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[Defne]

Wynne is not undead. Undead (without soul) http://dragonage.wik...i/Arcane_Horror http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Corpse http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Revenant http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Skeleton http://dragonage.wik...ile:Justice.PNG

[Master Warder Z_]

Wynne is not undead.

 

And your basis for that is... appearance?

[Defne]

Her dialogues.

[Willowhugger]

And your basis for that is... appearance?

 

Being alive?

[Willowhugger]

I find Cole to be an extremely creepy character and one I don't think was really the sort of thing which should be allowed to run free as a serial killing GHOST is hardly the sort of thing we should be encouraging in Thedas.

Sadly, I think I'll still take him along.

My characters have a tendency to accumulate oddball collectibles and I already took along Sten.

[Master Warder Z_]

Being alive?

 

Recall the undead from the calling then.

 

The demon forced flesh to grow and regenerate when it was injured.

 

Unless if that ability was only for that demon or is now non canon...it appears they can give off at least the "illusion" of life.

[Hellion Rex]

But Wynne wasn't dead. She got close, but Faith brought her back entirely. In the same way that Anders kept his own appearance when he got possessed by Justice, though that was under different circumstances than Wynne.

[Master Warder Z_]

But Wynne wasn't dead. She got close, but Faith brought her back entirely. In the same way that Anders kept his own appearance when he got possessed by Justice, though that was under different circumstances than Wynne.

 

Uh, her heart stopped.

 

Last i recalled that's certified medical death.

[Willowhugger]

Uh, her heart stopped.

 

Last i recalled that's certified medical death.

I've had that happen to me in RL.

;-)

[Hellion Rex]

Uh, her heart stopped.

 

Last i recalled that's certified medical death.

So what? She was brought back to life, real true resurrection via Faith.

[Master Warder Z_]

So what? She was brought back to life, real true resurrection via Faith.

 

._. so why wouldn't i call her undead when the resurrection was brought about by possession.

 

I mean seriously, its what you call when something posses something dead.

[Thinvesil]

Just read the scene where Wynne's resquing Evangeline's life.

[Willowhugger]

I dislike Cole because he prevented me from forcing Lambert to eat his own shoes.

[Master Warder Z_]

Just read the scene where Wynne's resquing Evangeline's life.

 

I have?

 

Evangeline was also dead ._.

 

Undead! Zombies all around us!

 

 Shepard: He's not a zombie, is he?

[Thinvesil]

Nope. The spirit has returned her spark of life and kept it in the body. She's alive, just like we are when we're returned after being clinically dead.

[Faerah]

Resurrection and reanimation aren't the same thing...At least in the English language and most high fantasies. Wynne was resurrected by the spirit, preserving her person/conscious/soul/whatever you want to call it. Justice on the other hand reanimated Kristoff's corpse. Kristoff didn't exist anymore as a person, Justice just retrieved his memories.

 

I suppose you can think of it like a templar and suspect everything as sinister though, and just assume that Wynne died and the spirit took over a la Justice. But the way Wynne was written implies resurrection, not reanimation.

 

Whether or not Cole is resurrected/reanimated/something else entirely isn't really set in stone. We don't know. The only thing that even slightly infers undead is his sickly appearance, but he looks more similar to someone infected with the darkspawn taint than undead.

[Master Warder Z_]

Nope. The spirit has returned her spark of life and kept it in the body. She's alive, just like we are when we're returned after being clinically dead.

 

It returned it by possessing her and keeping the corpse "alive".

 

._.

 

I think this quote from Monster Hunter International sums it up well: 'When you leave an empty vessel just lying around its only a matter of time until something comes upon it"

 

Honestly if you want to split hairs and call the vessel alive, i will acknowledge it, but i will also acknowledge "undeath" is a state of life...or lack their of but you know what i mean.

 

That's an awesome book series by the way

[Thinvesil]

Taint. At least he's heard the Call. 

 

Original Cole's corpse was about 12 years old, it wouldn't age, considering he's dead.

[raging_monkey]

What if hes like a spirit(demon on perspective) that resurescted the og cole then did a anders/justice, but got warped and while he aged still he was somewhat "dead"

[Kisari]

Uh, her heart stopped.

 

Last i recalled that's certified medical death.

People can still be brought back when their heart stops. It's a clinical death. Of course it's something that's debated but brain dead is usually pronounced legally dead.

"Death was historically believed to be an event that coincided with the onset of clinical death. It is now understood that death is a series of physical events, not a single one, and determination of permanent death is dependent on other factors beyond simple cessation of breathing and heartbeat."

I am not a doctor or nurse or anything, but just googling has brought up research where people/animals are brought back after varying lengths of clinical deaths without brain damage anywhere between 12 minutes-1hour depending on the creature. If anyone actually knows medical stuff though and can comment/correct me that'd be great.

Of course that's also factoring in magical elements from Thedas, including the nature of humanity's "spirits" and the Fade's spirits/demons. I don't think it's that simple in Thedas.

[Lulupab]

If a world has the undead aka magic in it, then resurrection is also a possibility. The codex mentions that strongest of mages who are healers can bring someone back to life right after they have died describing it as "before the spirit leaves the body". That's exactly what happened with Wynne, Faith spirits are quite powerful and are on par with pride demons so they can do it.

[Fortlowe]

Wynne was not dead. She was on the magical equivalent of life support. Cole is dead. Whatever it is that calls itself Cole now? I don't know what it is.

[The Elder King]

Regardless of what Wynne and Cole are, their situations is different. Wynne is a mortal resurrected/kept alive by Faith. Cole is Fade entity who in some way took the appareance of a mage boy that died in the White spire. His body isn't the boy's body, since the latter was burnt by the templars.

[Defne]

Is not sure, only guess.

[The Elder King]

Is not sure, only guess.

Tare you referring to my post?