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[efd731]

But they burnt cole's corpse to ashes, so how could that be?

[efd731]

How do we know he looks like original cole? How do we know that he isn't just a crude look-alike?

[KirstyLionheart]

Just going to leave my love here in the Cole thread since I'm pretty much going back to lurking for the most part (:

(unless we have some massive Cole info leak.. in which case I'll be back, sorry )

[Kisari]

Just going to leave my love here in the Cole thread since I'm pretty much going back to lurking for the most part (:

(unless we have some massive Cole info leak.. in which case I'll be back, sorry )

Hopefully at an upcoming convention they'll show him in the party or something and we'll have more actual DA:I Cole to talk about! Now that he's announced I'm hoping he'll be included in more party compositions in videos and stuff like that.

Edit: And crossing fingers that his VA got an interview thingy also.

[KirstyLionheart]

Hopefully at an upcoming convention they'll show him in the party or something and we'll have more actual DA:I Cole to talk about! Now that he's announced I'm hoping he'll be included in more party compositions in videos and stuff like that.

Edit: And crossing fingers that his VA got an interview thingy also.

 

Yeah well, if any of this turns out to be true, you won't be able to get rid of me

It's crazy.. we wait so long for screenshots/pics and info of Cole, then when you get it, there really isn't that much to talk about with it.. yeah it lasts for a few weeks(if that) because of all the hype and whatnot, but quickly dies down and gets frustrating when you are as impatient as me. Just want more more more ^^'

But yes. I hope for some new videos with Cole, perhaps a VA interview

[Devtek]

There hasn't been much on resurrection in dragon age except necromancy, which is not a happy resurrection lol. 

The Veil being weak would probably affect Cole somehow, defiantly. Personally I think the spirit re-animated dead coles body. 

 

The resurrection that necromancy provides isn't really bringing someone back from the dead (seem to remember a quote of Wynn's stating that it is possible to bring someone back from the very threshold of death but after that line is crossed then it is impossible); more of forcing a spirit into the corpse of a dead thing so your second statement makes more sense IMO.

[Zellya]

There hasn't been much on resurrection in dragon age except necromancy, which is not a happy resurrection lol. 

The Veil being weak would probably affect Cole somehow, defiantly. Personally I think the spirit re-animated dead coles body. 

 

The problem with the reanimation theory is that if that was really the case then he wouldn't need to eat or sleep. There's also the fact that he in no way was rotting after it had been at least a year since the original Cole was brought to the circle and forgotten. So if it really is the original Cole's body, then the body at least is still alive.

[Fortlowe]

So reanimation is a more plausible conjecture than the theory that the spirit sacrificed Cole to cross the veil?

[The Elder King]

So reanimation is a more plausible conjecture than the theory that the spirit sacrificed Cole to cross the veil?

I don't think either is plausible. The former is more unplausible though.

[Gervaise]

I could be wrong but I think the reason he feels hunger, pain, etc, is that the memories he has from Cole tell him that he ought to feel these things, not because he actually does need food, drink, etc.    The spirit Cole has managed to manifest itself in a body that appears real and can interact with the world, just as Imshael could seem substantial, make an imprint on the grass, but it is a sophisticated illusion.   When you touch him, he appears real because that is how he imagines himself, but when he wants to be invisible, he is because that is how he wants to appear at that particular moment in time.   As a spirit he has the ability to control people's minds.   I've been re-reading Asunder and that is how it seems to me.

 

The only thing that mitigates against this is the fact that his outward appearance has changed from a boy to a young man of around 20.   I'm not sure why this would occur if the spirit was only making itself real on the basis of Cole's memories but I suppose it would know that people age and so that is why he does.

[Fortlowe]

I could be wrong but I think the reason he feels hunger, pain, etc, is that the memories he has from Cole tell him that he ought to feel these things, not because he actually does need food, drink, etc.    The spirit Cole has managed to manifest itself in a body that appears real and can interact with the world, just as Imshael could seem substantial, make an imprint on the grass, but it is a sophisticated illusion.   When you touch him, he appears real because that is how he imagines himself, but when he wants to be invisible, he is because that is how he wants to appear at that particular moment in time.   As a spirit he has the ability to control people's minds.   I've been re-reading Asunder and that is how it seems to me.

 

The only thing that mitigates against this is the fact that his outward appearance has changed from a boy to a young man of around 20.   I'm not sure why this would occur if the spirit was only making itself real on the basis of Cole's memories but I suppose it would know that people age and so that is why he does.

Or it could simply be the camouflage of a predator.

[nightcobra]

I could be wrong but I think the reason he feels hunger, pain, etc, is that the memories he has from Cole tell him that he ought to feel these things, not because he actually does need food, drink, etc.    The spirit Cole has managed to manifest itself in a body that appears real and can interact with the world, just as Imshael could seem substantial, make an imprint on the grass, but it is a sophisticated illusion.   When you touch him, he appears real because that is how he imagines himself, but when he wants to be invisible, he is because that is how he wants to appear at that particular moment in time.   As a spirit he has the ability to control people's minds.   I've been re-reading Asunder and that is how it seems to me.

 

The only thing that mitigates against this is the fact that his outward appearance has changed from a boy to a young man of around 20.   I'm not sure why this would occur if the spirit was only making itself real on the basis of Cole's memories but I suppose it would know that people age and so that is why he does.

 

If you believe yourself to be like any other normal human being, then why wouldn't you age like everyone else?

I believe that the entity we know as Cole, not knowing what he was, clung to the belief that he himself was human.

Like the spirit of valor once said:

 

"Do you believe these blades be steel? The staves be wood? Do you believe they draw blood? A weapon is a single need for battle, and my will makes that need reality."

 

Cole's will made him being a human, what he thinks a human is, a reality. hence his bodily functions and aging.

 

At least this is what i believe to be the case.

[Zellya]

I could be wrong but I think the reason he feels hunger, pain, etc, is that the memories he has from Cole tell him that he ought to feel these things, not because he actually does need food, drink, etc.    The spirit Cole has managed to manifest itself in a body that appears real and can interact with the world, just as Imshael could seem substantial, make an imprint on the grass, but it is a sophisticated illusion.   When you touch him, he appears real because that is how he imagines himself, but when he wants to be invisible, he is because that is how he wants to appear at that particular moment in time.   As a spirit he has the ability to control people's minds.   I've been re-reading Asunder and that is how it seems to me.

 

The only thing that mitigates against this is the fact that his outward appearance has changed from a boy to a young man of around 20.   I'm not sure why this would occur if the spirit was only making itself real on the basis of Cole's memories but I suppose it would know that people age and so that is why he does.

 

You're working on the common assumption that the original Cole was still a child when he was brought to the circle. We don't really know if that's a fact or not. I don't dispute that he was probably 12 when he killed his father, but it's also possible he lived on his own for five years or so before the templars discovered him. 

 

I do think your theory is very plausible and probably one of the more likely, though.

 

With all the stuff going on with Wynne in Asunder, I'm more sold on the theory that the spirit tried to save Cole in a similar way that Wynne's spirit had for her, but because the original Cole was so emotional/mentally broken from his ordeal he kinda forced the spirit to become the dominant personality. But of course, that's just me :3

[KC_Prototype]

Cole will feel my wrath of fury!

[twincast]

Cole will feel my hugs of fury!

[Joe25]

Cole will feel my hugs of fury!

Cole will listen to Papa's singing. I will show him the love of a parent.  

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[Lucidae]

After Cole was announced I decided to pick up Asunder to learn more about him. I've just finished the book and really like him! I really hope Solas is able to help him. I'm also curious about what antics he'll do since PW mentioned loaves of bread on the battlements lolol.

[Eveangaline]

Maybe the only reason cole had bodily functions like eating and sleeping so we can find out if spirits poop

......yeah I have no good theories

[Reznore57]

After Cole was announced I decided to pick up Asunder to learn more about him. I've just finished the book and really like him! I really hope Solas is able to help him. I'm also curious about what antics he'll do since PW mentioned loaves of bread on the battlements lolol.

 

Yeah.I'd like to see Cole doing funny things.

I mean there's a lot of tragedy around him.And I'm not sure he's going to evolve in a good way if the only choice in his life is kill or spare people.

Well we know he's able to form some friendship .

But I think he needs something to keep  him grounded .I don't know , some hobby.

[Lucidae]

Yeah.I'd like to see Cole doing funny things.
I mean there's a lot of tragedy around him.And I'm not sure he's going to evolve in a good way if the only choice in his life is kill or spare people.
Well we know he's able to form some friendship .
But I think he needs something to keep  him grounded .I don't know , some hobby.

I could see Solas helping him learn to control, refine, and use his abilities. He could spend a lot of time working on that. I could also see him become a bit of a prankster to Sera since she's so cold to him and tries not to acknowledge his existence. He could be trying to make her so upset at him that she'd have to acknowledge him. A very child thing to do....

[Reznore57]

I could see Solas helping him learn to control, refine, and use his abilities. He could spend a lot of time working on that. I could also see him become a bit of a prankster to Sera since she's so cold to him and tries not to acknowledge his existence. He could be trying to make her so upset at him that she'd have to acknowledge him. A very child thing to do....

 

Well I was thinking about finding "human" things to do.

Although pranks are always good.

[illymiel]

I must be crazy, but, Cole with dead eyes and zombie face looks cuter, for me, than other male companions. That sad face... My Quizzy must ressist and don't hug him too much. Not in front of Cass, her face makes me shiver.

[KirstyLionheart]

I must be crazy, but, Cole with dead eyes and zombie face looks cuter, for me, than other male companions. That sad face... My Quizzy must ressist and don't hug him too much. Not in front of Cass, her face makes me shiver.

 

Hey now. You hug him as much as you can!