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[Faerah]

Hm, so in the IGN demo that just happened, Lee mentioned the Inquisitor has an ability that banishes nearby demons. It apparently doesn't work on Cole (for obvious reasons, using a skill and losing a companion would be kind of silly). But the question is...is this a plot hole or is Cole definitely something else (something that can't be banished).

[Hellion Rex]

Hm, so in the IGN demo that just happened, Lee mentioned the Inquisitor has an ability that banishes nearby demons. It apparently doesn't work on Cole (for obvious reasons, using a skill and losing a companion would be kind of silly). But the question is...is this a plot hole or is Cole definitely something else (something that can't be banished).

It might be that it just targets hostile entities, which would exempt Cole.

[Faerah]

 

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[Faerah]

So I don't know anything about tarot cards or readings, but I had to figure out why there was a lobster/crayfish/whatever on Cole's card. It's apparently part of the Moon card? If anyone knows more and would like to elaborate, feel free. 

[Not a Cat Doll]

So I don't know anything about tarot cards or readings, but I had to figure out why there was a lobster/crayfish/whatever on Cole's card. It's apparently part of the Moon card? If anyone knows more and would like to elaborate, feel free. 

The moon is the guiding planet for the sign of Cancer. Cancer is commonly symbolized by a crab now, but previously it had been symbolized by a variety of watery critters, including the lobster. But in Cancerian symbolism, really any tough exteriored creature with a propensity for indirect movement  and deep sensitivity beneath a protective shell will work.

 

As for what any of this might say (or not) about Cole, I dunno. But I do love his character card.

[ParagonPunk]

So I don't know anything about tarot cards or readings, but I had to figure out why there was a lobster/crayfish/whatever on Cole's card. It's apparently part of the Moon card? If anyone knows more and would like to elaborate, feel free. 

 

Edit: Hmm, actually I changed my mind, I think it's the moon.

[Kisari]

Omggg I love that art for the tarot cards so much!
And for anyone that hasn't watched it yet, here is the IGN gameplay: x

They run around as Cole for a little bit and jump as him and stuff and Cameron mentions he is very very weird and creepy haha.

[Faerah]

So this is from Wikipedia's page about the Moon card. I bolded the most obvious parts about the card (lobster, moon) and what makes the most sense about Cole.

Interpretation

According to Waite's The Pictorial Key to the Tarot, the card represents life of the imagination apart from life of the spirit. The dog and wolf are the fears of the natural mind in the presence of that place of exit, when there is only reflected light to guide it. This reference is a key to another form of symbolism. The intellectual light is a mere reflection and beyond it is the unknown mystery which it cannot reveal. It illuminates our animal nature, types of which are represented below—the dog, the wolf, and that which comes up out of the deeps, the nameless and hideous tendency which is lower even than the savage beast. It strives to attain manifestation, symbolized by crawling from the abyss of water to the land, but as a rule it sinks back whence it came. The face of the mind directs a calm gaze upon the unrest below, and the dew of thought falls. The message is: "Peace, be still," and it may be that there shall come a calm upon the animal nature, while the abyss beneath shall cease from giving up form.

 

Some frequent keywords include:

Lack of clarity — Tension — Doubt — Fantasy

Deception — Psychological conflict — Obscured vision

Confusion — Illusion — Fear — Imagination — Worry

Romanticism — Anxiety — Apprehension — Unrealistic ideas

 

Other meanings

This card has to do with sleep patterns. This can mean both dreaming and nightmares. If one gets this card, one may be going through a particularly difficult emotional time. Rather than losing yourself in the overwhelming imagery and fantasy that signal the presence of the Moon, give form to this imagery through the creative arts (painting, writing, or dancing). The association this card bears with imagery and fantasy can put one in touch with visions and insight, creativity and psychic powers.

 

The Moon can be interpreted with the feeling of uncertainty, where the past still haunts, unsure of a journey but still going ahead with it, feeling watched and because it is commonly associated with dreams, fantasies and mysteries this card can also be interpreted with surreal feelings and situations in your waking life.

 

 

Edit: for a bit more context from the DA website:

 

… and Cole isn't certain that he does exist. He is a spirit, impossibly caught between the immaterial realm of the Fade and the confusing realities of our physical world, but does that make him real? Does it make him human or a demonic pretender, as some believe?

 

[PATRICK WEEKES]: Imagine going through this world knowing that you're different, but not knowing how. Imagine trying to find out the truth about what you are—a mage? A demon?—and never being sure that you can trust the answer, or that your friends will still support you when the truth, whatever it is, comes out.

[Kisari]

Hm, so in the IGN demo that just happened, Lee mentioned the Inquisitor has an ability that banishes nearby demons. It apparently doesn't work on Cole (for obvious reasons, using a skill and losing a companion would be kind of silly). But the question is...is this a plot hole or is Cole definitely something else (something that can't be banished).

I'm sure it's something that's just an oversight for the sake of not banishing a party member haha. We know for sure Cole is... somewhere on the demon<->spirit spectrum but whether or not he's more or something unique we just don't know. The people of Thedas know barely anything of the Fade and it's inhabitants and so that's all we know also. He could indeed be something no one has ever heard of before.

I personally don't believe in creatures of the Fade being simply good(spirit) or evil(demon) and since in the interview they specified he was on the spectrum and not simply one or the other... I'm sure Cole is more complicated than that.

 

So this is from Wikipedia's page about the Moon card. I bolded the most obvious parts about the card (lobster, moon) and what makes the most sense about Cole.

Wow that's... perfect for him.

[Exaltation]

Romanticism?,romance confirmed!

[Faerah]

I'm sure it's something that's just an oversight for the sake of not banishing a party member haha. We know for sure Cole is... somewhere on the demon<->spirit spectrum but whether or not he's more or something unique we just don't know. The people of Thedas know barely anything of the Fade and it's inhabitants and so that's all we know also. He could indeed be something no one has ever heard of before.

I personally don't believe in creatures of the Fade being simply good(spirit) or evil(demon) and since in the interview they specified he was on the spectrum and not simply one or the other... I'm sure Cole is more complicated than that.

I can't wait to find out exactly what's going on with him. Him and the whole...ancient history of Thedas are my favorite parts of the series, at least right now. And by ancient history I mean whatever is going on with the origin of the Fade/Veil/physical realm and the maker/old gods/Dalish gods/Flemeth/whatever other mythology you want to throw in.   Apparently my favorite things are always the giant mysteries.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm sure Cole is more complicated than that.

 

...We will see.

[Gervaise]

I think it is the Chantry that has divided the categories of Fade creatures into Spirits (good) and Demons (bad).    As Merrill said, "All spirits are dangerous".   Since very often they seem to adopt a particular emotion/attribute it is probably better to call them either positive (benign) or negative (malign) rather than good or evil.  I don't think Fade creatures themselves have a morality.   They either want to help, because that is their nature/attribute, or they want to harm or they want to manipulate.    It is noticeable that both Justice and Imshael object to being called demon.     Cole seems ready to accept whatever designation you give him.   His morality has been largely guided by his contact with Rhys.     The spirit that came to Cole in the darkness may have been benign - it "held his hand", normally something that you do to comfort someone or it could have been attracted by his despair.   The thing is we know from Justice that spirits can alter over time, particularly if they are strongly tied to one person's emotions and this particular spirit seems to have taken on something of the original Cole's personality but limited to experiences that were uppermost in his memory at the time of his imprisonment.    I'm pretty sure that how his character in Inquisition develops is going to be strongly influenced to how the Inquisitor in particular but also other companions relate to him and thus who he adopts as his role model.   

 

I am amused that both his card and in that bit of gameplay he has that crazy floppy hat on.   It almost looked like he had a helmet over the top of it.   Still I suppose it kept the rain off.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think it is the Chantry that has divided the categories of Fade creatures into Spirits (good) and Demons (bad)

 

Actually it's a bit more cut and dry then that.

 

The Chantry recognition of the "first children" of the Maker is universally negative and doesn't encourage nor truck with either the spirits or demons.

 

Spirit Healers and Spirit Warriors are a rarity for that reason.

 

And i for the most part agree with the assessment, Spirits are a bad thing to have in the waking world where they can cause chaos and mayhem, and drive people insane with their inane prattle about injustice and faith.

[Kisari]

I think it is the Chantry that has divided the categories of Fade creatures into Spirits (good) and Demons (bad).    As Merrill said, "All spirits are dangerous".   Since very often they seem to adopt a particular emotion/attribute it is probably better to call them either positive (benign) or negative (malign) rather than good or evil.  I don't think Fade creatures themselves have a morality.   They either want to help, because that is their nature/attribute, or they want to harm or they want to manipulate.    It is noticeable that both Justice and Imshael object to being called demon.     Cole seems ready to accept whatever designation you give him.   His morality has been largely guided by his contact with Rhys.     The spirit that came to Cole in the darkness may have been benign - it "held his hand", normally something that you do to comfort someone or it could have been attracted by his despair.   The thing is we know from Justice that spirits can alter over time, particularly if they are strongly tied to one person's emotions and this particular spirit seems to have taken on something of the original Cole's personality but limited to experiences that were uppermost in his memory at the time of his imprisonment.    I'm pretty sure that how his character in Inquisition develops is going to be strongly influenced to how the Inquisitor in particular but also other companions relate to him and thus who he adopts as his role model.   

 

I am amused that both his card and in that bit of gameplay he has that crazy floppy hat on.   It almost looked like he had a helmet over the top of it.   Still I suppose it kept the rain off.

I think the Chantry belief set discourages mages from coming into contact with all spirits. I noticed in Asunder Rhys was treated with a lot of distrust for being a Spirit Medium. Obviously just like Templars are totally okay using Blood Magic to track down mages with the phylactery stuff, it's okay for mages to be Spirit Healers because it's helpful and convenient to the Chantry. But from the way the templars treated Rhys they are still treated as much bigger potential threats. So basically, it's seen as okay until you are suspicious and then it's suddenly bad haha.

I think the seperation of spirit and demon actually come from mages studying them and trying to define them. Since mages stuck in the Circle Tower are still subject to Andrastian religion though, that very well does effect their outlook.

I'm not even sure spirits even so much are benign or malign. I mean is "Desire" itself necessarily a bad thing? We've only seen Desire demons doing evil things, but the emotion of "desire" isn't necessarily one that is negative. Supposedly they desire to feel the emotions humanity feels, so do they become unique when they come in contact with a certain emotion that they like and that changes their nature? It mentions some interesting stuff in the Solas interview that makes me question everything we know about the Fade. If you go in believing it is evil and dangerous... it will be. I wonder if this reaches to the spirits within it? So far Cole and Justice are the only Fade Creatures whose mindset and personality has been altered. Both occurred from living outside the Fade, and interacting with people.

Basically.. I don't know! All the stuff with demons and spirits is pretty complicated and I have a super hard time keeping my thoughts together and not getting disjointed. A lot of it mixes with semantics and I confuse myself. I am good at compiling and remembering every little detail about Cole but not so much everything else.

In that new demo Cole's hat definitely has a metal top part. It looks like a normal metal helmet but then MEGA floppy rim. It's completely ridiculously endearing.

[Prince of Keys]

In that new demo Cole's hat definitely has a metal top part. It looks like a normal metal helmet but then MEGA floppy rim. It's completely ridiculously endearing.

 

I was wondering what was up with his hat! It looked almost like there was just a helmet shoved on top of his normal hat, haha. 

[Eveangaline]

I was wondering what was up with his hat! It looked almost like there was just a helmet shoved on top of his normal hat, haha. 

Maybe that's exactly what it was

 

Maybe the hat can't ever come off

 

Maybe trying would reveal a horrible well of fade rips beneath his brow

[Faerah]

I wonder how long it'll take for a "Cole takes a bath" mod that changes his hair to something less...plastered to his head.   Although, who am I kidding. I'm sure the "more attractive Cole" mod will exist first.   (assuming people figure out how to mod Frostbite)

[Eveangaline]

I wonder how long it'll take for a "Cole takes a bath" mod that changes his hair to something less...plastered to his head.   Although, who am I kidding. I'm sure the "more attractive Cole" mod will exist first.   (assuming people figure out how to mod Frostbite)

 

See when I read that first sentence all that flashed into my mind was a mod that makes you able to see Cole sitting in a bubblebath trying to make a beard with the bubbles and playing with a rubber ducky.

[Fredward]

I wonder how long it'll take for a "Cole takes a bath" mod that changes his hair to something less...plastered to his head. 

 

I'd download it.

[Faerah]

See when I read that first sentence all that flashed into my mind was a mod that makes you able to see Cole sitting in a bubblebath trying to make a beard with the bubbles and playing with a rubber ducky.

It's just kind of a running joke, mostly on tumblr. Everyone pretty much agrees that he looks like he really needs a bath (mostly because of the hair). 

[Fialka]

I was wondering what was up with his hat! It looked almost like there was just a helmet shoved on top of his normal hat, haha. 

Looking at the demo, I think he puts a piece of cloth over his hair, and then uses the helmet to keep it in place and protect his head. Sort of like a makeshift hood. Probably to hide his face... I think it mentions in the book that he's nervous around people so I imagine he'd want to avoid attention and being looked at if he's out and about - I imagine his less-than-robust complexion and aversion to light might have something to do with it as well (he probably sunburns easy....) 

[Gervaise]

I'd suggest that if he wants to avoid unwanted attention he should ditch the helmet over the floppy hat look.   If anything would make him stand out, that does.    It may be that it does have something to do with light levels - may be he is uncomfortable with it too bright - although I don't recall any mention of this in Asunder, nor the floppy hat.  Perhaps he doesn't have it at the beginning but you give it to him and then he can't bear to be parted from it.    Or may be he wears it just to annoy the more fashion conscious members of the Inquisition, particularly if they don't approve of him.

[XMissWooX]

The hat bemuses me.

Inquisitor: "Cole, I have a gift for you."
Cole: "It's... a hat?"
Inquisitor: "Well, your old one was looking a bit worn so I figured I'd get you a new one."
Cole: "...you don't like my hat?"
Inquisitor: "Ah, erm... It's a very nice hat, I just... I like this one better."
Cole: "But it's so *clean*."
Inquisitor: "You say that like its a bad thing."
Cole: "I suppose I could always go dip it in that big puddle outside the keep."
Inquisitor: "...Right."

[efd731]

The hat bemuses me.

Inquisitor: "Cole, I have a gift for you."
Cole: "It's... a hat?"
Inquisitor: "Well, your old one was looking a bit worn so I figured I'd get you a new one."
Cole: "...you don't like my hat?"
Inquisitor: "Ah, erm... It's a very nice hat, I just... I like this one better."
Cole: "But it's so *clean*."
Inquisitor: "You say that like its a bad thing."
Cole: "I suppose I could always go dip it in that big puddle outside the keep."
Inquisitor: "...Right."

Hahaha this reminds me of all that hilarious (and well done) fan art by kelgrid. Cole is always demony and filthy and hilarious.