possessing a host. "

 

From the Dragon Age Wiki.

 

Gahh. I wonder what Cole is, then.
Edit: I think he is a shade.

 

"Despite the numerous examples of demonic possession shades prove that demons do not have to possess in order to cross over. They are demons in their true form. In time, such a demon will learn to drain energy from the psyche of those it encounters, just as they did in the Fade. Once it has drained enough, it has the power to manifest. Such creatures do not seek to possess a host and instead exist as a shadow, feeding off the minds of those it encounters"

[BlueFlame527]

True about the body. I still wonder if spirits/demons can just cross over. 

 

Also, good point. Isn't it stated spirits/demons can survive in the 'mortal' world without a host.

 

"As with most spirits, it is essentially impossible for demons to survive in the mortal world without possessing a host. "

 

From the Dragon Age Wiki.

 

Gahh. I wonder what Cole is, then.
Edit: I think he is a shade.

That reminds me of the spirits at The Temple of Sacred Ashes or the Dwarven spirits  in the deep roads. Maybe Cole was like them to begin with and something changed him?

[KirstyLionheart]

See, what always confused me was how in Asunder, I recall "Cole" saying to Lambert how he held human-Cole's hand in the dark until the end, well, along those lines. Unless I'm missing a vital point to Cole's story, doesn't this say he was alive until the demon/spirit did something to stop his pain and suffering, just like Cole continued to do to the rest of the mages? Something in the back of my mind is telling me we were told of human-Cole's death but I honestly can't recall lol. I'm useless at remembering important things.

[ClassicBox]

Yeah, he's a mystery. Hopefully we will finally find out more about how he came to be! (Maybe with the help of a bald elf friend? o3o) Maybe he's just something odd that hasn't happened before. 

 

So far I'm gunning on the shade/demon that is turning spirit. But as stated, when he first came in contact with human Cole it didn't seem as if he had malicious intent. And why does this Cole have to eat/sleep? So many questions, so none at all answers. x3

[BioFan (Official)]

CHART TIME!!!

I pieced together information from all the character Q&A's with the writers. 

Click on image to enlarge




Poor Cole   
At least he has Iron Bull and Solas 
 

[SnakeCode]

This would be cuter if we didn't know that

Spoiler

Cole murdered his father

Not to mention 

Spoiler

a lot of other people.

 

[Roxy]

 

CHART TIME!!!

I pieced together information from all the character Q&A's with the writers. 

Click on image to enlarge




Poor Cole   
At least he has Iron Bull and Solas 
 

 

 

Cool chart Eric thanks for posting it!

 

 

 

Also I want to say that I love the new title to the Cole Thread Cole and Solas BFF...that's Awesome! 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Cole's father killed his mother and was trying to kill him. I'd say that's safely in the "self defense" spectrum, not murder.  

[KirstyLionheart]

I wonder if he's helping people now because he feels it makes him become more human? I know that sounds crazy but.. we just don't know exactly how Cole thinks right now. We do know he's definitely a spirit of some sort, as of late (mentioned in Solas' interview), but this doesn't mean he doesn't want to be human or think it impossible. For all we know, it is possible, and just something we don't know about. Or he just generally thinks it's possible. I'm not necessarily saying he's being good to get something back from it, because it's clearly stated he wants no recognition - but what caused him to think this way? Just wild wild crazy speculation, guys. Semi-cereal

This also might be why he wears cute, ridiculous hats. He's seen too many human Orlesian's with their crazy fashion.

"b-but.. I'm just trying to fit in like any ordinary Orlesian, inquisitor" *puppy eyes*

[Nocte ad Mortem]

True. I wouldn't even call what he did to his sister murder.

I believe it was totally by accident. I don't think he understood at all that he was hurting her.

 

But these are also just our Cole's implanted memories. The spirit Cole wasn't there when human Cole's family died. He only found human Cole in the Spire. 

[cogsandcurls]

A+ work on that chart, Ericander!

 

I'm still holding out hope that sooner or later you'll be able to fill out the little Varric-Cole squares with something friendly-sounding!

[KirstyLionheart]

I think he wants to help because Rhys helped him. It may have actually even stated that in the book; can't quite remember.

 

I did mention this in an earlier post, that this change may have stemmed from his relationship with Rhys. However I can't help but think there is more to it than that.

[Zellya]

This would be cuter if we didn't know that

Spoiler

Cole murdered his father

 

Besides, Who said it is his father in the picture? Maybe it's the Inquisitor. Or Rys. Or Solas.

 

[KirstyLionheart]

Besides, Who said it is his father in the picture? Maybe it's the Inquisitor. Or Rys. Or Solas.

 

 

When I first saw it, I thought it was baby Cole holding adult Cole's hand..

[Zellya]

I believe it was totally by accident. I don't think he understood at all that he was hurting her.

 

But these are also just our Cole's implanted memories. The spirit Cole wasn't there when human Cole's family died. He only found human Cole in the Spire. 

 

Remember, spirits/demons can read minds, or at least they can do something comparable. The spirit Cole could have easily "seen" the events that happened to the original Cole in his mind at some point during the time they were together. The events shown in the Fade were probably close to accurate, or at the very least as close to how the original Cole remembered it as we can get.

[AresKeith]

Really interested in what interactions between Leliana and Cole will be like.

 

I wonder if he'll accidentally spy on Leliana like he did Evangeline 

[Meeszy Alexy]

Really interested in what interactions between Leliana and Cole will be like.

 

Somehow I think she (along with Vivienne) will probably be deeply offended by his lack of fashionable clothing, though because she's Leliana, she'll be much nicer about it. I actually think that, considering her past, she'll be one of the kindest people towards him, as long as she thinks he's making an effort to be a good person.

 

I wonder if he'll accidentally spy on Leliana like he did Evangeline 

 

 Oh dear god, will it be as awkward as it was in the book though, or more awkward now that he knows that watching people undress (accidentally or otherwise) without their knowledge/consent is a bad idea?

[cogsandcurls]

I wonder if he'll accidentally spy on Leliana like he did Evangeline 

 

Doubt it. He apologised to Evangeline the minute he realised that sort of behaviour upset her.

[Kisari]

True about the body. I still wonder if spirits/demons can just cross over. 

 

Also, good point. Isn't it stated spirits/demons can survive in the 'mortal' world without a host.

 

"As with most spirits, it is essentially impossible for demons to survive in the mortal world without possessing a host. "

 

From the Dragon Age Wiki.

 

Gahh. I wonder what Cole is, then.
Edit: I think he is a shade.

 

"Despite the numerous examples of demonic possession shades prove that demons do not have to possess in order to cross over. They are demons in their true form. In time, such a demon will learn to drain energy from the psyche of those it encounters, just as they did in the Fade. Once it has drained enough, it has the power to manifest. Such creatures do not seek to possess a host and instead exist as a shadow, feeding off the minds of those it encounters"

This makes me think he was some sort of spirit drawn to the suffering of the human Cole, "drained" his memories/psyche(whether subconsciously or not), until he died. This possibly giving him enough power to manifest. It's stated that the veil is thin at the White Spire also. I really don't think Cole is a corpse, it would make a lot of stuff that happened nonsensical. But then nothing always makes sense anyways. I'm hoping he knows and will be able to tell us himself honestly.

Edit: Also if he was in a corpse, when he poofed near the end of Asunder, it would have left the body behind like it did with Justice/Kristoff in Awakening.