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[SnakeCode]

I agree with Fortlowe. He's trying to change, that's... good I guess. Doesn't erase what he did in the past though. Cole is/was a habitual murderer, and for that he will need to answer.

[raging_monkey]

I agree with Fortlowe. He's trying to change, that's... good I guess. Doesn't erase what he did in the past though. Cole is/was a habitual murderer, and for that he will need to answer.

he will answer by doing good for the inquisition for eternnity no matter how much good he's done he still commited murder. Granted he was warped but still

[SnakeCode]

he will answer by doing good for the inquisition for eternnity no matter how much good he's done he still commited murder. Granted he was warped but still

I don't think he was warped. I think that was his original nature, and if anything this new, "benevolent" Cole is the warped version. And even then he's still a murderer, he slaughtered templars that weren't an immediate threat and he cut down Lambert in cold blood.

 

He hasn't actually changed all that much, the only difference between now and then are the victims of his bloodlust.

 

And we'll see how much good he'll do for the inquisition when I order him to round up Rhys and all of the other mages.

[raging_monkey]

I don't think he was warped. I think that was his original nature, and if anything this new, "benevolent" Cole is the warped version. And even then he's still a murderer, he slaughtered templars that weren't an immediate threat and he cut down Lambert in cold blood. He hasn't actually changed all that much, the only difference between now and then are the victims of his bloodlust. And we'll see how much good he'll do for the inquisition when I order him to round up Rhys and all of the other mages.

oh im not excusing his actions just idk trying to understand him half the fun in his character

[SnakeCode]

oh im not excusing his actions just idk trying to understand him half the fun in his character

It is indeed. I'm just not entirely certain on where his loyalty lies. If (and that's a BIG if) Rhys is still alive during DAI, and the Inquisitor and Rhys come into direct conflict, i'm curios to see with whom he sides.

[JasonPogo]

I agree with Fortlowe. He's trying to change, that's... good I guess. Doesn't erase what he did in the past though. Cole is/was a habitual murderer, and for that he will need to answer.

 

Yeah but in the long run was Cole so bad.  I mean he is the Dr. Kavorkian od Thedas.  The reason he knew to go to those people and the reason they could see him was they WANTED to die.

[BloodKaiden]

It is indeed. I'm just not entirely certain on where his loyalty lies. If (and that's a BIG if) Rhys is still alive during DAI, and the Inquisitor and Rhys come into direct conflict, i'm curios to see with whom he sides.

More than likely Rhys, I would imagine you would have to have some serious high approval to have him choose you.

[SnakeCode]

Yeah but in the long run was Cole so bad.  I mean he is the Dr. Kavorkian od Thedas.  The reason he knew to go to those people and the reason they could see him was they WANTED to die.

Was it ever explicitly stated that they ALL wanted to die though? Some of them were still clearly still rather young, and none of them would have been in a healthy state of mind. Deprived of light, warmth, food, drink and human contact. 

 

Cole showed throughout the book that he was just as capable of setting them free (truly helping them) using his blood magic, so why kill them? 

 

I maintain that his primary reason for murdering those people wasn't out of some twisted idea of mercy or compassion, but because of  a false sense of self-preservation. He thought he was going to disappear if he didn't end the existence of others. 

 

He was compelled to kill those people whether they wanted to die or not.  

[raging_monkey]

Was it ever explicitly stated that they ALL wanted to die though? Some of them were still clearly still rather young, and none of them would have been in a healthy state of mind. Deprived of light, warmth, food, drink and human contact.  Cole showed throughout the book that he was just as capable of setting them free (truly helping them) using his blood magic, so why kill them?  I maintain that his primary reason for murdering those people wasn't out of some twisted idea of mercy or compassion, but because of  a false sense of self-preservation. He thought he was going to disappear if he didn't end the existence of others.  He was compelled to kill those people whether they wanted to die or not.

thats probably the best trait he had in asunder; a need to kill but deluded into thinking if he doesnt he will die. Everyone wants to live.

[Dust]

I agree with Fortlowe. He's trying to change, that's... good I guess. Doesn't erase what he did in the past though. Cole is/was a habitual murderer, and for that he will need to answer.

 

Yes, he once committed murder under his selfish desire, and it is surely a mistake that needs to be rectified no matter how we understand where these obsessions coming from. As for Lambert, I imagine he survived. Even if he didn't, he deserve it, from what he did to Rhys, to Evangeline, to Wynne. He just went too far.

 

I know some part of Cole was been affected by demonic beings, but as long as he persist in fighting against it, I will trust and support him. However, I don't think bloodlust is his nature, he had a struggle when he was going to kill these three templars. 

 

"He’d never hurt a templar before. He wasn’t going to let them keep him from saving Rhys, however, and Evangeline had said they wouldn’t have much time. "

"I won’t let myself be washed away, he thought. Rhys is the only friend I have in the entire world, and I would do anything to help him. Anything. "

 

He know using his power will cause him having a serious "inner fight" with that "darkness", but he did it anyway.

 

 

It is indeed. I'm just not entirely certain on where his loyalty lies. If (and that's a BIG if) Rhys is still alive during DAI, and the Inquisitor and Rhys come into direct conflict, i'm curios to see with whom he sides.

 

It's not likely to happen but fun to imagine XD

[raging_monkey]

Yes, he once commit murder under his selfish desire, and it is surely a mistake that needs to be rectified no matter how we understand where these obsessions coming from. As for Lambert, I imagine he survived. Even if he didn't, he deserve it, from what he did to Rhys, to Evangeline, to Wynne. He just went too far.
 
I know some part of Cole was been affected by demonic beings, but as long as he persist in fighting against it, I will trust and support him. However, I don't think bloodlust is his nature, he had a struggle when he was going to kill these three templars. 
 
"He’d never hurt a templar before. He wasn’t going to let them keep him from saving Rhys, however, and Evangeline had said they wouldn’t have much time. "
"I won’t let myself be washed away, he thought. Rhys is the only friend I have in the entire world, and I would do anything to help him. Anything. "
 
He know using his power will cause him have a big "inner fight" with that "darkness", but he did it anyway.
 
 

 
It's not likely to happen but fun to imagine XD

perhaps he's coming to terms with the darkness by inquisition. Like "its apart of me i accept but doesnt control me"

[Dust]

Was it ever explicitly stated that they ALL wanted to die though? Some of them were still clearly still rather young, and none of them would have been in a healthy state of mind. Deprived of light, warmth, food, drink and human contact. 

 

Cole showed throughout the book that he was just as capable of setting them free (truly helping them) using his blood magic, so why kill them? 

 

I maintain that his primary reason for murdering those people wasn't out of some twisted idea of mercy or compassion, but because of  a false sense of self-preservation. He thought he was going to disappear if he didn't end the existence of others. 

 

He was compelled to kill those people whether they wanted to die or not.  

He didn't know that he can control his invisibility in some certain level until Pharamond's words have woken him up.

[SnakeCode]

Hmm, i'm struggling to think of how Lambert went too far. He imprisoned Rhys, who WAS the most likely suspect for all lf the murders (given that nobody knew about Cole.) Even Rhys agreed that he was the most obvious suspect. 

 

He engaged Eva in physical combat after she straight up BETRAYED the templar order, something a good templar/seeker should have done. 

 

I can't actually remember him doing anything to Wynne, be grateful if someone could refresh my memory.

 

 

He was a hardliner, sure. But he never abused his power. He only took matters into his own hands AFTER the Divine betrayed him, sending her agents to assassinate his men and help the mages escape.

[Dust]

perhaps he's coming to terms with the darkness by inquisition. Like "its apart of me i accept but doesnt control me"

 I'm not so sure he can sort it out that fast, but I hope we can help him out during his personal quest in DAI.

[raging_monkey]

Hmm, i'm struggling to think of how Lambert went too far. He imprisoned Rhys, who WAS the most likely suspect for all lf the murders (given that nobody knew about Cole.) Even Rhys agreed that he was the most obvious suspect.  He engaged Eva in physical combat after she straight up BETRAYED the templar order, something a good templar/seeker should have done.  I can't actually remember him doing anything to Wynne, be grateful if someone could refresh my memory.  He was a hardliner, sure. But he never abused his power. He only took matters into his own hands AFTER the Divine betrayed him, sending her agents to assassinate his men and help the mages escape.

aside from insulting her passive-aggro and her son. The concern lies with that he took over as knight commander, and created more mages lives difficult

[SnakeCode]

aside from insulting her passive-aggro and her son. The concern lies with that he took over as knight commander, and created more mages lives difficult

To be fair, he DID have the authority to do that, and it was probably for the best, seeing as they were plotting freedom right under the old Knight Commanders nose. In other words, he clamped down on security at a time when it really was needed.

 

• Mages plotting their escape
• A serial killer habitually murdering various mages

Sounds like he was doing the job the old KC should have been doing.

[raging_monkey]

To be fair, he DID have the authority to do that, and it was probably for the best, seeing as they were plotting freedom right under the old Knight Commanders nose. In other words, he clamped down on security at a time when it really was needed. 

• Mages plotting their escape
• A serial killer habitually murdering various mages

Sounds like he was doing the job the old KC should have been doing.

oh no i wasnt disagreeing you or lambert(check sig) if anything i sympathize with him, comes from morally bankrupt state screwed by a close friend. I get it. He just followed the evidence, it just so happened rhys fit the profile

[Master Warder Z_]

Lambert is awesome, the way he manipulate the mind, if it wasn't the fact that we can read from Cole's perspective throughout the book and know it wasn't true, I would buy it..

 

Right, Ascribe Cole with virtues he doesn't possess, Lambert called a demon out being a demon.

 

Weekes can retcon whatever he wants to make it so Cole isn't a "demon" but ultimately there are three factors going here, One the usage of the litany breaking the mental domination that usually brought on by blood magic, so his whole "invisibility" ability is explained. Two that delusion of needing to kill to exist, it sounds an awful lot like a spirit draining essence away from a living person as they die! Oh no! Demons do that too! And in finality, You have something more, something compelling, something that was actually never brought up and it frustrated me to no end.

 

The whole "only those suffering can see him" BS, was actually in all likelihood his batteries running down.

 

As explained in several bits of WOT, it takes physical energy for a "spirit" to manifest itself in the waking world, unlike the fade.

 

So to me?

 

Cole until release is a demon, a serial killing demon, a demon that was protected and coddled when it would have better for every one had it been slain and set back to the fade.

[SnakeCode]

oh no i wasnt disagreeing you or lambert(check sig) if anything i sympathize with him, comes from morally bankrupt state screwed by a close friend. I get it. He just followed the evidence, it just so happened rhys fit the profile

I know you weren't, I was just trying to go into detail why I don't think he went too far. Imo, the characters in Asunder who overstep their bounds are The Divine, Fiona, Adrian and Evangeline.

 

Lambert only tosses the rulebook out of the window after he learns nobody has been following it anyway.

[Dust]

Ha, another Lambert fan seeking for revenge XDD I actually like him, if there is a thread about him, I will cheek it a lot.

Well... Cole really don't know about all his painstaking, just like Lambert really don't know the truth about Cole was never that simple.

Lambert has his obsessions as well as Cole, and that blind him, made him chosen a wrong way to deal with these mages, especially Rhys and Eve, that leads his death.

Just another sad story about wrong people meet in wrong time, no ground for blame.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ha, another Lambert fan seeking for revenge

 

No, Not Revenge.

 

Given Cole isn't possessing him and they didn't find a corpse?

 

I am pretty confident Lambert is still alive, missing but alive.

[raging_monkey]

I know you wasn't, I was just trying to go into detail why I don't think he went too far. Imo, the characters in Asunder who overstep their bounds are The Divine, Fiona, Adrian and Evangeline. Lambert only tosses the rulebook out of the window after he learns nobody has been following it anyway.

divine was a progessive that tried to do massive changes overnight thats always bad fiona well tried to be peaceful and secede, adrien my favorite redhaired character a visionary, a madwoman should should be in prison for kicking the beehive then after getting stung she deciedes to burn the hive... eva no issues with

[Dust]

Right, Ascribe Cole with virtues he doesn't possess, Lambert called a demon out being a demon.

 

Weekes can retcon whatever he wants to make it so Cole isn't a "demon" but ultimately there are three factors going here, One the usage of the litany breaking the mental domination that usually brought on by blood magic, so his whole "invisibility" ability is explained. Two that delusion of needing to kill to exist, it sounds an awful lot like a spirit draining essence away from a living person as they die! Oh no! Demons do that too! And in finality, You have something more, something compelling, something that was actually never brought up and it frustrated me to no end.

 

The whole "only those suffering can see him" BS, was actually in all likelihood his batteries running down.

 

As explained in several bits of WOT, it takes physical energy for a "spirit" to manifest itself in the waking world, unlike the fade.

 

So to me?

 

Cole until release is a demon, a serial killing demon, a demon that was protected and coddled when it would have better for every one had it been slain and set back to the fade.

 

I get it, lets just hope that he wasn't so dead, he is a great warrior.

[SnakeCode]

divine was a progessive that tried to do massive changes overnight thats always bad fiona well tried to be peaceful and secede, adrien my favorite redhaired character a visionary, a madwoman should should be in prison for kicking the beehive then after getting stung she deciedes to burn the hive... eva no issues with

The Divine tried to undermine Lambert's, the Seeker's, and the Templar order's power by secretly giving the green light for experiments to try and reverse the right of tranquility. She also covertly tried to help the mages escape and sent her own agents to kill Lambert's men.

 

Fiona hijacked a meeting that was supposed to be about discussing the RoT and tried to get the circle to break free of the chantry. She is the cause of all of the bloodshed that follows.

 

Adrian is the worst of them all. Murdering Pharamond and framing Rhys to try and force his decision to fight the templars and start a war for mage freedom (she succeeds in doing so.)

 

Evangeline turns her back on her order because she has a crush on a mage. She turns her blade on her own brethren and takes up the fight for mage freedom.

[raging_monkey]

The Divine tried to undermine Lambert's, the Seeker's, and the Templar order's power by secretly giving the green light for experiments to try and reverse the right of tranquility. She also covertly tried to help the mages escape and sent her own agents to kill Lambert's men. Fiona hijacked a meeting that was supposed to be about discussing the RoT and tried to get the circle to break free of the chantry. She is the cause of all of the bloodshed that follows. Adrian is the worst of them all. Murdering Pharamond and framing Rhys to try and force his decision to fight the templars and start a war for mage freedom (she succeeds in doing so.) Evangeline turns her back on her order because she has a crush on a mage. She turns her blade on her own brethren and takes up the fight for mage freedom.

all true. But perhaps eva isnt so bad.. foolish yes but her heart was in the right place (not excusing) fiona could did her seccession(spelling?) More moderatly, divine yeah no idea on her line of thought