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Cole discussion, speculation, and fan thread: "How do you know?"


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Hm... even after reading the synopsis, I'm still not sure what to think.  I wasn't expecting that part where

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.  Don't get me wrong, he sounds like an extremely interesting character, and I love his design.  I think I might even like his hats more than Vivienne's... I just don't know if I trust him.  I don't plan on playing as a white knight the first time around, which may lead Cole to target me. 

 

Maybe I'll just recruit him anyway and see what happens.  Even if he betrays me later, it might be better to find out than avoid him for fear of being attacked.  Yeah... I think I'll take my chances and see how the story plays out.  Bioware wouldn't let him kill me in my sleep without giving me a chance to defend myself... right?



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Hm... even after reading the synopsis, I'm still not sure what to think.  I wasn't expecting that part where

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.  Don't get me wrong, he sounds like an extremely interesting character, and I love his design.  I think I might even like his hats more than Vivienne's... I just don't know if I trust him.  I don't plan on playing as a white knight the first time around, which may lead Cole to target me. 

 

Maybe I'll just recruit him anyway and see what happens.  Even if he betrays me later, it might be better to find out than avoid him for fear of being attacked.  Yeah... I think I'll take my chances and see how the story plays out.  Bioware wouldn't let him kill me in my sleep without giving me a chance to defend myself... right?

The thing with his sister broke my heart. I've actually heard of a RL case of this happening before and it's just horrifying. That's a lot of guilt and horror all because of an ignorant mistake.

I think while knowing about his past can make people have trust issues, which is understandable, but really we just do not know. It's important to remember that PW tweeted that Cole has significantly changed, and we don't know in what ways. From all of the interviews and descriptions of Cole, I really do not see any malicious intent. I do not see Cole as any more of a significant threat over any of the other companions. There is a possibility of anyone betraying you if you go against them, and I'm sure Cole is no different. But whether he will go against you no matter what because of his origins, I highly doubt.

Ofcourse, I personally wouldn't care even if he did. My interest and like of Cole does not stop just because he could potentially be evil or betray you. To me, an interesting character is an interesting character. And hey, if he does? Then you know to never pick him up again in future playthroughs. But not picking him up that first time, possibly missing out on events and character growth because of what he might do? I dunno, seems like a waste to me.

I'm also very confidant it wont be like Morinth and he'll just auto kill you. Cole may have strong powers, but if anything it'll be like any other times in a DA game a companion attacks. They come at you and you bash them in in 5 seconds flat(I'm sorry Fenris).


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@ Kisari - I read somewhere that Cole has a very strong moral code... I don't think he's malicious, but he may have no qualms about attacking the Inquisitor if he doesn't like how he operates.  It may depend on how close their relationship is, and it may depend on whether or not Cole can reasoned with... I think at this point I'm curious enough to find out first hand.  I don't plan to do anything too evil, but I don't plan on going from village to village kissing babies, either, you know?  :P  And as you say, a betrayal can enhance the storyline.  Avoiding him out of fear seems wasteful given his potentially good qualities.



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I think Cole is more likely to leave than he is to attack you honestly.


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I think Cole is more likely to leave than he is to attack you honestly.

If that's your honest assessment after reading the book, I won't argue with it.  He's clearly more complicated than he appears.



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@ Kisari - I read somewhere that Cole has a very strong moral code... I don't think he's malicious, but he may have no qualms about attacking the Inquisitor if he doesn't like how he operates.  It may depend on how close their relationship is, and it may depend on whether or not Cole can reasoned with... I think at this point I'm curious enough to find out first hand.  I don't plan to do anything too evil, but I don't plan on going from village to village kissing babies, either, you know?  :P  And as you say, a betrayal can enhance the storyline.  Avoiding him out of fear seems wasteful given his potentially good qualities.

He does seem to have his own set of morals now(which makes me happy), and I'm curious whether he would attack. I mean, a lot of times companions just attack you but there have been cases like with Wynne and the Ashes where she just leaves instead. We also don't know how it works though. Does making one particular big decision have the potential to make people leave? Does lowering their approval enough make them leave? There was a visual confirmation of +5 approval with Cole in the demo so I'm sure it can reach a low point where they decide to outtie. xD

I just think you know, if you are still worried about fully trusting him then... recruit him and don't trust him! Haha. If there is a time where you think he might betray you or you think he's getting in the way/doing harm then I'm sure you'll be able to tell him to hit the road.

 

I think Cole is more likely to leave than he is to attack you honestly.

I'm thinking this too, although it might depend on the situation. A situation where you have a choice to kill Rhys and Evangeline? I think it's safe to assume Cole would attack you then. But if you are just doing in general things he doesn't like I think he would indeed just disappear.



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I think Cole is more likely to leave than he is to attack you honestly.

 

 

I'm thinking this too, although it might depend on the situation. A situation where you have a choice to kill Rhys and Evangeline? I think it's safe to assume Cole would attack you then. But if you are just doing in general things he doesn't like I think he would indeed just disappear.

From the website: Those who wish to restore order and help the helpless will find him a strange but unwavering ally. Those who use their power for selfish reasons may never see Cole again—if they remember that he was there to begin with.

 

As for him attacking you, I think you'll have to make some fairly monstrous decisions. Something that poses a direct threat to something or someone Cole cares a great deal about (like what Kisari said about Rhys/Eva).


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From the website: Those who wish to restore order and help the helpless will find him a strange but unwavering ally. Those who use their power for selfish reasons may never see Cole again—if they remember that he was there to begin with.

 

As for him attacking you, I think you'll have to make some fairly monstrous decisions. Something that poses a direct threat to something or someone Cole cares a great deal about (like what Kisari said about Rhys/Eva).

Yes, that's the quote I had in mind... alright, fair enough.  He'll probably just be at risk of leaving.  I must have assumed he'd target the Inquisitor given his history...



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My poorest attempt yet but still going to share the Cole I tried to make. (don't know why he's holding cake just felt like he needed something in his hands)

 

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My poorest attempt yet but still going to share the Cole I tried to make. (don't know why he's holding cake just felt like he needed something in his hands)

 

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Well, cake is similar to bread, and we know he may leave bread around. 


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From the website: Those who wish to restore order and help the helpless will find him a strange but unwavering ally. Those who use their power for selfish reasons may never see Cole again—if they remember that he was there to begin with.

 

As for him attacking you, I think you'll have to make some fairly monstrous decisions. Something that poses a direct threat to something or someone Cole cares a great deal about (like what Kisari said about Rhys/Eva).

 

Pity, I do wish to restore Order but given the devs have now confirmed we can basically lead the Templar Order to war and victory against the Mages...

 

I'd expect his little buddy rhy's to be an enemy of mine.

 

To be honest i'm mixed on cole, glad he isn't walking around dressed as the Lord Seeker, i'm willing to give him some slack for that.

 

On the other hand, Demon.

 

But on the other hand, the PC has worked with demons in the last two games...

 

So it isn't easy, have to say though maybe i can convince him to go to the Fade himself, I'd like a non violent resolution if possible.

 

Assuming he proves his worth as an ally anyway, you don't grant respect to those who don't earn it after all.



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I think Cole is a spirit of Hope, albeit not a normal one. And his corrupted form would be despair.
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http://kittanee.devi...Solas-476605209

 

 

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Fan art/comic by leon9606

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(I almost feel like "I didn't mean to do this! I just frequently find myself in the wrong place at the wrong time!" should be Cole's motto or something. Poor spiritkid can't catch a break.)  :lol:


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Anyone that harms Cole will cease to exist,even Companions. :angry:
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Where do you guys find these comic strips, I can't find new ones?

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I just occasionally browse the "dragon age inquisition" tag in tumblr and stumble across stuff.



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Anyone that harms Cole will cease to exist,even Companions. :angry:

 

Strongly doubt that :P



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I could totally see Cole as the type that would place too much trust in Varric when it comes to secrets  :lol:



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Have ya'll read that other Cole thread floating around? Joe25 suggested Cole is actually a wisp that subsumed human!Cole's memories when he died:

 

I think Cole may be a wisp. Wisp are mindless and easy for a child to summon. Cole could have summoned it around his death. And, when he died the wisp panicked and fused with Cole to bring him back. I would explain Cole's fear of fading away because without magic a wisp just fades to nothing. It would also why Cole has doesn't have a second personality. Wisps are mindless so the only personality to control Cole is Cole because the wisp think it is Cole,or Cole's mind over powered the wisp. Wisps have no known memory, and when we meet Cole he has amnesia. Cole's memory only comes back in the Fade. Memories are replayed in dreams so the wisp could think it's Cole because Cole's memories were played out to him. Or in the fusion with the wisp, the fusion blocked Cole's long term memory.      

 

It's an interesting idea, yeah? Do you guys think it meshes with what we know about Cole so far?



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A wisp is TOO weak to do what Cole does. Other than that is possible.
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Cole doesn't really have amnesia though, he has (some) of Human!Cole's memories. The very first chapter he remembers being dragged to the cell, and the waiting and praying to die. I don't remember though, did it specify that Cole didn't remember the stuff with his family until the Fade? I personally thought of it like burying the memory because it was so traumatic, not exactly having amnesia. But I can't remember if it mentions either way.

I highly doubt it's a wisp as they are not very powerful and I am dubious as to whether a creature that isn't very strong could bring him back to life, AND he can so easily continuously expend it's power for years without it giving out. Doesn't Wynne mention that the spirit that saved her and kept her alive was very powerful? And even she got exhausted after using the healing powers it gave her.

Also something to remember is that Cole literally POOFS away when called a demon. So unless it's a powerful enough spirit to also take a human body with him and not simply leave it to return to the Fade... But then I thought the only way for physical bodies to enter the Fade is through Fade tears?

I just highly doubt they'd do another Wynne "hey a nice spirit revived you and now you're an abomination" thing. I'm fairly certain Cole is something else, especially rereading the interview.



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Cole doesn't really have amnesia though, he has (some) of Human!Cole's memories. The very first chapter he remembers being dragged to the cell, and the waiting and praying to die. I don't remember though, did it specify that Cole didn't remember the stuff with his family until the Fade? I personally thought of it like burying the memory because it was so traumatic, not exactly having amnesia. But I can't remember if it mentions either way.
I highly doubt it's a wisp as they are not very powerful and I am dubious as to whether a creature that isn't very strong could bring him back to life, AND he can so easily continuously expend it's power for years without it giving out. Doesn't Wynne mention that the spirit that saved her and kept her alive was very powerful? And even she got exhausted after using the healing powers it gave her.
Also something to remember is that Cole literally POOFS away when called a demon. So unless it's a powerful enough spirit to also take a human body with him and not simply leave it to return to the Fade... But then I thought the only way for physical bodies to enter the Fade is through Fade tears?
I just highly doubt they'd do another Wynne "hey a nice spirit revived you and now you're an abomination" thing. I'm fairly certain Cole is something else, especially rereading the interview.


These are the exact points I tried to make. He can be a spirit of hope because they are known to be strongest entity of the fade so its possible he did all this. But this is just at theory based on how powerful Cole is. We simply don't know enough to make any decision.

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I can see him being a spirit/demon of Mercy or being a demon of despair/spirit of hope.


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