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[Fortlowe]

I bet he wants to catch Cole fans up in a contradiction or something. 

Or something.

 

Was the Baroness human when 'she' left the Fade?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Was the Baroness human when she left the Fade?

No, that was just a Pride Demon possessing the woman known as the Baroness.

To paraphrase Uldred, "I am the Baroness, yet not the Baroness." 

[Fortlowe]

How did the Baroness leave the Fade?

[Grieving Natashina]

I bet he wants to catch Cole fans up in a contradiction or something. 

 

Then may I request that the quizz stops?

 

This isn't going to prove anything.  More to the point, it isn't going to change anyone's mind.  We can pick apart the details of the games and books, but I don't think those that love Cole are going to change their minds, and I don't think those that hate Cole are going to either.

 

Instead of the quizzes, why don't we celebrate Cole's inclusion?  If someone is not in a celebrating mood, and thinks that Cole just needs the murderknife, then please leave the thread.  If you don't like him, that's fine, but there is no need to badger his fans with Twenty Questions in order to prove some kind of point.  It's killing the mood.  

 

Love both of these. 

 

Aw, look at Cole comfort the little girl soul. 

That bottom picture is my favorite.  That shows how tender I think Cole is as a person.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How did the Baroness leave the Fade?

She used the life force of The First to send her, the Warden and companions, and Justice to the World of the Living. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Then may I request that the quizz stops?

 

This isn't going to prove anything.  More to the point, it isn't going to change anyone's mind.  We can pick apart the details of the games and books, but I don't think those that love Cole are going to change their minds, and I don't think those that hate Cole are going to either.

 

Instead of the quizzes, why don't we celebrate Cole's inclusion?  If someone is not in a celebrating mood, and thinks that Cole just needs the murderknife, then please leave the thread.  If you don't like him, that's fine, but there is no need to badger his fans with Twenty Questions in order to prove some kind of point.  It's killing the mood.  

 

That bottom picture is my favorite.  That shows how tender I think Cole is as a person.

I'm open to celebrating Cole's inclusion. Before his announcement, I was conflicted on whether Sera or Varric would be my main Rogue, but after Patrick's interview about him Cole was chosen for that role. 

 

Yeah, that bottom picture is how I hope he'll be ingame. I still love how he leaves bread on the battlements, especially if it is to help some soldiers who were complaining about being hungry so decided to help like I imagine. 

[Fortlowe]

Did the Baroness require a host?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Did the Baroness require a host?

Before I decide to answer or not, what is the point in your line of questioning? 

[Grieving Natashina]

I think I'll treat him much differently on different characters. If I feel like fighting for the previous status quo, then Cole would have no place in the world. Or any spirits. Or even mage freedom. It's just a consistent frame of mind I'd shoot for here.

 

If I was more open to everything, then there's a spot for Cole as well.

I never thought of that way, but you have an excellent point.  The only issue I have with Cole being in my party is the possibility of rogue overkill.  I'm going to be a rogue and Varric never leaves my party.  Which means, if I do go three rogues, it's down between Sera and Cole.  I don't want to go with a full rogue party my first time.  While funny, I sense much pain the future and I'd rather do a full completion of the game first.  It looks like I might have to do some swapping so I can see more of his story.

 

The DA team keeps writing these amazing characters, and now I can't decide which one I want. #firstworldproblem

[Fortlowe]

Before I decide to answer or not, what is the point in your line of questioning? 

 

To make as impartial an argument as to the nature of Cole as possible.

[Eveangaline]

To make as impartial an argument as to the nature of Cole as possible.

So look up the answers yourselves and then post them, and say why you're spouting the information.

[Grieving Natashina]

To make as impartial an argument as to the nature of Cole as possible.

We can debate/argue about it all night long, and, most likely, both of us would still be wrong.  Only the developers know exactly what Cole is, and they will give us clues through Solas' eyes.  All of the quizzes about spirits and the Fade aren't going to change that.   

 

For me, I'm looking forward to meeting Solas, because he'll be our way of learning about Cole.  At this point, if we want to know exactly what Cole is, we'll just have to play the game to find out.   Why don't we do that, instead of playing Twenty Questions about Fade lore?

 

 

So look up the answers yourself and then post them, and say why you're spouting the information.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We can debate/argue about it all night long, and, most likely, both of us would still be wrong.  Only the developers know exactly what Cole is, and they will give us clues through Solas' eyes.  All of the quizzes about spirits and the Fade aren't going to change that.   

 

For me, I'm looking forward to meeting Solas, because he'll be our way of learning about Cole.  At this point, if we want to know exactly what Cole is, we'll just have to play the game to find out.   Why don't we do that, instead of playing Twenty Questions about Fade lore?

 

I know what Cole is. Cole is Cole.

[Grieving Natashina]

I know what Cole is. Cole is Cole.

That's more of a "who," but that's the part I care about.  For now, I don't care what he is on the demon/spirit spectrum.  I like who he is as a person, and he looks like he'll largely still be the same boy that was in Asunder.   I'm torn between him and Sera in my party, but he'll end up with a rotating position for sure.  

[Faerah]

Pop quiz was at least marginally useful to me. I forgot he dreamed. Isn't dreaming a mortal only thing?

[Eveangaline]

I think it's already clear enough what Cole is. He finally admits to coming to the boy and "helping" him (and not actually being the boy at all), and the Litany of Adralla also seems to work against his powers.

 

The only question is if you think he belongs here. Some people didn't mind Anders and Wynne either, so it'll much the same for them in this case, I think. For some players, the presence of spirits is cool and something interesting. I find it kind of reckless personally. Novelty is not a good enough reason for me.

 

The rhyming tree didn't seem to be hurting anyone.

[Grieving Natashina]

Pop quiz was at least marginally useful to me. I forgot he dreamed. Isn't dreaming a mortal only thing?

Not all mortals, but we don't know if spirits can dream.  This is a very unique set of circumstances.  Cole has this big question mark next to his existence.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I think it's already clear enough what Cole is. He finally admits to coming to the boy and "helping" him (and not actually being the boy at all), and the Litany of Adralla also seems to work against his powers.

 

The only question is if you think he belongs here. Some people didn't mind Anders and Wynne either, so it'll much the same for them in this case, I think. For some players, the presence of spirits is cool and something interesting. I find it kind of reckless personally. Novelty is not a good enough reason for me.

That still doesn't explain what Cole is.  At all.  If he was a spirit, he wouldn't care as much about mortals, since they usually stay away from the material realm.  If he was a demon, he certainly would have acted much more overtly demonic by now.  All we know is that somehow, he was using blood magic in some way.  That doesn't tell me anything, other than he's a huge unknown.

 

I think his story and the Fade breach are going to have some very interesting ties.  It isn't a novelty for me (no, that would be a female dwarven romance,) but another way to look at the Fade and at Thedas as a whole.  Justice was all well and good, but he was obviously a fish out of water.  Cole isn't the case and that's what makes him unique to me.

[Eveangaline]

I kill it most of the time. And the Mad Hermit as well. lol

Not the tree!

[Grieving Natashina]

You do make a good point about the overall story of the Fade breach. The main plot makes it better than mere novelty, I admit. And I'd like to explore this content myself.

 

I'm just growing weary of possessed and/or spirit companions though.. If there wasn't this main plot with the Fade tying things together, it'd be hard see to the benefit for me.

More than fair enough.  It does seem like a DA tradition, although I didn't mind Wynne most of the time.  Well, except when she butted her nose into my Warden's and Alistair's love life.   Anders though... yeah.  So I can see why you're getting a little tired of it.  

 

As a general statement: best way to justify Cole in your party if you don't like him is to take that mentality of "keep your friends close, your enemies closer."  I doubt you'll be able to murderknife him, so why not keep an eye on him.  Let him use his powers for your side, rather than let him wander off into the world.  If he is a demon, then you are in the best position to deal with him and as the Inquisitor, you should be able to see through anything you perceive as trick.