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[Faerah]

Yeah it was in the movie if I remember right. I think the dragon cult had a dragon and were siphoning blood. My memory of this movie is basically non-existent so let me know if I'm wrong. But otherwise, Cas and Cole are the only ones (well, Leliana too I guess, but not a companion) that have any practice fighting dragons. 

[CENIC]

 

 

Also wait, Cass fought a dragon before? Was that in her movie thing? 

 

Yeah it was in the movie if I remember right. I think the dragon cult had a dragon and were siphoning blood. My memory of this movie is basically non-existent so let me know if I'm wrong. But otherwise, Cas and Cole are the only ones (well, Leliana too I guess, but not a companion) that have any practice fighting dragons. 

Technically Cassandra stabbed the sh*t out of a couple dragons over the course of the movie...

 

My personal head-canon is that as a dragon-slaying Pentaghast she received advanced training on dragon anatomy... so the reason she can stab a dragon behind the head and kill it instantly is because she knows where the jugular is... 

 

still kinda want her unique specialization to be "Dragon Slayer"

[dragondreamer]

Varric has some dragon experience too, or at least he did in my canon. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Varric also did that comic with Alistair that had a heavy dragon plot, but I don't know if they actually fought a dragon or not. I would say they probably consider he fought dragons with you in DA2. Doesn't he have to go on the deep roads quest because it's his brother's thing? There's a dragon in it.  

[Omikuji]

I remember in the comic that they didn't actually fight the dragon, in fact they made a few remarks about not pissing off the giant huffy dragon. Pretty sure they didn't fight it, only person they sort of fought was Morragins sister who was the dragon whisperer.

 

I think Varric did have to go into the roads with you so I suppose that would count.

 

On Coles front, did he do a pretty good job harming the arcdemon dragon and was the one who got the dragon to scurry away with the belly attack? He did wonderful in that fight, able to dodge big attacks and help. 

[Faerah]

Oh right, Varric. Think the high dragon was in the Bone Pit in DA2. *note to self, take Varric, Cas, and Cole to slay moar dragons*

[Faerah]

Fan art by Zwierzodudle

[AddieTheElf]

gasps how did we fall to the second page

 

How different do you think Cole will be in Inquisition? Would he be harder around the edges now? Or still a bit of a lost puppy... who can kick *ss ? 

 

Would he still consider himself Cole?

[CENIC]

gasps how did we fall to the second page

 

How different do you think Cole will be in Inquisition? Would he be harder around the edges now? Or still a bit of a lost puppy... who can kick *ss ? 

 

Would he still consider himself Cole?

Despite the fact that he's pretty much guaranteed unromanceable, I'm hoping that the Litany of Adralla has made Cole more self-aware and mature.

Y'know... not a genderless spirit in the form of a handsome twenty-something young man who believes it's a 12-year-old boy and makes me feel like a creeper.

 

And I'm pretty curious how Cole will view himself and the world around him, if the Litany did open his eyes.

[efd731]

I just want some goddamn details!! Anything?! Some clarification!! Because thanks to The Masked Empire, apparently powerful spirits don't even need a host body in thedas, so who on earth knows what cole is now? I need answers....I want to know what's goin on with my favourite floppy haired rogue!

[Hellion Rex]

Fan art GIF by Kelgrid

Bonus description: 

“Sometimes I feel like I’m underwater, and I won’t ever get out again. I just keep sinking and sinking, and there’s no bottom. The darkness is going to swallow me up.”

I just can't stop thinking about this image of Cole. It's haunting and sad, and I seriously empathize with him.

[Faerah]

I sort of hope he's a mix of the two, the lost abused puppy a la most of Asunder, plus some self reflection and seriousness of the epilogue. But the excerpt from the leaked survey, if still relevant, seems to say he just might actually be human on top of him not knowing what he is. If he actually is human, I almost wonder if he has a similar situation as Anders in DA2 where two beings reside in a body, and one has primary control at certain times. If that were the case, the majority of Asunder might be "human" Cole, while the epilogue might be the spirit taking control like Justice did occasionally. Also, if he is "human", I'm assuming the spirit resurrected him like Wynne's spirit of faith. This would also sort of account for the fact he's grown older; the years he spent roaming the White Spire could have been from ages 12-20whatever. Or, maybe since he's possibly an anomaly, maybe the soul of Cole and the spirit actually fused somehow and it's just one entity for both beings, like 100%, not a split personality like Anders. (I have endless theories, I too just -reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally- want to know what's going on with him.)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If Cole is a spirit, I wonder if he'll know what kind he is now. He at least knows he wasn't Cole the mage boy now. Maybe that means he knows what he really is.

[efd731]

If Cole is a spirit, I wonder if he'll know what kind he is now. He at least knows he wasn't Cole the mage boy now. Maybe that means he knows what he really is.

I simultaneously love an loathe how vague that bit is. Because for all we know, he's stating cole died metaphorically and Cole is just a human with awesome abilities. Or because of what he said earlier, he's just some spirit using him as a meatsuit. Or he's a spirit that adopted his identity, and apparently left behind it's own.
Such suspense,very cliffhanger, wow

[Omikuji]

I don't think he'll know 100% what he is, in the descriptor of him it sounds sort of like he doesn't really care what he is and is trying to find a purpose in the world? Or that he knows at least he's not Cole, only has a vague memory of before Cole, and still associates with Cole because it's his only reference to how to think or feel because his own memories and feelings are kinda nonexistent. It's hard to tell, cause at the end of the book he seems to be more confident on what he is, understands it, but probably doesn't care now that he has a grasp on it. 

 

Trying to find his place in the world that he doesn't really belong in and overwhelmed with the memories and feelings of Cole rather then having his own. It's probably very flustering to have the memories of Cole since with those memories comes the emotions, I would be very surprised if he acted completely different to how he was in the books aside from a slight confidence boost from his 'I want to do something' rather then hiding away.

 

I think he would keep the Cole name, maybe to honor the memory of Cole. Or because he doesn't have anything else to call himself and responds to that.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I will be the most surprised if Cole is a human. There's too much about him that just seems completely different, like his ability to hear the darkspawn's song. 

[Omikuji]

I don't think he's anything human at this point. At least physically, he's human in the way of emotions I suppose XD In a gaming sense, I'm pretty sure he's our 'non human' companion the same was people like Shale, Dog, Justice, Anders was. Everyone else so far has seem human to the humanist around, except for odd duck out Cole (and even then he passes for human to the point anyone who doesn't know Coles past from not reading the books, wouldn't think of him as anything but I think)

 

There are some who can hear the song can't they? I forget the reason on some, but the Grey Wardens can? I don't remember spirit things mentioning hearing the darkspawn song, but loads of characters going nuts hear music. Bah the music thing is so strange for him to be hearing, and how he was pulled into the Fade even though he was very far away from the situation, then just how he was in the Fade as human as the others. 

 

I need my answers dangit, Oct 7th hurry the cakes up I need to CSI all over Cole DX<

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The wardens undergo "the joining" which basically involves them becoming tainted mixed with some unexplained magic that keeps them from becoming ghouls right away. They hear the song because they're essentially tainted and very slowly succumbing until the point at which they'll go through their calling. I doubt Cole has been through the joining, though. It wouldn't really fit into his story anywhere.  

[Faerah]

With all the Greg Ellis chatter going on it makes me wonder who's voicing Cole. ._.

[Faerah]

The wardens undergo "the joining" which basically involves them becoming tainted mixed with some unexplained magic that keeps them from becoming ghouls right away. They hear the song because they're essentially tainted and very slowly succumbing until the point at which they'll go through their calling. I doubt Cole has been through the joining, though. It wouldn't really fit into his story anywhere.  

From what I can remember, the only things that can hear the song of the old gods (so far) is darkspawn, wardens, Corypheus (although, the untainted song might be different?), and Cole. There's also music emanated from lyrium, but old god is always described as "song" inferring singing, and lyrium is always music. (If I remember right)

 

Edit: this franchise has so much lore I'm at the point where I have a hard time keeping it all straight. 

[Omikuji]

Greg Ellis chatter? Butts I need to lurk more in the twitter thread huh? They have been pouring out lots of small questions all over the place. What's the Greg Ellis chatter about?

 

I hope his voice is quiet and 'unused' sounding like how they describe it in the book. Not old and froggy sounding though, since he is supposed to be a twenty something young man. (and it hasn't been long after Asunder to age him up to ridiculous amounts)

 

Oh right, there's also the phylancraphys that emanate a humming sound/feeling that had put Eva on edge in the book. The lyrium had small tingly sensation and a hum too or something like that.

[Faerah]

Greg Ellis is the voice actor for Cullen and he's...somewhere between maybe breaking his NDA and turning his fanbase into some sort of marketing thing, lol.

 

I think the phylacteries have a bit of lyrium in them, probably why they make some sort of sound. I also just remembered that red lyrium isn't music, or it's not just music. I think it might have been singing, or speaking, but I don't remember it that well, I'd have to look up some videos cause the wiki doesn't really say.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

From what I can remember, the only things that can hear the song of the old gods (so far) is darkspawn, wardens, Corypheus (although, the untainted song might be different?), and Cole. There's also music emanated from lyrium, but old god is always described as "song" inferring singing, and lyrium is always music. (If I remember right)

 

Edit: this franchise has so much lore I'm at the point where I have a hard time keeping it all straight. 

There's also the music Bertrand claimed he heard via the red lyrium. Music is a popular theme in DA. lol

 

It's interesting to note that Justice never mentioned hearing the song in DA:A. It's possible he did and just didn't mention it, but if Cole is a spirit and heard it, Justice should have, as well. That is, unless being in a corpse somehow kept him from hearing it. Anders was a warden, so that would change the situation in DA2.   

[Faerah]

There's also the music Bertrand claimed he heard via the red lyrium. Music is a popular theme in DA. lol

 

It's interesting to note that Justice never mentioned hearing the song in DA:A. It's possible he did and just didn't mention it, but if Cole is a spirit and heard it, Justice should have, as well. That is, unless being in a corpse somehow kept him from hearing it. Anders was a warden, so that would change the situation in DA2.   

Wasn't Kristoff a warden though? It'd make a lot more sense for Justice to hear an old god more than Cole, unless it wasn't corrupted when Justice was out and about. Or maybe you have to be in the area to hear it, and this particular old god is in the area of the Western Approach.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Wasn't Kristoff a warden though? It'd make a lot more sense for Justice to hear an old god more than Cole, unless it wasn't corrupted when Justice was out and about. Or maybe you have to be in the area to hear it, and this particular old god is in the area of the Western Approach.

Kristoff was a grey warden when he was alive. I'm not sure if being dead for a while changes anything. It's true, if the taint remained in the body, it would make even more sense for Justice to hear it. The location may be an indication. We don't know where the old gods are buried, but the wardens do, supposedly.