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[Natarsi]

Interesting aspects. I admit I'm not sure I want to know what Cole is exactly. On one hand it would be interesting... on the other hand I'm not sure I want to know the answer. ^^°

 

I am curious about a possible taint however and if it's a human/spirit merge that created the 'current' Cole. Cole must at least be to some degree be human or at least have the memories of the human who died in the Sprite. Otherwise, how would the fade be able to create that one situation with his sis from 'his' memories?

 

 

When in one of the trailers (I think the enemies one) a voice side something like 'You were a mistake that should have never been born', I was wondering if perhaps there might be another trip into Cole's memories with his family. In the next moment I felt that if any of my companions ever said something like that to Cole with me present, THAT would be a 90 % instant-kick reason from the party -.-

I guess it's unlikely that that sentence was directed at Cole and more likely directed at the Inquisitor, but hey... Possibilities :3

 

 

On an entirely unrelated side note:

@The Elder King: is that avatar of yours the MC from the announced Persona 5? :3

[Lulupab]

The Official DA:I site says Cole is a spirit, just read the description on the character page. But we don't know which type of spirit he is.

[Defne]

Interview says more http://www.dragonage...er-profile-cole

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah the whole "he's as darkside as vader but would rather be a spirit" garbage from Weekes.

 

I recall it.

[BloodKaiden]

Yeah the whole "he's as darkside as vader but would rather be a spirit" garbage from Weekes.

I recall it.

Do you not like Cole because he may be a demon/spirit or because what happened to the Seeker? From most of your post I would assume you would give Cole a chance since he is all about helping people but still remain weary of him. Simply curious, I find him unique and a mystery but haven't finished Asunder yet.

[raging_monkey]

Do you not like Cole because he may be a demon/spirit or because what happened to the Seeker? From most of your post I would assume you would give Cole a chance since he is all about helping people but still remain weary of him. Simply curious, I find him unique and a mystery but haven't finished Asunder yet.

finish its a good read and helps understand him to some extent

[BloodKaiden]

finish its a good read and helps understand him to some extent

Yeah, only got five more chapters to go and I've loved it so far. Evangeline is in my top 5 favorite Templars.

[raging_monkey]

Yeah, only got five more chapters to go and I've loved it so far. Evangeline is in my top 5 favorite Templars.

she gets better

[Fortlowe]

Interesting aspects. I admit I'm not sure I want to know what Cole is exactly. On one hand it would be interesting... on the other hand I'm not sure I want to know the answer. ^^°

I am curious about a possible taint however and if it's a human/spirit merge that created the 'current' Cole. Cole must at least be to some degree be human or at least have the memories of the human who died in the Sprite. Otherwise, how would the fade be able to create that one situation with his sis from 'his' memories?


When in one of the trailers (I think the enemies one) a voice side something like 'You were a mistake that should have never been born', I was wondering if perhaps there might be another trip into Cole's memories with his family. In the next moment I felt that if any of my companions ever said something like that to Cole with me present, THAT would be a 90 % instant-kick reason from the party -.-
I guess it's unlikely that that sentence was directed at Cole and more likely directed at the Inquisitor, but hey... Possibilities :3


On an entirely unrelated side note:
@The Elder King: is that avatar of yours the MC from the announced Persona 5? :3

I think if anyone in my party calls Cole on the fact that it is wallowing in the pain of a dead child to affect its own existence and using that same pain to illicit unearned sympathy would not be so far from left field as to be unreasonable. Why kick them out of the party for pointing out the obvious?

[Defne]

Always presumptions.

[Master Warder Z_]

Do you not like Cole because he may be a demon/spirit or because what happened to the Seeker? From most of your post I would assume you would give Cole a chance since he is all about helping people but still remain weary of him. Simply curious, I find him unique and a mystery but haven't finished Asunder yet.

 

I don't trust entities from the fade period.

 

The fact he is a serial killer demon doesn't help his case.

 

Him trying to murder Lambert really doesn't have much to do with my distaste.

[BloodKaiden]

I don't trust entities from the fade period.

Not even the benevolent spirits of the Fade? What were your thoughts of Wynne and Justice in the regard to having/being good spirits? I find the perspective of you can't be an abomination if you have humanity quite compelling so I'm still on the fence about Cole at this point.

[Master Warder Z_]

Not even the benevolent spirits of the Fade? What were your thoughts of Wynne and Justice in the regard to having/being good spirits? I find the perspective of you can't be an abomination if you have humanity quite compelling so I'm still on the fence about Cole at this point.

 

There are no "benevolent" spirits.

 

Honestly that was about the only thing a dalish ever said that i agreed with, and its sound advice, pity they themselves don't adhere to it.

 

There are spirits that are less likely to try to possess and kill you, but that doesn't make them "good".

 

Ultimately i find it futile to apply a moral spectrum to creatures that exist outside of it, Demons ultimately only follow their baliwick, morality means less then nothing to them, so it shouldn't be applied to them.

[Lulupab]

Even if they are not benevolent, they are in a way none-Malevolent. 99% of spirits ignore mortals anyway so its hard to say really. How many demons we have seen, how many spirits we have seen? It speaks volumes.

Spirit are like blue Lyrium, can be dangerous can be useful depending on may things.

Demons are like red Lyrium, disaster always follows.

[Hellion Rex]

There are no "benevolent" spirits.

 

Honestly that was about the only thing a dalish ever said that i agreed with, and its sound advice, pity they themselves don't adhere to it.

 

There are spirits that are less likely to try to possess and kill you, but that doesn't make them "good".

 

Ultimately i find it futile to apply a moral spectrum to creatures that exist outside of it, Demons ultimately only follow their baliwick, morality means less then nothing to them, so it shouldn't be applied to them.

I agree with this one statement of Z's. Good and evil is a wholly mortal design. Demons and spirits don't even operate under such constraints. Just because a Spirit embodies a "virtue" doesn't make it good. Heck, a virtue like Mercy could easily be twisted around. All spirits ("demonic" or "virtuous") are extremely dangerous. Period.

[BloodKaiden]

There are no "benevolent" spirits.
 
Honestly that was about the only thing a dalish ever said that i agreed with, and its sound advice, pity they themselves don't adhere to it.
 
There are spirits that are less likely to try to possess and kill you, but that doesn't make them "good".
 
Ultimately i find it futile to apply a moral spectrum to creatures that exist outside of it, Demons ultimately only follow their baliwick, morality means less then nothing to them, so it shouldn't be applied to them.

Hmm, interesting outlook. I dont know, I believe there are good spirits. The one Wynne had was good. But spirits take on the virtues of human emotion so it depends on the spirit I suppose. I don't like grouping together spirits and demons because from what evidence I've seen the two are different. Just in the fact that I will always see demons as evil but spirits as debatable. Like ethically I can't call Justice evil. I hope Solas can bring more insight into the Fade as he seems more educated over it than the Chantry imo. And Cole...well I don't have enough info on him yet.

[BloodKaiden]

I agree with this one statement of Z's. Good and evil is a wholly mortal design. Demons and spirits don't even operate under such constraints. Just because a Spirit embodies a "virtue" doesn't make it good. Heck, a virtue like Mercy could easily be twisted around. All spirits ("demonic" or "virtuous") are extremely dangerous. Period.

Yeah, I'm not saying they aren't dangerous. Good and evil can both be dangerous things. This applies to humans as well. I would trust a spirit more than a demon however. Hmmm, if a demon was trying to be good and fight its nature, maybe that what Cole is and is doing. Who knows at this point? It would definitely play a factor in my opinion of Cole...

[Dust]

There are no black and white certainties, there are only reflections of your inner side, and judgments should depending on actions, not labels.

 

BTW, I don't think Cole needs any noble sympathies, he is strong and fierce.

[Eveangaline]

I'm wondering what information you can get from Cole if you can get him to remember all his spirity history. Can he tell us what the fade is like in detail? Can he say if spirits were all created at once by the maker or if they come into existence another way? Can he take a peek into the black city for us?

[Natarsi]

I think if anyone in my party calls Cole on the fact that it is wallowing in the pain of a dead child to affect its own existence and using that same pain to illicit unearned sympathy would not be so far from left field as to be unreasonable. Why kick them out if the party for pointing out the obvious?

... I'm really sorry, but I don't understand what you've written. I think my english knowledge just left me. Could you re-word it? I feel like you made an interesting point, but somehow the whole/exact meaning escapes me at the moment. (English isn't my native language, sry).

[Fortlowe]

... I'm really sorry, but I don't understand what you've written. I think my english knowledge just left me. Could you re-word it? I feel like you made an interesting point, but somehow the whole/exact meaning escapes me at the moment. (English isn't my native language, sry).

The word "if" In that statement should have been "of". I don't know if that clarifies things. Anyways, the point was that "Cole" that is featured in the game and in 'Asunder' is not Cole. Cole was a naturally born child that died. Cole is no more. The creature that has commandeered Cole's identity IS unnatural, as naturally it would not be on the mortal side of the Fade. All of the other rather dubious behaviors it exhibited in 'Asunder', notwithstanding, Cole is an unnatural occurance that exists on the mortal plain solely due to the suffering of a dying child. So whoever pointed that out in the quote you posted is not incorrect. Kicking that person out of the party for speaking that truth seems short sighted, but of course to each their own.

[Natarsi]

@Fortlowe: I definitly understand your point more now.

To me 'Cole' is 'Cole'. He believes himself to be Cole, he has memories of 'Cole', he partly 'is' Cole.

And even if it turns out that he isn't the Cole that died there and the current 'Cole' is just a messy merge of a spirit with what somehow remained of the 'real Cole', I still admit I get instantly aggro when someone (no matter who) considers himself or herself entitelt to judge wether or not someone should have been born.

(I'd get a similar reaction if someone told that e.g. to Dorian, because for example of his sexual preferences - which I doubt due to the setting of tha DA world. But I unfortunately had an aquaintance who was told pretty much that line as he was kicked out by his parents and as such, I'm rather touchy when it comes to stuff like that > )

 

Cole's existance and being might be weird, but personally, I find it intriguing. And it's obvious that he 'feels' and that he can learn some sort of moral understanding. I'm not sure where in the time-line DA:I is located after Asunder, but I believe Rhys and Eve will have done a good job 'raising' Cole, no matter what he is.

I'd rather say Cole's existence is 'special' at this point. It will be left to see how he develops and if we get to find out more about him along with him himself.

 

At this point I only know the 'Cole' from Asunder and have to admit, that I'm on Rhys' side when it comes to him.

[themageguy]

Im very interested in what it means to be a herald of andraste.

[Dust]

@Fortlowe: I definitly understand your point more now.

To me 'Cole' is 'Cole'. He believes himself to be Cole, he has memories of 'Cole', he partly 'is' Cole.

And even if it turns out that he isn't the Cole that died there and the current 'Cole' is just a messy merge of a spirit with what somehow remained of the 'real Cole', I still admit I get instantly aggro when someone (no matter who) considers himself or herself entitelt to judge wether or not someone should have been born.

(I'd get a similar reaction if someone told that e.g. to Dorian, because for example of his sexual preferences - which I doubt due to the setting of tha DA world. But I unfortunately had an aquaintance who was told pretty much that line as he was kicked out by his parents and as such, I'm rather touchy when it comes to stuff like that > )

 

Cole's existance and being might be weird, but personally, I find it intriguing. And it's obvious that he 'feels' and that he can learn some sort of moral understanding. I'm not sure where in the time-line DA:I is located after Asunder, but I believe Rhys and Eve will have done a good job 'raising' Cole, no matter what he is.

I'd rather say Cole's existence is 'special' at this point. It will be left to see how he develops and if we get to find out more about him along with him himself.

 

At this point I only know the 'Cole' from Asunder and have to admit, that I'm on Rhys' side when it comes to him.

 

Maker, help Cole. Wherever he is, whatever he is, I believe he means well.

I believe it. 

[Exaltation]

Please cuddling,snuggling,and hugging option with Cole. (and a kiss on the cheek)